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I'll try and post Ruin tomorrow. 12 hours or so.

@eaedwards6400 - your items?
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Alright we gotta get three shows done by next Saturday night.

Tom, you're up.
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I have no objections to eddv defending the tag titles against Mercs United if he can find a partner.

My honest view is that eddv being added to the Maniac/eaed match is messy and not at all neat booking.
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Losing track of the Mania card. What is it?

Dp/Raven
Who's in MitB? David, Apollo, etc?
Eaed vs Maniac unification
Solio 6-pack
WotR vs EoS
And more?
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OK so Maniac/eaed will respond to eddv's proposal

Or eddv will select a new tag partner

On RUIN!

Who wants to post it?
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XIII_rocks posted...

OK so here's what we're doing with the tag titles

@BrokenRaven must agree to give up his half of the titles to the partner of eddv's choosing that isn't booked at Mania, or they will be stripped of the titles and a tag title match will be held at Mania for the vacant championship.

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So tonight on Ruin it will be NLK vs. Eddv/Raven for the tag titles
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I don't have one - the template is on a laptop which is in a different continent.

I can ease up on the formatting just this once though.
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For the record the tag champs are still eddv and Raven.

Someone will need to post Ruin tonight. They'll defend the tag titles on that show if two people can be bothered to make a team for themselves.

Because at Epopmania, Stifled and Shad will come after WotR in some pathetic attempt at revenge after I destroyed them from within.

Mania will also have the traditional LW title six-pack challenge!

Dp/Raven
Eaed/Maniac for the MELEE title/IM unification
MitB (Wigs, Stevie and CPU all qualified)
LW title six-pack challenge
WotR/EoS
Tag titles

A bunch of other matches I'm sure because people would obviously want to be on the Mania card
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btw if you have a mania plan pm me so I can book towards it
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Wigs, Stevie and CPU all in MitB. That lineup will be completed on Ruin tonight!
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Thanks Tom
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That sounds like a plan
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Good man thanks
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Nvm computer decided to start typing in Arabic for no reason. I've PM'd half the card to Tom, and he's free to complete it or pass it off to someone else.
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عا صاشف فاث اثمم هس فاهسز
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Unification opens up a huge can of worms and would make the title reigns sheet a bit more difficult, that's basically why I want to just drop a title rather than merge them this time.

Anyway, might have Ruin up in a few minutes.
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Alright let's tentatively book that then. eaed and Maniac to either unify the titles or get rid of IM. (I'm torn as to which I prefer)
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Results would also be handy

God I hate not having a laptop

Worst comes to worst I can maybe do something in about 8 hours when I'm at work
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I'm also tempted to say that the IM title will be retired at Mania but that the IM Champ will face the MELEE champ at Mania (which would coincidentally give us eaed vs. Maniac, since I'm pretty sure eaed beat Wigs.

That or we create like the Inter MELEE Championship so you keep both lineages.
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Who wants to post Ruin
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Been thinking of dropping IM for a while actually or unifying it with MELEE MAYHEM at least.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

I just have always perceived you as someone with a very different approach to it than I have, and I don't think I'm wrong about that and I don't mean it as some sort of condescending value judgment. I let stuff happen. You like to steer towards interesting stuff. That's always been a difference between us, and one that we had been able to work through in the past without real issue.

Your approach did better for UCA when you first took over than mine did, but I felt (and still do) that if you're going that far towards the controlling end of the spectrum that maybe you'd be happier in a setting where you wouldn't have as many obstacles between you and your plans. That's all I was trying to say with the TEW bit. You have cool plans, but get frustrated when they are foiled, and there are other creative wrestling-related outlets where that is not nearly as much of an issue as it is here.

Yes we do see things differently and I see the validity of your approach.

But the idea that I hadn't at some point considered TEW or whatever annoys me. There are over 500 UCA matches a year and I felt it necessary to control the outcome of, um, one? I think? That's what my problem here is. You see my need to guide a couple of things as a need to guide everything and wildly inflate that tendency - especially now - to the point you seem to think I'm some kind of control freak where every aspect of it is under my control and there's no creativity from anyone else. Where we don't have someone completely organically coming up with a time travel gimmick or an 80s gimmick or a feud with a Bear oe a Sheik gimmick or a GTM gimmick. Where those characters aren't extensively developed over several months.

