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Also I should confess that I didnt find the time to even read Peafs walls all that well, which may be half of the point.

Meow1000 posted...

This argument about Red flipping on you reeks as does this train on him.

We had a major scumflip and Red changed his read based on how you interacted with Knightz. To call this out as Red "flip flopping" or "contradicting himself" is a lie.

Now he acts like I personally doubted Red's conclusions on Death - Which also isn't true. I asked Red why he was calling Death town. I accepted the reason he gave at the time.

Actually I do agree that I would have liked for Peaf to branch out more beyond Red. Though now he has given the old busy day excuse

Which I also had today, but still.

That said while I dont trust Peaf, I do appreciate his efforts more than Corriks.

TotallyNotMI posted...

A big part of me wants to stay the course on corrik but I'm feeling doubts about it.

MI you are, if nothing else, always on my wavelength somehow.

Corrik7 posted...

Ctes town.

You I don't know.

See I feel like you consistently talk around my posts. In the past that is. Yet you focus a lot on Ctes', despite already calling him town.
Part of me does think this is just you trying to teach players a lesson for after your lynch, but its still odd.

Corrik7 posted...

So then yes. You think death is simply town because ulti simply has said you are town. You have no analysis of the player slot nor intend to do any, including on Ulti, simply because Ulti has proclaimed you town.

Corrik I may have lost track of your supposed train of thought, but what do you even think of me and Ctes?

changmas posted...

stupid question but has death voted today

if not can you vote and unvote someone real quick

just to get rid of that possibility

##Vote: Ctes
##Unvote
##Vote: Corrik
##Unvote

Just a double test

PunishedBen posted...

The only, the ONLY good thing I can say about Corrik is that we know he isn't the vote blocker since Kirby roleblocked him last night. Everything else he says I have to hold myself back to not comment on.

I dont feel like Peaf or Red seem particularly worried that we would lynch them over Corrik today.

I know Peaf thinks Corrik is town. What does Red think?

If Ctes keeps his vote blocked I may think that its just an ability scum has to use once and it sticks on that player forever.

You seem awfully insistent to keep me (and Ctes) in everyone's PoE

Corrik7 posted...

Go on

Blade said the same.
But in the interest of fairness I will say I was only slightly surprised and concerned that people were calling me confirmed town as soon as day3 started.

Ulti was not the only one to call me town either, Corrik.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

That's exactly why they might do it, especially if it's a temporary measure.

But honestly, why use that ability at all at this point? That's the kind of ability you save to disguise mylo to be earlier than expected. They certainly shouldn't use early enough to help us plan and calculate for it.

Perhaps whoever did it was under heavy scrutiny day1.

Also thanks for the vote of confidence, FD <.<

PeaceFrog posted...

Sbell, Ulti claimed that ctes and death are confirmed. Not just "innocent" but confirmed.

And he's been talking about how op his role is since like, mid/late-d1.

He's at least got a 50 % success rate by now.

Ulti has been boasting about having power since day1.

He's lying as town to bait a shot, or truthful to make scum think the other way around.

Or he is just scum acting like a town Ulti does sometimes.

Well I did think Knightz was scum
But I was moreso unable to see what was so bad about MI and to a lesser extent, Wallz

ctesjbuvf posted...

I think Ulti pointing out the notation error in what was supposed to be a copy/paste of Knightz' claim has to be town. I really don't think scum Ulti would say anything there.

This on the other hand I can totally see Ulti doing.

I feel like Corrik is deliberately focusing on votes and not on what people were saying
For instance I made it clear I would not vote Wallz or MI plenty of times.

Whats the point of that post, Corrik?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Blade its ok, I can just scan Wall myself tonight after we kill Knight.

This post is TOTALLY serious and scum should roleblock + kill me asap !!!

Oh okay false alarm, Ulti's post was just a joke that I remembered wrong.
Ulti (among others) was more interested about wanting MI or Corrik scanned

Man that reminds me that Ulti said that scanners would take care of Wallz
Almost too on the nose that.

Meow1000 posted...

As far as I'm concerned roleblocks can be redirected so long as the roleblock isn't targeting the redirection themselves. That's always how I've seen it.

A priority order list really can't accommodate for that.

