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I don't think I've ever seen a bigger fan of something misunderstand it so fundamentally.
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YourDrunkFather posted...

Stop getting butthurt because you have an obvious agenda you want to push here

The obvious agenda that Muslims don't have a monopoly on terrorism?
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YourDrunkFather posted...

I don't really care what government agencies try to define it as. I'm going by the actual dictionary definition and by that definition those wars were not terrorism. You could probably find several instances of the CIA commiting or financing terrorist acts though

You're so clever. Scholars and legal bodies alike can't agree upon a definition, did they even think to check the dictionary???
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

Ammonitida posted...

27_Sandman_40 posted...

all I got from this topic was that the US is apparently a terrorist organization

It did engage in a war based on dubious intel. A war that destabilized Iraq and helped with the formation of ISIS which is now inspiring Islamist terrorism in the US and Europe.

i got news for you buddy the events that led to the formation of ISIS started long before the war in iraq

Another interesting tidbit from the wiki page I just linked:
Commenting on the genesis of this provision, Edward Peck, former U.S. Chief of Mission in Iraq (under Jimmy Carter) and former ambassador to Mauritania said:

Edward Peck said...

In 1985, when I was the Deputy Director of the Reagan White House Task Force on Terrorism, [my working group was asked] to come up with a definition of terrorism that could be used throughout the government. We produced about six, and each and every case, they were rejected, because careful reading would indicate that our own country had been involved in some of those activities. […] After the task force concluded its work, Congress [passed] U.S. Code Title 18, Section 2331 ... the US definition of terrorism. […] one of the terms, "international terrorism," means "activities that," I quote, "appear to be intended to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping." […] Yes, well, certainly, you can think of a number of countries that have been involved in such activities. Ours is one of them. […] And so, the terrorist, of course, is in the eye of the beholder.[62]

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YourDrunkFather posted...

Ammonitida posted...

27_Sandman_40 posted...

all I got from this topic was that the US is apparently a terrorist organization

It did engage in a war based on dubious intel. A war that destabilized Iraq and helped with the formation of ISIS which is now inspiring Islamist terrorism in the US and Europe.

That's not what terrorism is

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_terrorism
There is no universal agreement on the definition of terrorism.[1][2] Various legal systems and government agencies use different definitions. Moreover, governments have been reluctant to formulate an agreed upon and legally binding definition.

Guess why that is? Because if it were legally binding, they'd have to stop doing it themselves. Hence the US definition adding "subnational" to keep their hands clean.
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Ammonitida posted...

27_Sandman_40 posted...

all I got from this topic was that the US is apparently a terrorist organization

It did engage in a war based on dubious intel. A war that destabilized Iraq and helped with the formation of ISIS which is now inspiring Islamist terrorism in the US and Europe.

I mean, knowing modern US history as well as looking at their current war efforts, it's easy to see how a lot of it could be classified as acts of terror depending on the definition.
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Rika_Furude posted...

scar the 1 posted...

How big is the time window on this? Which geographical regions are considered?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_and_other_violent_events_by_death_toll#Terrorist_attacks

Looks like from 1921-today, only counting attacks in which 50 or more people were killed. Globally

Thanks. The picture has a quite low resolution, so I couldn't really see what numbers were being considered.
So why would this support the case you're making? Try and make a more honest plot looking at incidents in Europe rather than including incidents in conflict zones. Furthermore, see if you can figure out a reasonable time window that would take into account groups that are active today. Then maybe you could form a coherent and honest argument about jihadist groups and other terror groups.
Actually, that's not enough. You'll have to factor in terror attempts that don't result in many deaths as well. "Number of people killed" isn't the only metric of terrorism.

And this is all, again, if you completely disregard the fact that the US is arguably the biggest terror organization in the world.
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Rika_Furude posted...

How big is the time window on this? Which geographical regions are considered?
Even further, the definition of terrorism is widely debated and there's no consensus. A lot of scholars agree that the US engage in a lot of terrorism, which would skew the numbers in your plot even more.
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Rika_Furude posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Shadowplay posted...

Maybe a gas line rupt- Ah who am I kidding. It's batshit crazy Muslims.

They don't have a monopoly on murder.

they do have a monopoly on terrorism

No
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marc55 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

armandro posted...

I never understood the DACA hate.

Some people just really hate Mexicans :-/

And, ya know, unconstitutional executive orders.

was ruled unconstitutional ? when did it happen?

I don't think there's a ruling but IIRC even Obama thinks it is. At least he made some comment like that.
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Huh, are we back at people conflating refugees with immigrants?
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Foppe, you know ZP is a notorious troll, right?
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Darkman124 posted...

cool, i just wanted to be sure i was not being confusing. language barrier is a common thing i deal with at work and i wasnt sure if i was coming across clearly.

hopefully in the next century we see changes to the nature of prostitution that limit the harm it does.

