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Topicshit, Gorillaz new album is really disappointing
hockeybub89
04/28/17 2:20:45 AM
#9
I absolutely love Saturnz Barz and Andromeda. Haven't heard the whole album yet, but sounds like the second half and all those interludes are quite a waste. I am legit mad that We Got the Power is a single AND the closing track.
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TopicSocial Justice actually makes smart people behave like idiots
hockeybub89
04/27/17 9:30:47 PM
#73
Mal_Fet posted...
AugustAdoulin posted...
well this is a test from 2002. And it was aimed at people who have questions about their gender identity, which usually is trans people. As for the questions on the test, I have no clue how that stuff works. I'm not a psychologist (i'm guessing you aren't either Mal?). The memory and math problems probably does have something to do with males and females processing information differently. That isn't a stereotype, they actually do. Men and women excel in different areas.

Oh, gender dysphoria is a real and measurable phenomenon. Transgender people do actually possess neurological characteristics of their opposite gender.

Their opposite gender. As in being one or the other.

There's no such study that will say "oh your brain is 46% female". This study I did, as far as I can tell, just gives you an idea about whether you might have gender dysphoria, not to be taken as a sliding scale of how masculine and how feminine you are.

There still seems to be a certain threshold. We diagnose disorders when people have some level of whatever issue. There are 100,000 ways you could be social awkward. People aren't scored 100% socially competent or whatever. Some people are more competent than others and a certain level of incompetence may indicate a problem. There are no literal numbers. There's an overall spectrum and being far enough towards the one end means you have something wrong with you.

Or look at autism. There's just levels of functionality. We don't call someone 20% autistic or something. No one is 19% while this other guy is 18.9%.

Trans people's brains trend far enough towards the opposite gender that it causes them problems. An effeminate gay man is still masculine enough to be male, but he is still less masculine than Ron Swanson types. We don't need to figure out scores or anything. There is just a point where it jives with your sex. That is the only point that matters.

People think I'm a SJW, but I do think that there are fundamental differences between men and women, males and females. I think gender identity is hardwired and think that along with talk of a gender spectrum actually fucks up their goofy ass beliefs.
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TopicShithead doctor who got removed from the United flight got a payout
hockeybub89
04/27/17 9:04:36 PM
#276
Good for the doctor. I don't care if he is a wonderful guy or a completely sack of shit. It's completely irrelevant. Fuck United and their bullshit. Lol Admiral.
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TopicSocial Justice actually makes smart people behave like idiots
hockeybub89
04/27/17 1:11:55 PM
#58
Would you personally consider everyone to be equally masculine? If Not, you believe in a spectrum.
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TopicSocial Justice actually makes smart people behave like idiots
hockeybub89
04/27/17 12:44:59 PM
#54
Mal_Fet posted...
No, because you can actually accurately measure one's politics through which policies they support, ergo it's not subjective. You can't be like "I support total military domination of the populace ruled over by an iron-fisted dictator. But it's ok, I identify as an egalitarian pacifist."

All I'm saying is masculine/feminine is no more a dichotomy than left/right. I don't give a fuck about otherkin or whoever the fuck. I don't even understand how gender being a spectrum supports that nonsense.

Everyone isn't equally left. Everyone isn't equally masculine. We don't need mathematical equations and scientific proofs to see that.
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TopicSocial Justice actually makes smart people behave like idiots
hockeybub89
04/27/17 12:32:24 PM
#51
Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
I said it was crude. Don't be so dense. It isn't a mathematical concept.

As far as I can tell the concept is entirely subjective and therefore not a fact. Therefore Adam is behaving like a scummy pseudoscientist by presenting it as a fact and rebuking people who ask for evidence.

Where on the gender spectrum chart is Bruce Lee? Does he have greater or lower masculinity than Peyton Manning?

So would you be mad at him if he said politics are a spectrum? Would you ask for Hillary Clinton's score?

