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ChichiriMuyo posted...

I'm at work so ability to check in is sctechy.

If I had to pick 3 as scum its... corrick, scare, and... maybe tidus? That's order of liklihood.

What's your reasoning on the latter two?

MZero would be on the table if you convinced me! I really do think he's made enough thoughtful posts in his limited time here that I don't want to lynch him unless something drastic changes and don't think we have to to win. Pretty much everything he's said I've been like "yeah, I understand where that's coming from" and I find I rarely experience that with scum.

Hey Chang. How come you haven't voted yet?

The main thing I take from that is that Muyo was wayyyyy too unquestioning on whether Chris was scum. He just believed he wasn't and refused to consider otherwise. I think a few others have mentioned this already, but being so certain and correct on something very complex is a bit of a scumtell (and I should know because that is literally my tactic for the first few days of my scum games). I'd have believed it more if there was more real analysis in there.

We're still like an hour and a half too early for it to be a special, c'mon now.

also I do not agree on the "claim is the only thing backing him up" portion on Tidus. Most every post by him early on felt like precious innocent new town and I stand by that.

Corrik7 posted...

If Muyo is scum, the only people with the ability to coach that fake claim is honestly me, Scare, or Ulti. No one else in this game would fit the mold to coach that. And if Muyo was coached to that claim, I am looking directly at Tidus as well. Because his claim is the only thing backing him up as town and a vote steal that happened only night 1.

Hmm, thinking about it I actually might agree here. It's specifically the "Outsider" part which is tripping me up here, because that's a really odd thing to add in and I feel like MZero, Chang, Tidus and Muyo wouldn't have added that in. I would, however, say that I think Death might have the required knowledge? And in addition, if Muyo is scum I think it's unlikely that all of the three you mentioned are town.

Corrik7 posted...

if we know Han wasn't likely strongmanned night 2, how much does that change our opinions of Chris?

If they don't have a strongman, they likely either tried to kill Tidus or Han N1 anyway, cause they really had to get Death's extra shot off. Probably still Han, but it strikes me as odd they would shoot the same dude two nights in a row if so.

changmas posted...

If Muyo is scum, this looks like Ulti/Muyo scumteam.

I kindaaaa agree? Or it would at least make Ulti more of a focus in my thought process for potential scum. But also we are always lynching Muyo first in this case because the Death vote D1 on Ulti feels so bad for any scum team. I would, however, say that if Muyo, Corrik or yourself are scum, it looks slightly less bad because of the late votes. I doubt Ulti is scum with MZero (who wasn't around EoD) because of this, and probably not Scare either (although that would be less predictable because of timezones)

Tom Bombadil posted...

I'm not a *complete* genwunner but I do think legendary designs kinda went off the rails after like gen 3

I'm not a big fan of a lot of gen one designs, 4-5 are probably my favourites and I didn't like the gen 1 games much as a kid, but I still think legendaries after gen 3 are awful. 4's oversaturation and overdesign really started the trend and then gens 6-8 hit us with some absolute trash.

Sheep007 posted...

If you'd been keeping up with the game you'd realise I have gone back and read the game multiple times in the last two days. You can't just call everyone else lazy while saying you're dead already and the game was over the minute Chris flipped so there's no point. Or, well, you can, but it's not gonna help us find scum.

Like, seriously. I spent about twenty bloody posts yesterday doing an ISO of Muyo. Go back and read yourself if you want to know my reasoning.

Corrik7 posted...

You don't believe I sent a pm saying I am taking BP????

I definitely don't believe you did it during the day and then got given the role as soon as it turned night.

Corrik7 posted...

I mean, I don't think for the funnziez is the best argument, but Idc right now. I am town, and this is a mislynch. If you are town, please go back and actually read the damn game. You being lazy is making it so scum can look town so easy by just putting any effort in at this point.

If you'd been keeping up with the game you'd realise I have gone back and read the game multiple times in the last two days. You can't just call everyone else lazy while saying you're dead already and the game was over the minute Chris flipped so there's no point. Or, well, you can, but it's not gonna help us find scum.

PunishedBen posted...

Anyway, no, I don't believe him that he got to pick his role in the middle of the day. That's a lie

Yeah I also kinda don't believe this part

Hey Chang

Do you think those Death posts are just general inconsistencies because they're from a scum player, or because he doesn't want to pressure Corrik too much?

Fastbreak posted...