And you make the mistake of thinking it's all my script and only that script matters. You think if Maniac came to me with some Mania idea or eddv did or you did, I would reject it in favour of my own? I might create a hypothetical Mania card but whatever idea I have will always be just a suggestion because it's that person's angle. If they go against my thoughts then they're free to pursue an alternative. Just let me know what it is so I can book towards it. Pre-Rumble I only had two possible matches for Mania in my head, one of which was the unavoidable main event and the other of which was my own, and they were on the verge of clashing with each other.

That's the issue. Completely lacking in any complexity - "you're different to me so you must be the exact opposite extreme."
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I really wanted to get the fun vs the broken angle going but Maniac and I would never get booked together.

And this is another thing that bothers me. Who against? What's the angle? What exactly do you want? And do I prioritise your team, or Maniac's MELEE thing/whatever angle you're running?

I apologise if you didn't get booked enough as a team because that is on me, but I don't know what's in your head. I need specifics. Gravy did this once too - complained about not being booked in this match or that match but he didn't make any clear inclinations that he wanted it. Challenge people to matches. Create content for me beyond promos. I'd love it if Ruin had no "random" matches and that they all flowed logically from the week before or the show before but that's really only possible the first show after a PPV.

I'm just saying these complaints go both ways. It's what I was talking about with aimless promos kinda. Like look WWE might not have good writing but at least when they have an opening promo to start Raw, there's some kind of development - a PPV match is changed or the main event of the night is made. Give me something clear to go on is what I'm saying. Otherwise I'll pretty much just book what's in front of me.

Also there's a PM system if you can't find a way to make your request work in kayfabe. Literally ask me for a match on Ruin and I'll probably put it in, unless it severely conflicts with like BFW or something. That's been missing for a while - people create textual content but more often than not it lacks any kind of a knock-on effect. Maniac's MELEE counter has been excellent in this regard.

I just feel like the attitude for a while now has been "we'll promo and you handle the bottom line" and yeah bottom line is my job, but in a project that involves creativity, it's not exactly ideal because I don't live inside your head.
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And anyway the key point you're missing here is that I backed down and let the people have their dumb result at the cost of those precious italics and my Mania angle.

I had to really consider whether I had changed because you boiled it down so simply to "you're rigging a match to win the tag titles". But the circumstances are different. And there's also stuff like how much I hated the rallying (until I got impatient) whereas back then I saw no problem with it at all. So I feel like I have quite a bit. You ignorantly saying I'm still the same guy as in 2012 really rubbed me the wrong way too, and then there was that TEW garbage
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Tom I've won the tag titles 10 f***ing times and overtaken Boko. I'm not motivated by seeing the f***ing italics next to my name anymore. The fact that you think I am is the whole problem.

Absolutely zero chance of an apology for your flagrant, offensive ignorance which only made things worse then? Fair enough, that's your call, but I did expect better. Disagree with what I did all you want but the ignorance in presuming you know me and "what I would prefer" when my tenure as admin here far outstrips yours was honestly surprisingly condescending and I'm even more surprised you haven't considered that and instead gone on the attack.
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So it wasn't merely self-interest. It was "hey here's a cool Mania match and it makes no sense for Raven to keep the titles anyway". But hey if Tom wants to think that this is absolutely identical to the purely self-interested plundering that was WotR's 2012 reign then here. We disqualified ourselves. The userbase and their idiotic decision wins. Your little f***ing "I think he'd be better off with TEW at this point" post was so offensive to me you have no idea. I played that game and found it boring. It was beyond patronising to suggest that maybe TEW would be better because I didn't want Raven to be challenging for the Heavyweight Title while still defending as tag champ. It's f***ing ugly booking by any measure. That does not mean I need to control every aspect of the card. There is a difference between those two things and you utterly failed to thoughtfully consider any shades of grey there. I make f***ing suggestions and requests. People have always been free to nix an idea I have.