I have no idea what you are so mad about.
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TopicSocial Justice actually makes smart people behave like idiots
hockeybub89
04/27/17 12:20:09 PM
#46
ReignFury posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
ReignFury posted...
The concept of gender only has social meaning, its a useless construct to me. If some female who looks like a man wants to use a male restroom... I dont care.

If transgenderism is an actual thing, then it wouldn't be true that it only has social meaning. It would mean gender identity is just as hardwired as sex.


Can a white person be hardwired to be black? a tall person be hardwired to be a dwarf?

OIn a side note I dont care if Adam Savage is uninterested in engaging with trolls.

There is currently nothing that suggests such, but who knows? Anything is possible given enough time and effort to research. That is true for anything though.

Mal_Fet posted...
No I don't, because masculinity and femininity are not measurable quantities. "100% masculinity/femininity" are nonsense concepts.

What is the net femininity of Chuck Norris and Patton Oswalt? Round to four decimal points.

I said it was crude. Don't be so dense. It isn't a mathematical concept. But femininity and masculinity vary. Spectrum is as fine a word to describe that as any. Political beliefs are an arbitrary human concept with no numerical value, but we consider them a spectrum despite anyone's best attempt to make it a dichotomy.a
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TopicSocial Justice actually makes smart people behave like idiots
hockeybub89
04/27/17 12:00:23 PM
#41
Mal_Fet posted...
Not conforming to one or more societal gender norms does not place your gender "in-between" male and female. A woman who cuts her hair short and doesn't like makeup is still seen as a woman by society, and the woman herself more than likely still considers herself a woman despite not conforming to every traditional role...unless she operated under a different definition of "gender".

If gender is a spectrum, you wouldn't be "in between". There would be 100% masculinity on one end and 100% femininity on the other. And everyone would fit somewhere on the board. It's a crude concept, but would you not agree that everyone is not the same levels of masculine or feminine? You believe in the gender spectrum and you didn't even know it.
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TopicSocial Justice actually makes smart people behave like idiots
hockeybub89
04/27/17 11:53:19 AM
#35
ReignFury posted...
The concept of gender only has social meaning, its a useless construct to me. If some female who looks like a man wants to use a male restroom... I dont care.

If transgenderism is an actual thing, then it wouldn't be true that it only has social meaning. It would mean gender identity is just as hardwired as sex.
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TopicSocial Justice actually makes smart people behave like idiots
hockeybub89
04/27/17 11:49:02 AM
#30
Doesn't gender typically refer to masculinity and femininity? I don't know how someone could exist in the world and say that isn't something like a spectrum.
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TopicMy favorite part of the Bible is when god gives everyone free will
hockeybub89
04/27/17 11:44:42 AM
#100
viewmaster_pi posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
My favorite part was when god was creating all the animals, he created the Leviathan and the Behemoth who were so large that they'd destroy the world if they reproduced so he then killed the female and castrated the male.

We all make mistakes

Then God isn't who Christians says he is. Not that it matters since, at the end of the day, our favorite characters don't exist in the real world.
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TopicMy favorite part of the Bible is when god gives everyone free will
hockeybub89
04/27/17 11:40:24 AM
#92
I wish the Bible was written like a more typical fantasy novel. It's too all over the place. We need a reboot.
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TopicNorth Korea warns that thermonuclear war can break out any second!
hockeybub89
04/26/17 8:48:58 PM
#14
Topicwhy does the left get crap for wanting to punch Nazis?
hockeybub89
04/26/17 8:39:37 PM
#89
AugustAdoulin posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
If an individual person isn't directly causing violence, then fuck you for responding with violence. I don't care if they are a Nazi pedophile Jeff Dunham fan.


what if they were a middle eastern nazi pedophile jeff dunham fan?


Of course they shouldn't be hit. You can think whatever you want.

wah_wah_wah posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
If an individual person isn't directly causing violence, then fuck you for responding with violence. I don't care if they are a Nazi pedophile Jeff Dunham fan.

