Board 8 > Community Mafia Topic 8 - Remedial MyLo Calculus

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Is he a dead man walking? It felt to me like people are starting to be swayed by the nilla claim

MZero posted...

I meant this one. If the cop had a mason or there was a grave robber or something it could matter

Feel free to clarify with host, but I'm going by the ordered list provided.

Anyways church service is starting so I'll be out of commission for several hours

Leafeon13N posted...

Scum can give good arguments.

But if you make a good argument and someone flips scum it can be more town like rather than just a good argument.

idk, I'd be more inclined to believe a good but wrong argument came from town, cause scum would have to fabricate an argument they don't really believe and in fact know is wrong, which is harder imo

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Feel free to clarify with host, but I'm going by the ordered list provided.

I mean it doesn't matter at all in the end so I'm not going to bother Lea with it, I was just explaining my interpretation to help explain my choice to target Corrik

TotallyNotMI posted...

Is he a dead man walking? It felt to me like people are starting to be swayed by the nilla claim

Corrik spent a day and a half calling me scum and/or a liar then revealed his entire foundation on me was a lie.

Somehow the vanilla claim actually does give me slight paranoia, but he has been actively doing his best to derail the game. The fact that he also maintained this lie through the revelation that Wall was blocked sending the kill and continued trying to kill me over Wall effectively proves that Corrik is either scum or isn't playing to win.

As the person that made priority list in Tekken, it was specifically to have an answer to what happens if redirector and roleblocker targeted each other. I also think it was made that order simply because I wanted to buff the scumteam that had the blocker.

It's just to say I get MZero and I would probbaly think taunting could work on roleblocker too.

As far as I'm concerned roleblocks can be redirected so long as the roleblock isn't targeting the redirection themselves. That's always how I've seen it.

A priority order list really can't accommodate for that.

Meow1000 posted...

As far as I'm concerned roleblocks can be redirected so long as the roleblock isn't targeting the redirection themselves. That's always how I've seen it.

A priority order list really can't accommodate for that.

Thats what I thought too.

Meow1000 posted...

As far as I'm concerned roleblocks can be redirected so long as the roleblock isn't targeting the redirection themselves. That's always how I've seen it.

A priority order list really can't accommodate for that.

I would be pretty annoyed if I saw that priority list only for my Roleblock to get redirected.

Also in this specific case the redirection is TO the person doing the redirection, which would cause them to be roleblocked which would paradoxically prevent the redirection.

Anyways I'm not saying it's problematic that MZero didn't know, just that he should keep the priority list in mind when deciding who to target from now on.

Meow1000 posted...

A scumteam that has Blade and Corrik alive going for a Hail Mary on day 2 is super lol though.

What if that scum team had one of their players disappear half way through day one and their most powerful role was given to a 13 year old rookie that got absolutely decimated and their night kill was stopped night 1 resulting in their 3rd member being heavily favored for the lynch? Huh, did you ever think about that?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

What if that scum team had one of their players disappear half way through day one and their most powerful role was given to a 13 year old rookie that got absolutely decimated and their night kill was stopped night 1 resulting in their 3rd member being heavily favored for the lynch? Huh, did you ever think about that?

You got it we janitored Lopen day 1 hoping to stop him from sabotaging our team but we chose the wrong guy

Meow1000 posted...

Yeah JC wasn't a "premediated bus" at all, JC was the scumteam knowing bro was going to DIE.

Lol yea that shit was god damn brutal.

Meow1000 posted...

Corrik spent a day and a half calling me scum and/or a liar then revealed his entire foundation on me was a lie.

Somehow the vanilla claim actually does give me slight paranoia, but he has been actively doing his best to derail the game. The fact that he also maintained this lie through the revelation that Wall was blocked sending the kill and continued trying to kill me over Wall effectively proves that Corrik is either scum or isn't playing to win.

Still factually incorrect.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

What if that scum team had one of their players disappear half way through day one and their most powerful role was given to a 13 year old rookie that got absolutely decimated and their night kill was stopped night 1 resulting in their 3rd member being heavily favored for the lynch? Huh, did you ever think about that?

you think town can vanish a scum in addition to your vig shot?