You need to trust Ben here

I trust Ben's reads, but I trust my own a bit more, and I think the Muyo lynch is safer. Plus, let's face it, it's much more interesting than just sitting around for another two hours waiting for Corrik to flip.

seriously how are there still people in this game who think Chang is scum

I am really not sure on this lynch, I'm not gonna lie. Like, we're currently stuck with a Corrik/Scare choice, and I'm not particularly convinced of either being scum. My reread did not leave me with particularly bad feelings surrounding Corrik, and his posts are overall just neutral? Hell, I was maybe more leaning towards being good. Gonna throw a bit of a curveball in the mix, here.

##Vote: Muyo

I hate that Corrik picking BP over doctor so he can save himself actually kinda adds up

PunishedBen posted...

Han wasn't dead until the start of day 3, so you couldn't have picked the role night 2, and thus wouldn't be suspicious of Chris day 3 like you claim.

Didn't he specifically say he was suspicious of it because he was a backup? Nothing about having picked Han's role and thus being suspicious of Chris in that order.

Toradora

Legendaries are bad ngl. Ho-Oh is probably the only actively good one for these two days, although Gen 3 and 5 are both fine as well as Xerneas. The Sword/Shield dogs are some of the most boring Pokmon in existence and probably the shittest box legendaries, but they generally just suck.

Ho-Oh > Lugia
Groudon > Kyogre
Dialga > Palkia
Reshiram > Zekrom
Xerneas > Yveltal
Solgaleo > Lunala
Zacian > Zamazenta

Overall

Ho-Oh > Groudon > Xerneas > Kyogre > Reshiram > Lugia > Zekrom > Yveltal > Dialga > Solgaleo > Lunala > Palkia > Zacian > Zamazenta

K-On

I have never played XC2 and have little desire to but the soundtrack is one of the best from any game. Celeste is a great game by itself, but without its soundtrack it's not close to as memorable - same with plenty of platformers, but in particular the Galaxy games and the DKC games (including the new ones). Oh, and Undertale.

I can't think of many games which were hurt by awful music tbh (and I disagree on the XCX take). The Bungie Halo games have amazing music, and the 343 ones have the most bland sci-fi music ever, with just about everything good stealing motifs from the Bungie game. Also, I've not played it for a while, but I distinctly remember Fallout NV having meh ambient music and about ten tracks total on the radio which made me turn it off in the end.

I said this a couple topics ago and having reread I think it a little less, but if we do lynch Corrik today and he flips scum, it would make Muyo look a tad better? That's basically the one unflipped person he's actually suspected through this game, and I'm not sold on Muyo being willing to bus a scummate like that especially given the sporadic defenses of Death. It is, however, one thing to say a read, and another to genuinely push it (which Muyo has not done in the slightest). I'm almost certain there's at least one scum between the two, but if there's not two then one of my current town reads is off. Cause thinking of my scum list from top to bottom, that would probably leave us with a Muyo/Corrik/Scare team (sorry Scare, at this point my early game read and trusting Ben still leaves you in a slightly worse position on the list than MZero or Chang). Which kinda feels like it makes not much sense as things stand.

Muyo, do you wanna, idk... Say something about who you think is scum or town? Rather than just angrily ranting that we're all idiots who clearly made the wrong decision and are all trying to murder you. People (myself included) were wrong on something you were right about. Shit happens.

UltimaterializerX posted...

If Muyo is scum (very big if and frankly its the hosts fault for towns loss at that point), we may be looking at Muyo/Sheep/Tidus.

I think my first trip is far more likely personally.

Just wanna say regarding this that Muyo is not clear and has never been clear. As I said, I have been in games before where I have voted after deadline (admittedly by a couple of seconds rather than minutes) as scum and was not modkilled. Blaming the host for their choice is not gonna help us actually win and I'd rather like to, please and thanks.

Also, can I ask why the entire scum team shifts if Muyo is scum?

Gonna head off now. Reading the best part of five topics to find approximately one new interesting thing has drained me. I feel a bit better about Corrik after that readthrough, and more paranoid about literally everyone else. Is Ben scum mason? What other twists and turns does Luis' grand scumhunting setup have in store for us?

But seriously if we are (and even if we aren't) lynching Corrik y'all need to get the rest of the house in order rather than sleepwalking to another mindless lynch that is apparently settled five hours into the day. Best case scenario is Corrik is scum and we do the same tomorrow. I don't trust the game as is to avoid two more incorrect lynches eventually when following that method, and I'm absolutely going to be dead either tonight or tomorrow, depending on if they think Ben being confirmed town is worth more than me this game.

I know for a fact that I am not good enough to warrant half the game sheeping me two days in a row and enough of you are also competent enough town to make a coherent scum team and argue for it if you're still convinced this is the right lynch.