At the same time I think everyone must be prepared to take a punch and even face violence for what they believe. If they don't then it strikes me as cowardly, or like they don't actually believe what they say they believe in.

In America, no not really. There should be a reasonable expectation to not get your ass kicked for thoughts in the civilized modern world.
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Topicwhy does the left get crap for wanting to punch Nazis?
hockeybub89
04/26/17 6:36:54 PM
#84
If an individual person isn't directly causing violence, then fuck you for responding with violence. I don't care if they are a Nazi pedophile Jeff Dunham fan.
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Topicwhy does the left get crap for wanting to punch Nazis?
hockeybub89
04/26/17 2:25:57 PM
#57
KrustyTheClown posted...
You misunderstood (the implication of that "well...")

You seem to be aggressively compensating for something, though. Not sure what your deal is. I wasn't saying you were defending Nazis. Were you? Is that why you're mad and projecting?

You said people were defending Nazis and one could have only come to that conclusion if they were 1) illiterate or 2) actual supporters of the same sort of totalitarianism as the Nazis, just for the "right reasons."
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TopicRemember when punching America's villains was encouraged
hockeybub89
04/26/17 2:22:46 PM
#14
Thank God those days are over. We should shame anyone that advocates for violence in the modern goddamn world.
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TopicOxford: ''it is now racist to not make eye contact'' (BBC)
hockeybub89
04/26/17 2:12:12 PM
#28
I know people who absolutely do not make eye contact because they are somewhat racist.

But obviously a number of disorders could also make you not make eye contact.
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Topicwhy does the left get crap for wanting to punch Nazis?
hockeybub89
04/26/17 2:11:05 PM
#52
KrustyTheClown posted...
hockeybub89 posted...

You must be defending Nazis since you probably wouldn't murder one right now.


Well....

You'd fit right in 40s Berlin.
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Topicwhy does the left get crap for wanting to punch Nazis?
hockeybub89
04/26/17 2:09:09 PM
#50
3rd_Best_Master posted...
The Admiral posted...
_Near_ posted...
if you're asking if Nazis deserve to die, then yes, Nazis deserve to die.


Ironically, this is the same mindset the Nazis had about groups they didn't like too. Guess you're in good company.

Did you cry when all of those octogenarian ex-nazis ended up on trial and were put behind bars?

I'm defending Admiral and all, but thinking people should believe whatever they want and thinking they should get away with crimes committed in the name of those beliefs are not the same.
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Topicwhy does the left get crap for wanting to punch Nazis?
hockeybub89
04/26/17 2:07:11 PM
#48
KrustyTheClown posted...
2017 and people are defending Nazis. What the actual fuck.

2017 and people can't read. What the actual fuck.

You must be defending Nazis since you probably wouldn't murder one right now. The hell is wrong with you, Nazi sympathizer?
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Topicwhy does the left get crap for wanting to punch Nazis?
hockeybub89
04/26/17 1:54:38 PM
#46
pikachupwnage posted...
Because the word Nazi is used very loosely these days.

Richard Spencer is a Nazi. It is your own fault if you lose the ability to distinguish the real thing from the exaggerated usage.
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Topicwhy does the left get crap for wanting to punch Nazis?
hockeybub89
04/26/17 1:51:29 PM
#44
Don't punch them. Don't debate them. It is not your fucking job to force the world into thinking a certain way. Who gives a damn about Nazis? They're either going to stay the extremist shit bags they are or take over because America was secretly Nazi the whole time. There is no worry in the former and no America worth saving in the latter.
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TopicWind and solar are about to become unstoppable. Cheap energy revolution coming.
hockeybub89
04/26/17 1:44:26 PM
#5
TopicCasino Royale... a movie ruined from the start
hockeybub89
04/26/17 1:37:40 PM
#12
TopicWhat would you say were the best Bond movies?
hockeybub89
04/26/17 1:33:29 PM
#33
From Russia with Love
Casino Royale
Goldfinger
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
Skyfall/Dr. No