Meow1000 posted...

You got it we janitored Lopen day 1 hoping to stop him from sabotaging our team but we chose the wrong guy

I fucking knew it!

MZero posted...

you think town can vanish a scum in addition to your vig shot?

Not really.

I was referring to wallz in that premeditated bus comment.

Anyway since no one is really interested in the game that i suggested, i just want everyone to consider that even if corrik is scum there are probably at least two others. Don't be complacent in "yep he's today's lynch don't look beyond that". Lynch one at a time but keep your eyes open and all.

I'd still be focused on red tomorrow I think

PeaceFrog posted...

I was referring to wallz in that premeditated bus comment.

Anyway since no one is really interested in the game that i suggested, i just want everyone to consider that even if corrik is scum there are probably at least two others. Don't be complacent in "yep he's today's lynch don't look beyond that". Lynch one at a time but keep your eyes open and all.

The situation with Wallz on day 4 in that game isn't remotely comparable to anything that's happened in this game so far.

We were at lylo on that day 4. Wallz had narrowly escaped lynch on all 3 days and was on a claim that got completely busted because MZero vigged his neighborizer target completely at random on day 2.

Meow1000 posted...

We were at lylo on that day 4. Wallz had narrowly escaped lynch on all 3 days and was on a claim that got completely busted because MZero vigged his neighborizer target completely at random on day 2.

Are you telling me that SBell shot was actually pro-town in a roundabout way

MZero posted...

Are you telling me that SBell shot was actually pro-town in a roundabout way

Town kiilling itself is why we had lylo that soon so

Saw someone say there was nothing to town clear IGCD except for his vig claim. I would argue this is pretty big - On Day 1

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Just add to this, I am balancing a game with knightz and he will not get discord and has been asking if scum teams can be on free forums so unless something has changed knightz is not getting help from a scum team.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I'm definitely not saying he can't be scum lol, just that if he is, he isn't getting help unless free forums etc.

@ItzKnightz have you made a discord account recently?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

It's definitely out of game information but I really don't believe it is rule breaking.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I know and it just nags in the back of my head that he was adamant about not being on discord so unless Lea is specifically catering to him he likely isn't scum.

Dont see IGCD arguing from this angle if he's teamed with Knightz.

PunishedBen posted...

Saw someone say there was nothing to town clear IGCD except for his vig claim.

Really?

I said his vig claim was specifically not why he was being town cleared.

UltimaterializerX posted...

And I knew you were just buddying me all game, too. I love you, truly, but without Blade that game was a stomp.

And this is why

lol scum Blade firing a kill night 1

UltimaterializerX posted...

And I knew you were just buddying me all game, too. I love you, truly, but without Blade that game was a stomp.

Oh probably, but I am also just generally a pretty friendly person with the odd jabs thrown in lol

That doesnt really make sense, you send kill based more on roles than on players. If Wallz sent in the kill, that looks like a bad move with how he looked after d1. I'm saying that without knowing the setup, but if Blade is on that team it would be smarter.

Anyway, I tried to look over Isquen's posts and I was not able to find anything resembles a hint of power. If anyone is bored I suppose there is a game in figuring who thinks that's a good shot.

ctesjbuvf posted...

That doesnt really make sense, you send kill based more on roles than on players. If Wallz sent in the kill, that looks like a bad move with how he looked after d1. I'm saying that without knowing the setup, but if Blade is on that team it would be smarter.

Anyway, I tried to look over Isquen's posts and I was not able to find anything resembles a hint of power. If anyone is bored I suppose there is a game in figuring who thinks that's a good shot.

If I don't have to be sending the kill I don't send the kill. I'm too important. The Bloodborne scumteam gets completely massacred without me.

But anyway, Wallz' flip makes it clear he was trying to be tracked or watched sending the kill.

Honestly I don't think people are appreciating how strong Wallz role really was. A successful use of that role can destabilize the entire town.

Man that reminds me that Ulti said that scanners would take care of Wallz
Almost too on the nose that.

htaeD posted...

Man that reminds me that Ulti said that scanners would take care of Wallz
Almost too on the nose that.