Thats what I thought too.

Meow1000 posted...

That post was towards Peaf wtf

Oh mine was too, the 2nd part.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Mechanically I don't think that works.

Redirection happens after roleblock, so Corrik's theoretical Roleblock would have occurred before your taunt goes into effect. So you've effectively done nothing for two nights >_>

Corriks roleblock shouldnt have gone anywhere else tho?
Not that it matters now with his claim retracted

Meow1000 posted...

Death's comment towards you struck me as salty as fuck after Knightz flipped scum, but I liked Death's day 2.

And does Death actually make comments that salty

I was pretty salty about that time you all mislynched me let me tell ya.
But that post towards you was more about my dislike for nonconstructive sermonizing.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Isoing Wallz, I don't think his interactions with Blade both at start and end of day 1 reads like scum/scum.

Same with Ben really

Meow1000 posted...

As convoluted as the claim is, Scum shouldn't have both whatever happened to Lopen and an EK on top of that.

True, but it doesnt say anything about IGCD alignment wise.

Yaknow that reminds me it may be important to check who stated that Wallz being scum did not have to be true
(even if I was one of them)
Because they knew too much and were showing it

Nice pagesnipe

Town
Blade, Ben, Chang, FD, Kirby

Townish
Sbell: Started that whole discussion about 'leaving Knightz alone since he was already dead', which does not read as scum-town

Ctes: Wallz accused him of being scummoned. Seems odd to say about a scum mate, and Wallz really wanted Ctes to show up too.
That started a whole argument which does not feel like scum-scum to me. However Ctes loses some points due to unvoting Wallz very quickly after voting him.

MI: Disliked Wallz post as well, tho he was late to the party.
MI also paired Wallz' votes with FD and promised to reread FD, but then later promised to reread Wallz again to say he likes him more than he thougt.
He also thought Wallz was a diversion from scum, tho he became the next diversion ironically. Thats the best thing going for him really.

Ulti: I cant really see a scumpartner make the 'why didnt Wallz pursue me right away' attack. That said the two seemed awfully chummy later on despite that and Ulti voted MI at the end of the day as well.

Taco/Mzero: Stayed hands off from Wall, but his taunter claim felt genuine. Mzero needs to step up however.

Already Inside the PoE:

IGCD: I really dont remember what he has going for him outside of maybe some things Knightz said.

Corrik: Has contributed little besides tunneling Blade.

Red: Has also contributed little

Peaf: The big one to me. Topic1 He only commented on Wallz to defend him from Ulti, had no comments about Ben and Blade's attacks. He also likes Wallz more than other lynch leaders halfway during day1
Peaf did not want to lynch Wallz (Or FD) but to his credit he did want to lynch Knightz. However, he put Kirby and Ben high up on his target list as well.
Later that day he defended Wall more, but Wall did not seem to even notice (unlike with Lopens defense of Wall). And he was one of the votes on MI. That said he is at least more active and has given some good insights sometimes. But I cannot say he's done enough.

Maybe the votestealing power is their other extra kill

wallmasterz posted...

Not going to include Knightz or Taco.

Town: Isquen, Peaf
Scum: Chang, Corrik

Peafs vibes are the towniest of anyones imo. I havent always agreed with his reasoning (I think he called Ulti town because of Lopen vanishing, which I disagree with) but his posts have all screamed sincerity. Isquen has regrettably little content but I highly doubt he comes in with that idgaf attitude as scum. Isquen didnt give a shit, and it was obvious.

Chang has been around but not done much. It feels like hes trying not to rock the boat until now all of a sudden taking a big stance on lynching someone other than Knightz. Even though thats ballsy as hell if scum/scum, I do think its possible. If knightz flips scum, Chang can easily go why would I stick my neck out for Knightz if Im scum too? etc.

Corrik almost never shows up for day 1. Hes popping up, calling himself confirmed and voting me without context. Obviously no one else knows Im town but looking back I think is opportunistic after early pressure on me, and not everyone who suspected me early can be scum. Corrik was late to that party but cant cite a reason for joining the mislynch train.

Hrm, would Wallz include scum in his town or scum top2?
Feels easier to just avoid naming partners alltogether. But my reread has yet to give me a reason to put Peaf or Corrik in my certaintown camp.

