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TopicBreaking: Shooting at San Bernadino Elementary School
hockeybub89
04/10/17 4:25:58 PM
#174
Logos posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
I didn't say he can't use it. I said he would have likely been fine with weaker firepower...which the original post implied he wouldn't have been safe had not had that specific weapon.


Most proponents of magazine limits put it around 7-9 rounds. That's easy to blow through on the first assailant. I don't know how many times the kid shot, how many misses, but it's entirely possible that he blew through 10 shots or more before getting the last person.


And how likely were he criminals going to flee in this situation when shots are fired. Do you think they will view it as worth it to add murder to their burglary charges?


So you want to leave people trapped because you're under some impression that the criminals are just going to run away rather than try to kill?

I don't want to sound like I'm defending robbers, but most criminals aren't looking for an excuse to murder. That's not to say I want guns banned, but murder isn't just the next logical step for all criminals. The world is slightly more gray than good law abiding citizens and bloodthirsty animal criminals.
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TopicThe Socialdemocrats about to ban religious schools in Sweden.
hockeybub89
04/10/17 4:02:41 PM
#40
Guardian-Sloth posted...
Remind me, why is it considered a double-homicide if a pregnant woman is murdered?

Because a third party doesn't have the authority to make a choice for a woman about her fetus' future. I don't believe it is always even considered double homicide if happens during the window when abortion is legal. Depends on the local law.
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TopicBreaking: Shooting at San Bernadino Elementary School
hockeybub89
04/10/17 3:54:11 PM
#131
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
You don't need an ak47 and 30 rounds per magazine to defend yourself



Last week some kid defended his home with a AR15 against 3 assailants. Yes, you might need 30 rounds.

Statistically, you don't need a gun at all. It is a much better argument to just mention that guns are a right and that inanimate objects are typically only as deadly as the person wielding them.

I think people should be able to have guns because they want them, not because there is a slim chance they may be in a situation where they will fire them at another human being.
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TopicBreaking: Shooting at San Bernadino Elementary School
hockeybub89
04/10/17 3:36:35 PM
#99
ManWithGun posted...
Look another tragedy being used to talk about gun laws

The wake of tragedies is the best time to talk about about preventing future tragedies. Too bad that winds up mostly being bickering masquerading as concern.
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TopicBreaking: Shooting at San Bernadino Elementary School
hockeybub89
04/10/17 3:29:23 PM
#84
The Admiral posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Logos posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
So the travel ban is stupid? Got it.


only if you're also prepared to admit that gun bans are also stupid. :) can't have it both ways, even though i know you love being a hypocritical leftist sometimes.

Ok. I'll admit it. Now you have to call the travel ban stupid.


When was the last time a bunch of guns got together to plan a terrorist attack? Until they do, let's stop with the idiotic comparisons of people to inanimate objects.

You mean like people with medical conditions compared to burning houses?
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TopicBreaking: Shooting at San Bernadino Elementary School
hockeybub89
04/10/17 3:28:27 PM
#81
Logos posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Many more people shoot themselves than others. Does that make gun murder not a problem?


Who cares? Why should someone's rights be stripped away just because someone else uses a gun to shoot themselves? People who want to kill themselves will always find a way to do it, even if guns are banned.

You said mass shootings aren't a problem because there are less of them than other bad things. Murder is not a problem compared to suicide. Once again, I said nothing about gun bans.
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TopicBreaking: Shooting at San Bernadino Elementary School
hockeybub89
04/10/17 3:26:26 PM
#75
Logos posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
So the travel ban is stupid? Got it.


only if you're also prepared to admit that gun bans are also stupid. :) can't have it both ways, even though i know you love being a hypocritical leftist sometimes.

Ok. I'll admit it. Now you have to call the travel ban stupid.
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TopicBreaking: Shooting at San Bernadino Elementary School
hockeybub89
04/10/17 3:24:38 PM
#69
Logos posted...
spikethedevil posted...
Logos posted...
spikethedevil posted...
So how many more before the US finally gets the point that guns are a problem? Or will you just keep letting this happen again and again and again and again?