IGCD in Bloodborne basically told the town he knew exactly what Wallz role did the moment he claimed it and somehow lived doing it

htaeD posted...

Man that reminds me that Ulti said that scanners would take care of Wallz
Almost too on the nose that.

Actually when/where did this happen

PeaceFrog posted...

I thought the same.

Peaf if you are town you are being awful.

Yeah, I've said as much.

But why call me out for that assessment, when Blade and mzero (who are objectively better players) said the same?

Sure but scum actually has a very high win rate here.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Sure but scum actually has a very high win rate here.

How is this in any way related to anything else on this page

UltimaterializerX posted...

Blade its ok, I can just scan Wall myself tonight after we kill Knight.

This post is TOTALLY serious and scum should roleblock + kill me asap !!!

Oh okay false alarm, Ulti's post was just a joke that I remembered wrong.
Ulti (among others) was more interested about wanting MI or Corrik scanned

PeaceFrog posted...

Yeah, I've said as much.

But why call me out for that assessment, when Blade and mzero (who are objectively better players) said the same?

Because you've been consistently bad and for them this is dumb but a one-off.

Like "read for the sake of a read" is fucking stupid talk.

How dare i post a read.

Votals
[4] Corrik - Ulti, Kirby, (IGCD), MI, IGCD

Meow1000 posted...

How is this in any way related to anything else on this page

It was in response to you saying how important you would be to a scumteam.

Meow1000 posted...

But anyway, Wallz' flip makes it clear he was trying to be tracked or watched sending the kill.

Does it? That's not how doppelganger reads to be at all.

For one we don't know which kind of Frame he was trying to use. If it was the guilty scan one then wallz would still be seen visiting the corpse. If it was the other one then he would only be seen visiting the person he framed and THEY would be seen visiting the corpse.

Of course this assumes wallz was actually sending in the kill on top of using a Frame action. It seems highly likely that he was, but there's a small chance that a kill sent by someone the could have been stopped some other way.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Does it? That's not how doppelganger reads to be at all.

For one we don't know which kind of Frame he was trying to use. If it was the guilty scan one then wallz would still be seen visiting the corpse. If it was the other one then he would only be seen visiting the person he framed and THEY would be seen visiting the corpse.

Of course this assumes wallz was actually sending in the kill on top of using a Frame action. It seems highly likely that he was, but there's a small chance that a kill sent by someone the could have been stopped some other way.

Do you have eyes and are you capable of making rational deductions?

You may attempt to target a player. If successful, they will be seen performing your night kill that night by any investigative roles.

Wall almost certainly attempted to target two people last night: The nightkill, and the player he attempted to frame for it.

There's no other reason for Wall to send the kill.

PeaceFrog posted...

I was referring to wallz in that premeditated bus comment.

Anyway since no one is really interested in the game that i suggested, i just want everyone to consider that even if corrik is scum there are probably at least two others. Don't be complacent in "yep he's today's lynch don't look beyond that". Lynch one at a time but keep your eyes open and all.

Giving reads on more than just the presumptive lynch? Uh-oh. If my experience is typical you are going to have an angry mob after you soon.

All jokes aside, obviously I agree. I can see the logic behind Corrik flipping either alignment, but even if I can't think of a better lynch today, we should keep hunting.

You'd be really dumb to stall this day out on a single lynch.

##vote: Peaf

does anyone want to give me the bullet points from the last 24 hours? I don't have the brain power to read this topic.

Meow1000 posted...

You may attempt to target a player. If successful, they will be seen performing your night kill that night by any investigative roles.

Can't this also be referring to the factional night kill?
And again he night not have even been using that Frame so you're assuming it was that one.

All we really know is he was blocked, whatever he was done.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Can't this also be referring to the factional night kill?
And again he night not have even been using that Frame so you're assuming it was that one.

All we really know is he was blocked, whatever he was done.

The word "your" implies to me that Wall himself had to send the nightkill in order for his power to activate. If the word was "the" it would imply it referred to anyone sending the kill.

The way it looks to me is that Wall would be seen as targeting whoever he framed, and whoever he framed would be seen as targeting the kill. So, I do believe that Kirby blocked Wall sending the kill and that Wall sent it trying to frame someone else.