Its funny that Wallz called Sbell and Ulti town for the same reason: they were engaged with the game.
Tho sadly not with each other.

Also now my crackpot theory is that Ulti based this on scumboard interactions since he had not even posted yet in the topics before this post.

Wall is also scum with him btw. Soul read. Im town, so Wall not throwing shade at me immediately is

Somehow my crazy theories always involve Ulti.

Okay so now that we know you were lying, I suppose the point remains that Blade claimed to have a power that would always know when he was roleblocked due to his type of power.
But you say that could only be a few roles when I feel like that could be over half the known powers in Mafia

How is Blade lying again?

Honestly when I saw Wallz flip I was worried about Sbell first because his odd behavior around Corrik and Blade was fresh in my mind.
But a day1/2 reread might eliminate that fear based on what I see all of you saying already.

Meow1000 posted...

Death had a much stronger day 2 than he had day 1 I would agree.

Welcome to death 101

Eh feels too quick to end the day even tho that recent bit about Wallz is pretty damning.

Or where you planning to vote someone else?

As for names with role results
Some hosts tell roleblockers who they roleblocked, but I forget if Lea is such a host

Kirby321 posted...

... Is this a serious question?

Ask yourself if Blade has backed down or sheeped away from Corrik's claim. The answer is a very obvious no. Blade isn't saying that Corrik is mistaken. Blade is outright saying that he was definitively not roleblocked.

Both of them are fiercely insisting that they're telling the truth.

As would I if I had sent in a succesful action that someone claimed to have succesfully blocked.
Granted I forgot taunter was a thing

Obellisk posted...

you found the loophole to reveal lopens flip?

No
I asked since I was wondering if Wallz himself had that kind of curiosity in the first place.

Whether or not Wallz had a loophole to get flip info was a longshot I know.

Kirby321 posted...

Because maybe town Corrik isn't lying, in the same way that Insane Psychic Lopen wasn't lying about nobody visiting him and Watcher Ctes wasn't lying about targeting Lopen on that same night.

We can all agree that Corrik quadrupling down like this is absolute insanity. But Blade going just as hard is also insanity. Just like in that Dota 2 Mafia game.

When you say 'Blade is going hard'
What do you mean?

Obellisk posted...

no I know that, I'm just bothered by people asking wallz if he can backup vanished players. backup real or not, that makes no sense

I was not asking if he could technically.
I was was asking if he tried to.
I probably should have just asked him 'did you ask host if you could backup Lopen?'

I mean I think I get what you mean, but its weirdly phrased

And also interesting that Blade WAS a sidetrack for a while, and Ulti started that one.
Ctes gets points for not following it.
But Ulti absolutely sounded like Chang did for a while. Despite his whole 'his role PM was claimed wrong' evidence.

Meanwhile

Obellisk posted...

I'm not against pulling the trigger on Blade, I felt his start to day one was clear scum manipulation.

Add on the fact Lopen has vanished 24 hours after Blade attempted? to kill him...

However I think resolving knightz makes the most sense. (Taco problems aside)

Obellisk posted...

I'm not really interested in lynching anyone other than Blade today.

I think Knightz needs to be resolved somehow.

Huh, Sbell?

Mental note that Ben looks good for making a good overview of the Tacoknight clash that decidedly landed on lynching Knightz and not Taco.

Red did have the fact that Knightz inexplicably called him town.
Do we think Knightz already mastered the rule of 3?

My theory was that Corrik was just gambiting
I have no idea why Sbell believes him so much either

Red called me town <.<
Which is more than he did last game
(even if it would have been a lie back then)

Corrik7 posted...

I like blades and wallz posts more looking back at more of day 1. However, Blade's seem sneaky at times as well. First he calls itzknight a scum distraction. Then likely bad town. Then "If scum chang is scum too". It's like a spectrum and somewhat hedged.

Callng chang scum if Knightz is scum is not only a typical town thing to say, but also fair.
I will agree that I am wary of Blade's brief focus on MI near the end of day4

Isquen posted...

Maybe you shouldn't be literall her, then. I'm not speaking any more about her, or you, unless you try to be your own person and do something useful.

I have no idea what this is based on and how this is deserved.