It doesn't happen again and again and again and again. And you're being dishonest. Stick to your own country's laws. There are thousands of towns where guns are widespread, and where mass shootings are far less common than deadly car crashes. Guns are not the problem.


So 15 in 2016 alone is not again and again and again and again?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States#2010s


Americas gun fetish is so fucking backwards.


far more people died from car crashes in a single year than the entirety of school shootings. given the tens of thousands of schools, many of which are in areas where gun ownership is normal, you'd expect to see far more school shootings if it was actually a problem.

the number of school shootings is an outlier, not a norm by any sane measurement.

More people die from car crashes than gang shootings. Does that mean gang shootings aren't a problem? Many more people shoot themselves than others. Does that make gun murder not a problem?
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TopicThe Socialdemocrats about to ban religious schools in Sweden.
hockeybub89
04/10/17 3:16:29 PM
#27
Guardian-Sloth posted...
>Sweden

How tolerant.

People have been yelling at Sweden for being too tolerant of religion.

Now someone needs to think of the poor religions?
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TopicBreaking: Shooting at San Bernadino Elementary School
hockeybub89
04/10/17 3:13:17 PM
#48
Logos posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
So should we be worried or not? And we absoutely still have a mental health problem, which affects not only non-gang spree kills, but society in general. There isn't a one size fits all solution to our ills. Cracking down on gangs won't stop future Newtowns, Charlestons or Auroras. It won't help our mental health crisis. It won't prevent homegrown terrorism, Islamic or otherwise.


Being a part of a large public shooting is as probable as being a part of an Islamic terror attack. That doesn't justify taking away people's self defense rights.

I didn't mention a gun ban. I said gang shootings mean fuck all to non gang shootings.
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TopicThe Socialdemocrats about to ban religious schools in Sweden.
hockeybub89
04/10/17 3:12:26 PM
#25
Mal_Fet posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
Gojak_v3 posted...
Shit like this is why I continue to hate liberals,


BRB, calling Jesus to get a resurrection after dying from laughter at the thought of Mal_Fet being a liberal.

Look up "classic liberal"

Aka the actual definition of a liberal

AKA not Trump fanboy Mal_Fet
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TopicThe Socialdemocrats about to ban religious schools in Sweden.
hockeybub89
04/10/17 3:00:06 PM
#20
Good. Religious indoctrination is a cancer that should be excised from children. Choose to believe in a sky fairy of your own will.
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TopicBreaking: Shooting at San Bernadino Elementary School
hockeybub89
04/10/17 2:57:03 PM
#35
Logos posted...
Onetrueking posted...
Logos posted...
Onetrueking posted...
The fucking sad part is I'm not surprised. It's gotten to the point where this is almost daily.

Hoping no one is killed.


stop shitposting. it's not almost daily at all.

https://www.massshootingtracker.org/data/2016

You are part of the problem not admitting we have a gun/mental health problem


We have a gang problem. The majority of people who shoot and get shot are gangster shooting other gangsters.

So should we be worried or not? And we absoutely still have a mental health problem, which affects not only non-gang spree kills, but society in general. There isn't a one size fits all solution to our ills. Cracking down on gangs won't stop future Newtowns, Charlestons or Auroras. It won't help our mental health crisis. It won't prevent homegrown terrorism, Islamic or otherwise.
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Topicsyrian gas attack survivor thanks Trump and blasts anti-Trump people
hockeybub89
04/10/17 2:32:02 PM
#47
Well clearly armed conflict is alright if it makes victims feel better. Who cares that we have gotten no closer to fixing the Middle East or defeating terrorism, but have created even more victims over the years with our sweet democratic explosions. Fruitless violence is worth the temporary feels.

I don't give a fuck about CNN or Hillary, but a victim liking vengeance hardly proves anything.
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TopicBreaking: Shooting at San Bernadino Elementary School
hockeybub89
04/10/17 2:24:45 PM
#17
ProudlyHated87 posted...
How many terrorist attacks have we had in a row now?