The only ones I truly dislike are the last 3 Brosnan movies and Octopussy/A View to a Kill. They aren't even endearingly cheesy like some of the other 70s/80s ones. I don't remember Quantum at all and Spectre still has Christoph Waltz.
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TopicDNC Chair declares there is no place for pro-life Democrats in todays party
hockeybub89
04/26/17 1:22:10 PM
#86
No place for pro-lifers anywhere imo. We need to cut it out with this shit already.
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TopicLMAO @ Disney's 2019 release schedule
hockeybub89
04/26/17 1:08:40 PM
#18
TopicThere is nothing moral about socialism.
hockeybub89
04/26/17 5:18:50 AM
#7
TopicSo is Bill Nye Saves the World as fucking awful as I hear it is?
hockeybub89
04/25/17 8:54:42 PM
#80
Sojy posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Or you're someone with absolutely no actual opinions, like Bernie Bros who voted Republican.

Maybe in part because ya'll kept using a stupid smear term against them? Seriously, zero self-awareness.

Who is ya'll? I would have voted Bernie, but instead I was left with the option of agonizing over which disaster to vote for. And I couldn't bring myself to do it because I found my four options to run counter to everything I believe in and what I believe is good for the country. I guess I can maybe see what Bernie to Trump voters were going for, but it was so obvious that Trump was a giant fucking fraud. He and Hillary were two sides of the same coin.

It was unfair of me to say Bernie-Trump converts have no values. I just have different values and think they should have known better than thinking Trump addressed their main concern.
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TopicSo is Bill Nye Saves the World as fucking awful as I hear it is?
hockeybub89
04/25/17 1:29:48 PM
#66
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
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The thing is, there are political views that are firmly in the "deal breaker" category.

I'm against the wall but I wouldn't give up my right to free expression [video games] to stop it from happening. Obviously these aren't the only two issues. Nor is the Presidential election the only way one expresses their politics.

But you're taking it too far and too literal. One doesn't need to jump onto the Trump train to have been negatively influenced against the left because of stuff like this, this shit causes voter apathy, which can sway elections, always toward the right.

All I'm saying is that your views should be yours. No amount of dumbasses should ever sway them. I'm not even trying to be mean to "the right" or whoever. If you shift in any direction over shit like this caused by anyone, you are either moving closer to your true beliefs or you'll one day realize you made a mistake. Or you're someone with absolutely no actual opinions, like Bernie Bros who voted Republican.

We just really need to stop pretending the world is as simple as "left" and "right". Neither side is the true problem. Believing there is a dichotomy is. That is why we have this shit going on in America.
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TopicSo is Bill Nye Saves the World as fucking awful as I hear it is?
hockeybub89
04/25/17 1:07:10 PM
#59
voldothegr8 posted...
E32005 posted...
Sojy posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
The worst part about this is they're doubling down on SJW insanity and they're just going to push people further right.

To reiterate what the moderate left has been trying to get through to the mental patients, IF YOU WANT A TRUMP 2020, THIS IS HOW YOU GET A TRUMP 2020.

you think one netflix show from bill nye is going to cause that??

cmon son

Of course not, but all this shit adds up and there's still a bunch of it being pushed down our throats.

The show sucks, but someone was never on the left in the first place if any number of dumb shows makes them give up their values.

10 million Anita Sarkeesians couldn't make me a Trump suporter because I believe what I believe because I believe it. Not because one of the two sides we pretend exists in the world has more or less annoying people. If you think one person is wrong and then another person who is supposedly on your "team" is also wrong, then that just makes them both wrong. Neither supports that person's beliefs. They should stay strong rather than treat their political and societal views like a bandwagoning NFL fan.
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Topicwhy are people so triggered by Le Pen? because she doesn't like radical Islam?
hockeybub89
04/24/17 9:29:03 PM
#13
Hash-Brown posted...
Iodine posted...
Hash-Brown posted...
Milkman5 posted...
She's expected to lose in the run-offs according to polls.