Well a big part of the equation is that dang patriarchy those feminists keep complaining about. And I get the feeling that they're not gonna make a terrible amount of progress on that for a while.
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Darkman124 posted...

yeah, sorry if i was not clear but i was aware that legalization in germany/netherlands has actually increased trafficking--that's why i was saying 'offsetting' which perhaps was misleading.

Yeah I think you were clear. I just rambled a little redundantly. And I'm not aware of specific numbers or anything.
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Darkman124 posted...

i had thought the associated impact on human trafficking rates was seen as offsetting this.

Well it's by no means a clear cut issue. The argument that legalization brings it into the open and makes it safer etc sounds nice, but AFAIK if you look at Germany, Netherlands and other countries were sex work is legal, there seems to be no less trafficking or more safety for sex workers. And the profession is still so stigmatized that the issues largely remain the same.
So then the question is this: Is there a way to address this stigma? Is Germany just not doing enough? Is it worth it in the first place? It's a horribly complex issue that seems in many ways stuck in a deadlock. You'll have feminists arguing against legalization on the basis that it doesn't help - which may very well be the case. You'll have liberals arguing for legalization on the basis that it just hasn't been done enough (or fully enough) yet - which may also be true. Either way I think it's gonna be a really long time before things start to change in a meaningful way, and it has to go hand in hand with the status of sex worker changing in some way.
For around a decade or three Sweden has been actively trying to change the view of a sex worker from "criminal" to "victim". But IDK if that's right (it definitely isn't if you ask sex workers themselves, the ones that can formulate opinions anyway), and IDK if it's working.
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Darkman124 posted...

it is. iirc in sweden prostitutes are not prosecuted, only their johns/pimps, right? this is designed to make it easier for victimized girls to come forward, but it also means that escorts have less to fear from getting caught practicing their trade.

Yeah, selling is not illegal, only buying. Although sex workers argue that this isn't so good either - they still don't want to get caught because it essentially ruins their careers. So they have to stick to dangerous underground environments and so on. That's a big reason why Amnesty International (IIRC it was them) updated their stance on prostitution to "it should be completely legal".
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smoliske posted...

scar the 1 posted...

smoliske posted...

it's the one religion than makes no sense

None of them make much sense, friend.

this one takes the cake

There are several really crazy cults. And a lot of cake.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

scar the 1 posted...

That sounds bipolar rather than schizofrenic, or even multiple personality disorder which is what you probably meant.

Bipolar is usually only psychotic when manic, and not that rapid.

Fair enough
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smoliske posted...

it's the one religion than makes no sense

None of them make much sense, friend.
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That sounds bipolar rather than schizofrenic, or even multiple personality disorder which is what you probably meant.
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Darkman124 posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Well I agree, I'd rather just date. But the impression I'm getting from a cursory glance on the internet is that it's really easy to find what you're looking for without even trying :P

what i'm saying is even when you've 'found' it you're still not guaranteed to actually get it.

Fair enough, the US could be far different from the Swedish stories I've read :)
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Darkman124 posted...

scar the 1 posted...

I dunno, at least in Sweden it seems like the thai massage parlors all offer some handy service if you're in a big city. Well, that is if you believe the Swedish kind of equivalent to 4chan, which has a giant, ancient thread about it. I don't know why it would be different in other parts of the western world, but I have no personal experience so I can't really say for sure.

there are skeevy tools for searching which places do this/do not do this in the US as well, and certainly some do

but i expect you're looking at equal chances of them taking your money without doing anything and actually getting what you think your getting

that's the nature of escorts: you're "paying them for their time" so they can act legally; they are not obligated to do anything, so you might as well just date like a normal person

Well I agree, I'd rather just date. But the impression I'm getting from a cursory glance on the internet is that it's really easy to find what you're looking for without even trying :P
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Darkman124 posted...

youll have much better luck with (giving someone else) massage as foreplay for sex with willing partners than trying to find a masseuse that is actually a cheap escort

I dunno, at least in Sweden it seems like the thai massage parlors all offer some handy service if you're in a big city. Well, that is if you believe the Swedish kind of equivalent to 4chan, which has a giant, ancient thread about it. I don't know why it would be different in other parts of the western world, but I have no personal experience so I can't really say for sure.
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Duncanwii posted...

Has Jimbe officially joined? I know Luffy asked him in the Fish-Man Island arc but Jimbe declined.

Yeah during this arc he left the Big Mom pirates to join Luffy.

not realy official but he sealed the deal when he said he openly opposed big mom in favor of the straw hats. no going back from that one for sure

but then again, the "joining" after the timeskip is a bit altered. since jinbe has his own crew and iirc, they're sinonymously agree that they will support strawhat, jinbe will probably join as a lieutenant like bartolomeo instead of the core party member.

i think oda really wants us to understand the scale in these arc and forward that luffy really need an army not just a close friend joining in his adventure. considering the monsters he gonna face, i like the direction

Yeah I agree - when we learn that the Emperors have armadas at their command, it makes sense for the Strawhats to amass a similar military power. Sure Luffy might not be very politically inclined, but he really does need to scale up to fit in.
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Duncanwii posted...