Innumerable. This is just life. I stopped being shocked by shootings and bombings and whatever the fuck else years ago.
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TopicChechnya may he rounding up and killing/torturing gays in camps
hockeybub89
04/10/17 2:16:56 PM
#3
Topic"Sitting is the new smoking" is such a millennial thing to say
hockeybub89
04/10/17 2:14:11 PM
#6
Clearly they don't mean a sedentary lifestyle is bad for your health. They mean touching your ass to a chair is like smoking a pack.
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TopicPeople who say never go to a casino because it is a waste of money
hockeybub89
04/10/17 2:02:50 PM
#12
Going to a restaurant or a movie isn't quite the same gamble as losing $400 at the roulette wheel. Maybe if you are filthy rich, but not for average Joe.

I think more people are worried about losing money than calling potential fun a waste of money, with respect to casinos.
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TopicShould transgender women/men go into bathrooms they identify with?
hockeybub89
04/10/17 1:54:42 PM
#66
The Admiral posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Guardian-Sloth posted...
What's to stop a man from dressing up as a woman and raping women in the women's bathroom?


What's stopping men from raping other men or boys in a men's room?


Sadly, nothing, as we saw in cases like Penn State when gay pedophiles had access to naked kids in a vulnerable situation. Since there are lot more heterosexual perverts and deviants, that's only an issue that would become exacerbated if biological men were allowed to be in locker rooms and bathrooms with naked girls and women.

So would you be in favor of gay bathrooms if homosexual perverts outnumbered hetero ones? Hell, maybe we should do that just to protect everyone from those straight weirdos. By that logic, why should we worry about trans people when cis ones are the much more prevalent perv crowd?

Numbers seem to be a weird argument to make when you are worrying about straight, cisgendered men pretending to be trans women to go into the women's bathroom and get caught being perverts.

We can't live life worrying about what group has the most perverts.
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TopicShould transgender women/men go into bathrooms they identify with?
hockeybub89
04/10/17 1:34:12 PM
#58
Onetrueking posted...
I personally am against it because I'm uncomfortable around them.

Fuck their feelings. Someone has to think of mine.
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TopicIs bioware going to do the same with Andromeda as they did with DA:I? (spoilers)
hockeybub89
04/10/17 5:46:10 AM
#3
I don't know if that is true of Inquisition. It was more like a post-credits teaser that set up a sequel. And it was called Trespasser, which in turn sets up the next full game.
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TopicDeftones-change (in the house of flies)
hockeybub89
04/10/17 5:34:37 AM
#14
Topic'You have freedom of speech, but you are free to be punished for what you say'
hockeybub89
04/09/17 6:59:46 PM
#48
Wouldn't it kind of violate freedom of speech if we barred people from thinking less of someone for what they say? What exactly is the punishment and what should we do to protect people from said punishment?
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Topicpeople that wear those weird shoes with the toes are subhuman filth
hockeybub89
04/09/17 6:43:19 PM
#6
TopicFallout 4 is a ___ game
hockeybub89
04/09/17 6:39:07 PM
#8
Good. Some of the settlement stuff and writing hold it back, but it's another Bethesda world I love exploring.
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TopicSeriously... Would you still eat meat if animals could talk?
hockeybub89
04/09/17 4:58:10 PM
#3
That would probably mean they were of similar intelligence to humans, so no. I don't eat people.
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TopicAmericans, is Chicago pizza actually good?
hockeybub89
04/09/17 4:47:41 PM
#9
TopicWhy do modern rappers swear so much
hockeybub89
04/09/17 4:44:25 PM
#50
TopicIndonesian comicbook artist puts conservative Muslim dog-whistles in X-Men: Gold
hockeybub89
04/09/17 12:35:42 PM
#28
God damn it, mods. Islam is just a religion like any another. A boil to be drained from society. You wouldn't have modded that if it was "Fucking..." anything else.
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Topici think having a pet is wrong cause animals/birds/other things deserve to live a
hockeybub89
04/09/17 5:07:49 AM
#6
I think I don't give a fuck. We evolved the brains and learned how to domesticate animals. They likely couldn't survive in the wild if they wanted to.
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TopicScenario: How would you react to a group of men talking shit about your country?
hockeybub89
04/09/17 5:03:28 AM
#15
TopicLet's check in on Seattle raising its minimum wage
hockeybub89
04/08/17 9:56:26 PM
#12
ReignFury posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Payzmaykr posted...
"Something worked in one area, so it will work everywhere!"