Are these like the polls that said Hilary had a 95% chance at winning the election?

Why are you comparing polling from two completely different countries?

Because much like the US I bet there are alot of supporters for LePen that are staying silent in these polls because of the violent left.

How will they be brave enough to show up and vote if they are too scared to respond to anonymous polls?
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TopicNorth Korea can produce a nuke every 6-7 weeks
hockeybub89
04/24/17 9:25:48 PM
#58
Remember: Spending tax money on healthcare and programs that could help Americans is stupid and wrong, but spending it on trying to bomb the evil out of the world is fiscally sound.
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TopicTake this political test and post your results
hockeybub89
04/24/17 2:53:20 PM
#61
TopicWould you prefer fast food restaurants to be automated?
hockeybub89
04/24/17 12:33:23 PM
#29
TopicWhy you don't punch a Nazi.
hockeybub89
04/23/17 9:20:55 PM
#201
AltonBrownFan posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
AltonBrownFan posted...
Which just leads me back to the initial question you've been ignoring ever since I asked it. If spirited debate is all that it takes for these views to die out, then why didn't it?

It is though

And violence, as it turns out, had the opposite effect. Nobody would know who Richard Spencer was if he was left to spout his nonsense on his own.

Which leads me back to the other question you've been ignoring ever since I asked it. If spirited debate is all it ever takes for those views to die out then why was the National guard necessary to enforce integration?

If Nazis somehow take over part of America and build ghettos and camps, you can be sure as shit the military will intervene. There is a difference between silencing shitty views and stopping harm done in their name. The latter doesn't shit on the concept of free thought and turn your country into a dystopian hellhole.

And I repeat, if government mind control is the only thing that will stop us from becoming the Fourth Reich or reinstating Jim Crow nationwide, then let's just let it happen. This country clearly isn't worth saving if that's the case. We're all just Nazis in remission.
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TopicWhy you don't punch a Nazi.
hockeybub89
04/23/17 7:44:55 PM
#186
AltonBrownFan posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
AltonBrownFan posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
AltonBrownFan posted...
Quit dancing and answer the question please. Since we've already seen the end result of Nazi rhetoric then why do you believe that neo nazi rhetoric will produce something dissimilar?

This question hinges on the notion that they will succeed in carrying out their goals unless we punch them.

It doesn't matter what their end goal is. Punching them will not accomplish anything except prove you're willing to sink to their level.

Why do you believe that debating nazis will make them go away?

You don't need to debate them. You just need to not punch or suppress them for speaking/thinking. Especially not if you want to have a claim to being the good guys.

My aim isn't to be a good guy. My aim is to have it so society won't regress to the point where the merits of lynching people is a discussion worth having again.

Then move before the concentration camps are built. We aren't going to destroy free speech because that is the only thing standing between us and the Fourth Reich... or whatever refuse is spilling onto your keyboard.

I wouldn't even punch you to suppress your ridiculous thoughts.
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TopicWhy you don't punch a Nazi.
hockeybub89
04/23/17 7:38:14 PM
#183
AltonBrownFan posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
AltonBrownFan posted...
Quit dancing and answer the question please. Since we've already seen the end result of Nazi rhetoric then why do you believe that neo nazi rhetoric will produce something dissimilar?

This question hinges on the notion that they will succeed in carrying out their goals unless we punch them.

It doesn't matter what their end goal is. Punching them will not accomplish anything except prove you're willing to sink to their level.

Why do you believe that debating nazis will make them go away?

You don't need to debate them. You just need to not punch or suppress them for speaking/thinking. Especially not if you want to have a claim to being the good guys.
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TopicWhy you don't punch a Nazi.
hockeybub89
04/23/17 7:06:14 PM
#176
AltonBrownFan posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Who gives a damn what their endgame is? They're f***ing Nazis. Their endgame doesn't have a prayer in the world in a country like America, especially if we don't suppress them like fascists.

