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Obellisk posted...

I think you need to look at anyone that expressed issue with Sultan early and ultimately backed off and didn't commit.

Iirc most everyone said they didn't see what i did in Sultan early on, but you're right that it will be good to go back and check.

I really don't remember Blade sussing anyone except me and then Sultan. I always say it's silly to try to understand why the scum team kills who they do, but in this case it's extra baffling to me.

htaeD posted...

I could see at least one scum member bussing Sultan early.
But I think we can cross that bridge when we have no other choice and not before.

There were only 5 votes on him in a 13 player game. Why do you think there was any bussing with those votes?

I don't put much faith into the wifom argument that if dumey is scum he wouldn't be so blatant about defending sinking ship Sultan.

For me it's player meta somewhat, but i don't see a scum igcd pulling that double voter gambit at end of day. I know he's all about chaos mode and it definitely can read as a distraction from sultan in retrospect, but i see a lot more town equity in that than scum.

Ben was in my neutral/ lean scum for most of day 1. I'm still not entirely sure what Kirby saw in him early on, but the way he followed Kirby felt pretty natural. Lean town on him for now.

Speaking of Kirby, i have no control over anything about him once he's summoned in. He's a free man, just like Blade suggested at eod. Obviously we're aligned, but we can disagree on reads. It's been super valuable to have a trustworthy idea partner, not gonna lie!

We originally planned to keep the tree stump thing a secret and not have to use it d1, but my work was getting much busier much faster than i had anticipated. He suggested being put in to help with end of day since if i die, he obviously can't contribute either. I can't summon him again on consecutive days is the limitation, but i can still talk to him in our chat.

PunishedBen posted...

The thing is, if he is scum then I think he also makes that unvote, since it would look terrible in his eyes for him to leave his vote on Peaf after Kirby made that announcement. That fact is null. That is why I didnt mention it and its the Unvote but no follow up vote that I focused in on. Because that makes it lean more like he knew he had to unvote Peaf but wanted to give Sultan a chance at survival too

In t3.2, we got votals where death was on me. In t3.11, Death says he won't vote me until i give flavor.

Death looks awful all around.

foolm0r0n posted...

I'd rather blame his buds for not properly taking the heat off him, and especially for not setting up alternate targets when votals were stagnating for hours. 1 townie getting confirmed shouldn't lead to your godfather getting lynched lol.

Is this not what Dumey tried to do with the Ben distraction?

I'm in the middle of cooking dinner but was relieved to see we didn't die. I know i owe you all an explanation about everything, and it will come soon. Thank you guys for trusting in Kirby.

For now, we agree that death is a baddie.

##Vote: death

Yeah it's been good to me for the last 4 years. The router is fine but nothing to write home about.

Overall it's been 100x more reliable than Comcast and I've never noticed any throttling.

Lmfao

Is this the mAdNeSs I've heard so much about?

Huh, i didn't realize that igcd had voted for Dumey, too.

Meow1000 posted...

So in about two hours comes the part where 5 people suddenly switch to MZero out of nowhere and he just dies right

This would be pretty uncool. I hope mzero is more active if he lives to day 2, sure, but lynching him today would be comparable to nl in that it wouldn't give us much to look back to. Assuming we're going to try to do that this game, anyway. I know we have a habit of being bad at that.

Meow1000 posted...

You know what's funny though.

This is the behavior Peaf correctly caught me on when I was scum in Bloodborne. He just couldn't put me away with it.

The situations are very different, if you allow yourself to be objective for even a brief moment.

htaeD posted...

Actually I think Sbell has flipped his opinion on Dumey as of this topic.

I think he acquiesced to the fact that the Dumey train wasn't really going anywhere, more than changing his mind iirc

Sorry, I'm still being a dick. The squabbling got to me a bit. I had a good chuckle, thank you.

I'm curious what Dumey thinks of the big foolmo reveal

So ask him

Yeah idk if you've had a real suspicion on anyone this game, Blade, but just because you vote the same person as someone else doesn't prevent you from all being suspicious of that someone else.