And I'm sorry, I know you aren't idiots, but that doesn't mean you're incapable of making idiotic decisions and voting eddv/Raven was one of those. I'm looking at @Apollo_Phoenix, @Strife2, even @Maniac64 here for making a decision I find almost unjustifiable. I'll excuse eaed and Sultan because of the obvious reasons. And Strife actually spending literal - literal - years b****ing about Tom winning the title from Korayashi on a random Combat and then being in favour of such awful booking was exceptionally rich.

Finally I'm generally unhappy with a lethargic userbase that never sets up non-title feuds, never goes after the IM title, rarely goes after the MELEE, and isn't forming new tag-teams (if these things have happened this year it is far far too rare so don't come at me with minute specific examples). I'm forcing it too much and for too long too much of the userbase has been content to let that happen. When I do see promos I find them aimless - what is your bottom line? Who are you feuding with? What's your endgame here? Is there one? Or is it to just cut another worked shoot because you're so cool, Sultan (for example)?

The one I blame here most of all is firstly myself for thinking my 2015 resignation was a good idea, for thinking @Solioxrz362, or anyone could succeed me. I knew after Epop 7 if was time to go. I knew eventually I'd grow to see UCA as a weekly chore rather than an enjoyable pasttime and I wanted to leave my responsibilities while still really liking the time I spent as boss. But I couldn't. I made myself too open to Solio, I was too weak to tell him "no, you committed to this - finish the job" and took back power when he buckled. And now we're at that exact point I didn't want to get to where I resent UCA, resent another Epopmania, and resent the users themselves.

I'd quit but I am terrified the edwards brothers would take over and while eddv would do a decent enough job but would eventually alienate everyone even more than I have, the other two would run it into the ground so deep that its remains would melt in the earth's fiery core. Solio was the only true successor and he let me down.

Tl;Dr- I care way too much about UCA, to the point that last year before Mania I got 1 hour of sleep before work and fell asleep because of it, went into work this past weekend just to get Rumble stuff because my laptop is broken, and to the point that I delayed a holiday to Thailand so I could run the Rumble last year. It's a responsibility I now resent, rather than relish.

Tl;Dr of the tl;dr: I won the title by tricking you all into believing I was Rad Link 5, suck it people who were legitimate worked by that awesome s***.
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A thought irritated me about that whole WotR fiasco though and I feel the need to make something absolutely abundantly clear in case there was any doubt whatsoever.

Then this post turned into a rather long rant about things which I might regret but oh well.

@eaedwards6400 's utterly pathetic attempt at detective work after the match was demonstrably not the reason why I backed down. That's the first thing I want to say. His rabid posting of screenshots like this was an Ace Attorney game and he'd caught me in a contradiction were actually hilarious. I wonder now if the f***ing cornered theme was playing in the background as he posted them. At least in his head, anyway. I openly and brazenly rallied and cheated in that match and you posting the screenshots by dramatically revealing your Discord account which you still have (oh s***!) means nothing.

I just don't want you walking away from this with some kind of sense of self-satisfaction as if you, you, had any control over decisions I have made. So now that's clear, let's move on to reality.

Two things led to me backing down and disqualifying WotR. One of them was @Tom_Bombadil. I was irritated by his very, very ignorant suggestion that I haven't changed in four years. WotR's record reign in 2012 was founded on the back of multiple rallies solely because we wanted the record. That was it. We wanted it and took it, through cheating, then lost the titles in a satisfactory angle. But mostly it was self-interest and wonton abuse of power for personal gain.

Meanwhile on this occasion there was a genuine attempt to make Mania better. Full disclosure, I wanted WotR vs. Empire. I'd reveal I infiltrated the Empire to bring it down from within because they were threatening WotR's status, as well as its record reign. It would explain why I got rid of Tera and disappeared Shad, it would explain the Empire's downturn. It would explain why the super team of DP and Sultan appeared when they were just a month away from the record. Etc etc.