Are you so sure it doesn't? This is the same country with the kkk and Jim Crow. And for as much as you like to pretend as if these ideas absolutely will not face any sort of resurgence in the mainstream, then why have we been seeing so many of our recent voter ID laws getting struck down due to racial discrimination?

Then burn the country to the ground. If the options are fascism now or fascism later, fuck it all.

I might give Proudclad a heart attack, but I don't think mommy government telling us what to think and slapping us if we act up is the only think preventing the civilized world for backsliding into the dark ages. Don't even say the name Trump.
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TopicWhy you don't punch a Nazi.
hockeybub89
04/23/17 6:43:11 PM
#174
AltonBrownFan posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
AltonBrownFan posted...

Still doesn't answer the question of why the national guard was called in to enforce integration if those ideas took nothing more than a sprited debate to knock down.

Apples to oranges.

Violence is good for protecting people's rights, not for proving people wrong.

So what's the end goal of neo nazi rhetoric? And since we've already seen the end result of Nazi rhetoric, what makes you think neo nazi rhetoric will produce something dissimilar?

Who gives a damn what their endgame is? They're fucking Nazis. Their endgame doesn't have a prayer in the world in a country like America, especially if we don't suppress them like fascists.

And if America truly is at risk of turning Nazi if people like Richard Spencer speak, then we should definitely let him speak so the country can burn to the ground as fast as possible. I don't want to live in a country that is only not gassing "undesirables" because the government is partaking in mind control.
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TopicWhy you don't punch a Nazi.
hockeybub89
04/23/17 6:32:45 PM
#171
BLAKUboy posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Sanity will do the rest.

Imagine saying this in a world where Donald fucking Trump is president.

Donald Fucking Trump proves the US is Nazi?
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TopicWhy you don't punch a Nazi.
hockeybub89
04/23/17 3:38:38 PM
#84
Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
fire810 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
People like gunplagirl actually think this is how people think:

"Well, at first I wanted to end the degeneracy of society through ethnic genocide, but then some degenerate punched me in the head while I was minding my own business. Maybe I should rethink my views and stop doing what I'm doing!"


the ol "if we keep bombing them, it will stop terrorism" routine

Mal may actually agree with that one though.

Of course I don't agree with that

I've always had a "not our problem" stance on the middle east.

Well gg then. I will eat my words.
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TopicWhy you don't punch a Nazi.
hockeybub89
04/23/17 3:32:11 PM
#82
fire810 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
People like gunplagirl actually think this is how people think:

"Well, at first I wanted to end the degeneracy of society through ethnic genocide, but then some degenerate punched me in the head while I was minding my own business. Maybe I should rethink my views and stop doing what I'm doing!"


the ol "if we keep bombing them, it will stop terrorism" routine

Mal may actually agree with that one though.
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TopicWhy you don't punch a Nazi.
hockeybub89
04/23/17 3:30:12 PM
#80
Zero_Destroyer posted...
hockeybub89 posted...


Let Richard Spencer's views hang out there for all to see. Sanity will do the rest.


but what if all the Republicans are secret nazis and then enough states are all filled with nazis voters and we elect Hitler 2 into office with far-reaching powers ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

We must punch the hundred man white nationalist rallies in backwater Arkansas to prevent this future!

To that person who would say this, I say the world may be a shit place full of idiots, but have faith the majority are not closet Nazis. The alternative is thought policing
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TopicWhy you don't punch a Nazi.
hockeybub89
04/23/17 3:25:40 PM
#77
Trying to shut down shitty views just gives them more attention and makes your views look a little shitty, even if they are still far better than white supremacy. Plus, making certain beliefs taboo just makes them more enticing to impressionable youth and idiots.

Let Richard Spencer's views hang out there for all to see. Sanity will do the rest.
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TopicIs cultural appropriation blown out of proportion?
hockeybub89
04/22/17 9:15:32 PM
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