Has Jimbe officially joined? I know Luffy asked him in the Fish-Man Island arc but Jimbe declined.

Yeah during this arc he left the Big Mom pirates to join Luffy.
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saspa posted...

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

To Kill A Mockingbird because Atticus Finch holds racists beliefs.

Wait what when?

Read the sequel

That's like saying read the sequel to Moby Dick or Gone with the wind or Grapes of Wrath. It's just not done.

I'm sure you're trolling but
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_Set_a_Watchman
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Zeus posted...

Youtubers are just guys who goof around then got paid for it.

They shoot, often edit, and produce entertainment content. If they get paid doing it, it's real work. Very simple.
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ROBANN_88 posted...

i don't remember any celebrations of the 200 year peace in 2009.
i do however remember it happening in 2014.

That's weird, maybe I misremember? But I'm sure I don't.


ROBANN_88 posted...

also, what was that last part about a ""?

Uhh, that's even weirder, I'm sure I mentioned a name there
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Melonfarms posted...

Is it still profiling if an AI does it?
That will be a question that comes up I think.

Yes it is?
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LysistrataMedea posted...

https://cvdazzle.com/

cv dazzle is the future

That is so campy sci-fi. Nice!
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I saw the post about homosexuality. It seems that a lot of posters took it to mean that if you have a certain appearance (like, phenotypically) you'll likely be a homosexual, whereas it seemed pretty likely that homosexual people, just like any minority, are often part of specific subcultures which often subscribe to a shared fashion. Kinda like how the "stereotypical feminist" has bangs, red hair and a nose ring.

This sounds similar. And sure, it's interesting, but these kinds of applications are always murky waters. Especially since machine learning schemes are often quite opaque, it's dangerous to rely on them too much. What is it they're actually classifying? And so on.
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Foppe posted...

It seems to be political correct to wish the death of children to specific bloodlines?

I think the mods just have ZP on perpetual ignore or something.
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Rika_Furude posted...

the global temperature isn't raising or lowering. I know because I test the temperature every day by burying my head in the sand.

And since the sand in Australia is really really hot, you would be the first to notice!
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And here I thought "liberals" want to cut emissions and invest in green energy, while Trump wants to invest in coal.
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The culture industry is gonna get more and more important. I think people underestimate the role American pop culture has in turning "western society" westward. Unless the Chinese can make pop culture that can compete with American pop culture, they're not gonna take over the world. Is what I think.
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ROBANN_88 posted...

and even if it didn't, you're forgetting about our part in the Napoleon war which ended with Denmark giving Norway to us in the Kiel, still extending our "last war" to 1814.
a peace term that the Norwegians then ignored, which then prompted the aforementioned conflict

Again, I'm not forgetting. I'm going by what the country celebrated in 2009. There's surely some way of defining it that works out.
All in all, Nikra was wrong by 100 or so years and the rest of his post was fascistoid bait.
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ROBANN_88 posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Last time was in 1809

1814.
you forgot about the Norway Union war or whatever it's called

Didn't think it counted as a war, since it was an internal conflict. 2009 was the 200 year anniversary.
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I don't actually know how vegans feel about these sorts of issues. On the one hand, they probably don't like any sort of killing animals, but on the other hand, humans usually had a role in messing up the ecosystem to begin with.
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There was this samurai fighting game for the PS2 in which you challenged other dojos and got their moves if you won, so you could piece together your own fighting style. Very flawed but fun. I think it was called Kengo?
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Kisai posted...

scar the 1 posted...

One of my favorite setups were to fill all the available weapon slots with N-Bombs, then play with 8 sims as well as 4 players. Was quite fun.

Another one of my favorites was Slayer hide and seek - you only allow Slayer second function, and essentially play hide and seek with the guided rockets.

While everyone else double-taps duck so that their screen goes black, so you can't see where they are?

Well that's one way. We usually just all hid and sought out each other, so mostly you could just see where the opponent's rocket was if you looked at their screen.
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One of my favorite setups were to fill all the available weapon slots with N-Bombs, then play with 8 sims as well as 4 players. Was quite fun.

Another one of my favorites was Slayer hide and seek - you only allow Slayer second function, and essentially play hide and seek with the guided rockets.
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Master_Bass posted...

Even Mao didn't kill the last Chinese Emperor.

Wasn't that because the emperor fled to Taiwan or am I thinking of the wrong one
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Nikra posted...

I read something about Sweden not long ago: Sweden are ruled by feminists: They haven't been at war for the last 300 years. So the women has taking over the country: All the men are a bounch of loosers that don't make any decisions without clearing with the women first.

200 years, roughly. Last time was in 1809. The rest sounds like any typical beta cuck SJW slander.
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