it works in every other country plus inside america, why wouldnt it work for the whole of america? and dont be a shitposter and dodge this either


TOLD

Remember: Every failure is proof something doesn't work and every success is an isolated incident. Don't you liberals know anything?
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TopicIndonesian comicbook artist puts conservative Muslim dog-whistles in X-Men: Gold
hockeybub89
04/08/17 6:04:20 PM
#16
Topicdid the netflix star ratings disappear?
hockeybub89
04/08/17 2:25:32 PM
#28
JlM posted...
I just wish you could disable the god awful "previews" with that horrible stock music.

Holy shit it is so bad. It reminds me of those YouTube videos where TV shows are given '90s openings.
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TopicThere is literally no reason NOT to believe in God.
hockeybub89
04/08/17 2:21:20 PM
#58
Sure there is. You'd think we'd start growing out of this mystical nonsense any millennium now.
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TopicThe irrefutable axioms of Universal Basic Income
hockeybub89
04/08/17 2:15:52 PM
#17
I don't understand what you want us to do with X people if you are saying they will be greater than Y jobs.

Do we just let fate sort out the ones who can't snag one of those premium jobs?
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TopicAmerican tax payers: Do you approve of Trump's attack?
hockeybub89
04/08/17 1:38:47 PM
#7
Topicwhat accent do you have?
hockeybub89
04/08/17 1:37:17 PM
#50
Slight NJ/NY accent, most prevalent on words with short O's.
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Topicdo people still eat bread & butter as a side at dinner
hockeybub89
04/08/17 1:35:24 PM
#14
Yeah I'll have French or Italian bread on occasion.
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Topicname one (1) good remix
hockeybub89
04/07/17 8:17:16 PM
#7
TopicWhat is wrong with gentrification?
hockeybub89
04/07/17 8:07:41 PM
#61
Logos posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
You live in a fantasy world. People are poor. People are stupid. People make bad life choices. Standing over them and declaring that they should have lived differently doesn't help anything. You still have to do something with these people. And no, I don't think the solution is banning economic growth or whatever nonsense super commie thing you think I want. We can build nice upscale areas AND help the poor.


People are stupid, and they make bad choices. Giving them a free pass every time is not going to show people that they need to think and make better choices. There's a difference between making a mistake, and being stuck in a perpetual pile of shit because you're too hard-headed and stupid to care. Your line of thinking enables the normalization of the latter.

So what exactly is your suggestion? We need to completely abandon these areas so fear and desperation will either force them to figure shit out or crumble? With what money and resources will this occur? Do you not see the glaring problem with telling poor, uneducated people to figure it out on their own? We need to give them something even if we want them to self sustain. They need tools.

Here I thought we lived in a country. Not a collection of sovereign neighborhoods.
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TopicWhat is wrong with gentrification?
hockeybub89
04/07/17 7:49:57 PM
#55
Logos posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
If we only have responsibility for ourselves, then what do we do with these people? It is a nice idea to just be able to tell people how they should have just made better choices, but that doesn't change the fact that they are who they are? What is your suggestion? Hope they all turn to crime so they can get arrested and stop being an eyesore?


Actually, less public housing doesn't necessarily increase crime.

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/The-312/April-2012/Did-the-Destruction-of-Chicagos-Public-Housing-Decrease-Violent-Crime-Or-Just-Move-It-Elsewhere/

I would say that those people should not choose violence over applying themselves. A lot of the communities are destroying themselves from the inside because of the violence and drugs that creep into communities. Public housing communities had this problem big time. These communities need to prioritize education and self policing with a zero-tolerance policy for violence and drugs. And then they can make the right decisions consistently, eliminating this problem.