I had to come up with that after Plan A for Epopmania IX, @Steiner, disappeared - entirely his prerogative and I had months to reschedule and I kind of expected it anyway after he failed to stick the landing on that eaed feud last year. Good UCAer, to flaky to rely on for something like this. The one I'm most mad at is @TheKnightOfNee - I planned a feud with him that he liked, then he completely disappeared without telling anybody. At least let me know what's going on so I can reschedule jeez. I actually hope he's ok if anything because his sudden departure was very worrying. But I wasted my "I passed Boko on the all-time list!" promo attacking him specifically to set up a Mania feud that he didn't execute.

So my third option, and a good option, was WotR vs. EoS. And with your Mania main eventer as tag champ and eddv telling me privately he had a plan for Mania (this wound up being a misunderstanding on my part which is the second reason for me taking the DQ, after Tom's sheer ignorance) it felt fine for us to take the tag titles to arrange a good and exciting angle. Not a great one - we had a very similar rivalry with NLK but this would presumably have had promo work from Shad and Stifled while Wigs was always absentee in that regard - but a fun one for all involved.
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Also it's Mania season so figure out your s***
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Solioxrz362 posted...

By the way, can we agree to reintroduce the normal starting time and Sunday evening finish next year? Everything seemed a bit more balanced that way. And people were awake to see the finish.

Everything was delayed. I nearly delayed to next week because of it, I had a feeling it might happen.

Starting the Rumble in dead hours is much better yes.
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If someone could handle all the results that would be great

WotR lost by disqualification is the final ruling on that btw.
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/74888363
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On the hour I think
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Depending on Tom's entry number, we could start a few hours early and then swap Tom/Dp's numbers if a miraculous comeback is made.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

hey don't underestimate me friendo

...DOES it change anything if I'm champ, though? Because otherwise there's not a HUGE reason we couldn't start it early. But that is @XIII_rocks ' call

Champ has an advantageous entry number, absolutely cannot start it early much as I would like to.
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@Tom_Bombadil

Need Combat

I work Sundays, the Rumble is going to be pretty hard
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Oh and for the record I'll be winning the Rumble, it's like the only thing missing from my resumè
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muddersmilk posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

@muddersmilk what's going on with MELEE

Honestly? No idea, I haven't been on much in the last week or so.

I will try and go through it tonight but I don't think there have been enough eligible gimmick matches for anyone new to get three points since the last two to get close faced off.

Ah ok.

In that case, select an opponent.

Or Tom should do this Nee/Apollo thing when he posts Combat ASAP.
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Nee vs eddv for the tables title!
Eaed vs Wigs for the IM title!

@muddersmilk what's going on with MELEE
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Ok @Tom_Bombadil

Combat pls
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Of course there are certain standards of presentation that I expect to see met
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Here are five of the matches. Other two up to you but none for a title.

Eaed prof GTM for IM contendership
Solio/Tom vs. DP/gravy
XIII vs. Raven
Nee vs. Boko vs. CPU vs. davidponte tables match
Stevie vs. Shad - Last two Rumble winners EXPLODE

First person to post gets it! It's up for grabs!
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So turns out I got sidetracked again
- who wants to post Ruin
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Ok so Ruin has IM title contendership and a taybles match.

Anyone else want a match? @muddersmilk
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I have some announcements

At the Rumble Day 1, @Tom_Bombadil will get the title shot against DP that he is owed...but only if he is prepared to forfeit his LW Championship.

If he does, gravy and Solio will go one-on-one for the LW title. If he does not, it's a triple threat - and DP will defend against someone else.

Wigs will defend his IM title against the winner of a Ruin contendership match, and eddv will defend the tables title against the winner of a tables royale!

The MELEE MAYHEM title match is dependent on @muddersmilk informing me on what the standings are and possibly making a match or two using his Ultimatum power.

Day 1 of the Rumble will also include a special Rumble qualifying match!

And last but not least, I will use my guaranteed tag-team title opportunity and team with one of my Empire cohorts, to face off with eddv and Raven!
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Should have the laptop back in time for the Rumble, anyway
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Does Stranger Things count for this? I just saw Stranger Things this week.

Amazing show! Definitely left me wanting more.
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Excellent work
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