That was part 1 of sultan's test. Part 2 is ongoing.

Agreed. Its convenience is just as much of a problem as its advertising.

htaeD posted...

And I dont really see Peaf making more groundwork to return to voting Sultan afterwards.

Death. I outright said that i would consider it because i think there's still a decent chance that Sultan is scum.

Could that be me tunneling? Sure. But he and Blade have rubbed me the worst by far, no one else even comes close.

EDumey posted...

Would
Ben, Foolmo, MZero, Peaf, Wallz

I'm neutral on Fool and mzero, think wallz is probs town. I could see Ben being scum i guess.

EDumey posted...

You can tell I took a while to peck that post out because it still says 3 and a half hours even though clearly that was 20 minutes ago.

I got up in his face about it for an entire page of the first topic tho.

You didn't call him scummy over it, did you? I don't remember specifically but don't think i saw that anywhere.

htaeD posted...

I will admit I have no insight at all into how long a synagoge trip can take.

It's religious observance. Can take as long as the individual or community deem it should.

htaeD posted...

I meant before that post.

Peaf, would you have voted Blade if he left without voting?

Honestly? Almost definitely not. I thought it was a bad vote on top of the existing scummy play, but I didn't mind my vote on Sultan. At least 40% of the reason that i even voted for him was to test Sultan.

Death is weird when it comes to announcing temporary game absences. I don't think the synagogue thing means much, personally.

Going after me for having a dead vote? Wow, the same thing Blade attacked Dumey for! But since I'm the one that got up in blade's face about it, i get his attention. Lucky me today :)

Ok, i laughed

EDumey posted...

Words are fun because we can all mean different things with the same letters!

My most and least favorite things about letters tbh

You've always been one for self importance.

I can go egotistical too, and say that me directly pressuring you to do literally anything other than shit on the parade of every other voter is what caused you to finally get off your ass.

EDumey posted...

If it's a real role, then I don't consider it clever,

Wow, rude to ctes if igcd is truthful

Words, mouth, etc etc

Not sure how you get that but you can stay in your fairy land

Meow1000 posted...

You just gave a great reason why scum Peaf would be hesitant to vote me, which town Peaf hasn't been.

It wasn't hesitance. You can deny the timeline all you want, but the fact of the matter is that your vote happened after i told you to shit or get off the pot. You dawdled in here doing absolutely nothing before then. Corrik noticed it too, I'm not alone here.

Anyway, you got burned last game saying "town Peaf would do this and he isn't, therefore he's scum". You're not one to learn lessons though, i get it.

Meow1000 posted...

Though it's funny to see him lay groundwork for voting you again to keep you as a potential out.

It's not laying ground work. It's being honest about how I'm reading the game.

God forbid i give the game my reads. Foolmo must be right, it's anti town to do things like that.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I do find it interesting he is only attacking you here peaf. Not once does he mention my vote

I was just thinking the same thing.

Wouldn't it be easier to hide behind a single vote in a more active game, where there's more going on and other shiny distractions for people to focus on?
Once more i don't think you're thinking things through.

Blade, you only voted for me after i explicitly told you to do something that wasn't criticize someone's vote. You cannot deny that timeline.

Shrug. I explained it more than once.

And I'm not the only one to have voted for him, now. I think you're all just scared of being wrong about Sultan since he can be notoriously difficult to read. The man gets away with open wolfing like no one else.

If i said something objectively incorrect and voted for someone because of that, I would hope they attack my alignment or my reading comprehension (or both)

Meow1000 posted...

You voted me early in consecutive games applying far less pressure to me than you have in this one.

Can anyone in the class tell Blade what might be different about other games compared to this one?

Timeline of events.
Peaf says:
"Wow that blade guy is probably scum."
"Blade is being lazy and making bad arguments.
"Do something already, you're here but not doing anything."