The solution isn't to impose some imaginary responsibility on others. People who buy the cheap property and move in to start businesses and growth aren't responsible for that mess.

You live in a fantasy world. People are poor. People are stupid. People make bad life choices. Standing over them and declaring that they should have lived differently doesn't help anything. You still have to do something with these people. And no, I don't think the solution is banning economic growth or whatever nonsense super commie thing you think I want. We can build nice upscale areas AND help the poor.
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TopicWhat is wrong with gentrification?
hockeybub89
04/07/17 7:35:31 PM
#39
Logos posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Logos posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
It's not so much about "finders keepers" as it is displacement, like pinky said. In the U.S. we're not doing a great job about providing quality affordable housing. Especially not in a dangerous neighborhood.


It's not our job to provide "quality affordable housing" except to the extent that we allow the housing market to continue building homes.


I disagree. I think we have a societal responsibility to ensure that basic needs are met. That includes having affordable, quality housing available to people.


There is no obligation to provide someone else with housing. If you disagree, go vote for a candidate that promises to use your tax dollars for someone else's needs. Good luck.

Our responsibilities are to ourselves and our loved ones, because god knows there's not enough money to help our own let alone other people.

If we only have responsibility for ourselves, then what do we do with these people? It is a nice idea to just be able to tell people how they should have just made better choices, but that doesn't change the fact that they are who they are? What is your suggestion? Hope they all turn to crime so they can get arrested and stop being an eyesore?
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TopicWhat is wrong with gentrification?
hockeybub89
04/07/17 7:30:47 PM
#36
Logos posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Logos posted...
There's nothing wrong with people moving into a neighborhood.

Unless you're kicked out of the neighborhood to make room for them.

When someone wants to see their city improve, they want to still be citizens at the end of the day.


If the area you live in becomes too expensive, move to a different area. What else do you want me to say? That's how life is. We can't just keep prices artificially low just because you see a problem with growth increasing the price of property.

I don't have a problem with growth and nice things. I have a problem with playing musical chairs with our poverty. It's the Patrick Star solution. Take it and push it somewhere else.

And I'll save you the time and post if for you. "It is no one's responsibility to make sure mommy government provides you with affordable housing because you made poor life choices."
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TopicWhat is wrong with gentrification?
hockeybub89
04/07/17 7:23:50 PM
#21
Logos posted...
There's nothing wrong with people moving into a neighborhood.

Unless you're kicked out of the neighborhood to make room for them.

When someone wants to see their city improve, they want to still be citizens at the end of the day.
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TopicWait wait, they're calling it "gender confirmation procedure" now?
hockeybub89
04/07/17 7:18:35 PM
#4
It is one thing you can call SRS. I wouldn't say it is now called that. No one made an announcement.
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TopicAre you more or less interested in video games than you were 5 years ago?
hockeybub89
04/07/17 6:14:09 PM
#8
About the same. My interest went up after high school and has been steady for a decade now. I've enjoyed them my whole life though.
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TopicPresident Obama, do not attack Syria. There is no upside and tremendous downside
hockeybub89
04/07/17 12:01:42 PM
#5
Guardian-Sloth posted...
Yeah, it's not like someone can change his mind after witnessing things first hand and having the power to stop it.

People don't change, so he's lying somewhere.
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TopicWhy did people support the drug war?
hockeybub89
04/07/17 11:59:31 AM
#14
TopicTrigger Warnings Are Absolutely Necessary and Should Not Be Mocked
hockeybub89
04/07/17 11:49:29 AM
#49
Questionmarktarius posted...
After all, "simulated gunfire" isn't too incredibly different in intent than "TVMA DLSV"

They are both stupid bullshit, but I'd love if everything was just unrated with an optional warning beforehand. Drop a warning and then show all the delicious uncensored content you can. At least the trigger warnings crowd just wants to protect themselves. This person doesn't want to eliminate simulated gunfire from entertainment. They just want to know so they can leave or know it's coming.
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