Blade says:
"Peaf is subtly shading me and he hasn't voted for me yet, i will vote for him."

Someone that Peaf thinks is scum buddies with Blade seems open to voting for him but hasn't pulled the trigger. Peaf thinks, "hmmm i wonder what Sultan will do if i give him this offer."

Peaf says, "hey Sultan will you vote for the guy you say you suspect if i vote for him too?"

Sultan says "yes".

Wow what a counter vote guys!
Blade's logic is wrong, his conclusion is wrong, and the way he's arguing is wrong. He's scum.

"Lol"

Corrik7 posted...

Point is Blade is choosing to use posts he is actually making to attack supposed null read policy lynches instead of pursuing avenues of finding scum. It's lazy but gives the idea he is actively participating.

Right. That's basically what I've been getting at.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2024/06/09/ mlb-players-starting-to-fear-for-their-safety-from-gamblers/74028741007/

Mind the space.

Not directly politics related, but the legalization of sports betting is bad in my book. People suck.

For the record i don't think i read Sultan's post wrong per se, and i don't suddenly think Sultan is town just because I'm teaming up with him.

Let's kiss and make up, Sultan.

##Unvote
##Vote: Blade

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Blade is a stubborn person. Blade wants everything to go blades way. It probably makes Blade town in most cases,

However I still don't like that they are being mostly bark with no bite. Usually Blade is more aggressive.

It's interesting that blade is more so providing commentary rather than applying pressure anywhere.

This doesn't read to me like calling him out. It reads like "because of this reason he might be town, but i don't want to tie myself to that read so I'm going to backtrack a bit and call it interesting".

That's why i felt it was wishy washy, Sultan. And then Blade reacted to me "shading" him when it was anything but shade. But he totally ignored you.

EDumey posted...

I was already going to ask this as a follow-up question. Your vote is currently on Sultan. What do you feel about Sultan's post 2.26?

Wishy washy. Not great.

Sorry sbell, i didn't mean that I'm forbidding you from trying to get Dumey lynched. I'm no Ulti, i can't just will things to happen or not happen.

Just that if you go down that route, you won't be holding my hand while doing it.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I mean blades been basically adding commentary into everything going on so I wouldn't call it not reading.

My one scumspect defending another, how convenient.

Yeah he's "adding commentary" and he's "been here" but i would say he's not actually comprehending the posts being made. He's just looking for the first thing he's can "react" to.

EDumey posted...

Peaf, do you think Blade is scum, or just town barking up the wrong tree?

I called him "probably scum" towards the end of t1, no?

He only put a weak vote down after i told him to do something other than criticize the votes of others. I disagree entirely with his assertion that I've been shading him. I thought i was being pretty blatant!

Obellisk posted...

Now that i'm the generation that is supposed to house the family gatherings there are a lot more forgotten holidays.

I tell myself that i will do things more when i have kids so they can get the culture of it all, but in the back of my head I know that's not gonna be the case.

Anyway. I'm not really sure of Dumey's alignment but I'm getting fine vibes from him. I won't support you lynching him today.

Obellisk posted...

*looks at calendar*

Well shit, its Shavuot... Chag Sameach, friend.

Yeah I'm suddenly feeling a little self conscious about being at work. That's the reform movement for ya i guess

But good job, you finally took that big shit that has been sitting in you for more than a day. Glad you got it out of your system.

Meow1000 posted...

Anyhow it's Synagogue time

##Vote: Peaf

Feels like he's holding back compared to last game and that he doesn't really care who gets lynched.

Also I feel like town Peaf votes me by now with how many times he's dropped shade on me.

Tell me in fewer words that you haven't read the game, buddy.

htaeD posted...

It means that if I see a scum foolmo flip, I will finally have something to compare his townplay to.

Of course if I am forgetting a recent scum foolmo game , then egg on my face.

Oh i see. You're saying in a total b8 mafia sense, not in a this game sense. Thanks, i was super confused