Also, this is a ten year old game at this point. Nobody complained about spoilers when I ran Harry Potter Mafia in 2016.

I feel like the two are the same person and therefore mutually exclusive, no? And we've literally had games with the main character on the safelist before.

But yeah, probably no roleblocker. Scum had to gamble on killing Red because if he actually was tracker, three nights of info was far more than it was worth risking, considering who was left on the board.

I was legit considering claiming cop today to see the reactions and hopefully genuinely get myself shot but seeing myself get irritated by Scare's claim made me think it was a bad idea. I am genuinely kinda surprised there's been no solid new info today. I think this game is very scumhunting-centric, even more so than others. Which is absolutely godawful for us given the way this game has panned out since the mason claims.

I'm aware of all that. Just wanna maybe draw the shot and have some fun with the scum team, yanno? I reckon it'd be pretty funny if they thought I was cop. Which, to clarify, I am not. That was, in fact, a shitpost. I just scrolled through about four and a half topics of mafia again, and a hundred plus of your posts. Cut me some slack.

I'm very sorry for that last line.

Corrik7 posted...

Is the chang thing why you were being coy with your scan???

Wouldn't you like to know

scum will just have to shoot me to find out ;)

but then I would say that, since I'm just a babby widdle vanilla and want to get shot UwU

also not saying I'm cop but if I were I would have scanned MZero town D1, Chang town D2 and been roleblocked last night

boy I sure was right d1 when I said that's too much vanilla

Corrik7 posted...

Deaths play looked like crap, but he was the one to catch the write up inconsistency with Ulti right? It's why I said Ulti looks better today now that Chris is town and with knowing Death was scum. The two things that were against Ulti mostly have become completely false. I mean, Ulti still hasn't done much at all, but the things pointing against him have disappeared.

It had nothing to do with whatever reasoning you said. It was solely on the fact that Deaths claim matched the proper write up, ultis didn't. And I believe death was the one who caught it. It's why I suspected Chang for not noticing it and/or turning a blind eye to it.

Cool. Your reads sure do change on a dime, occasionally drastically and with little explanation, eh?

Cordelia, Vanilla town

TidusOfTheX posted...

In the space of about ten-ish posts from yourself, you switch quickly from thinking Death is scum to thinking he's town

Cool, but he does provide reasoning. I don't think that itself is a problem, but the reasoning feels flimsy and he flip flops on it very quickly - when the Death lynch has momentum, he's following it, when it doesn't, he's rapidly off. Even that isn't awful and can be explained by him just being someone who goes with the flow, but it's the leap to calling him town and back to scum I dislike.

Scare. Buddy. Work with us here. I wanna trust you, but I've not had much of a reason to since D1 apart from believing Ben's read. I felt a lil bit of fire when you were chasing Chris and nothing else since. I don't care if you take the blame for a mislynch, I want to win.

TidusOfTheX posted...

I'm facepalming after reading that. Why would Corrik do that

I have no idea what exactly you mean by this but please think critically for yourself. This post is legitimately the one thing from Corrik's first two days that I think looks bad, but it's not damning. Maybe go back and have a read through to see if you'll spot anything different.

MZero posted...

I'm here if you want to go Sheep

I kinda wouldn't mind it but I also don't trust Scare enough to want to give him unnecessary prep time.

Sheep007 posted...

Chang is Town, and you're scum. Chris is obviously scum

Chris is not obviously scum. That should read obviously town. Chris is not, to my knowledge, reverse death miller.

Okay, coming out of the first two days...

Corrik actually looks kinda fine? Like, there's a pretty clear reason why I had a neutral/town lean read on him up til yesterday, and I know he's a good player as either alignment. There's nothing that sticks out as godawful anywhere. There's also nothing that looks amazing? Like, there's not many things he did where I went "okay that probably ain't scum Corrik" either. I've come out of all of this with a shockingly neutral read and I'm almost leaning Muyo for the lynch today. One little question, though.

Corrik7 posted...

So, I now see why Shonen is being coached. He is in a mason chat.

So Shonen and Ben are town. Red is town. Chris is null if not scum. Sheep I would trust with my life as town. Chang I am not sure on because I could see Ulti bussing his teammate. Chris can't be scum with both Chang and Ulti though, he wouldn't have forced claims for his whole team that way. Death looks a tad better for now because he actually called out the formatting issue while Chang who was there right then didn't even bat an eye at it.

Town (In order of how of highest to lowest)
Sheep (I know he is above pretty much confirmed town - should show you how town he is)
Shonen
Ben
Red
Han
Death

Null
IGCD
Muyo
Mzero

Scum
Chris
Tidus
Chang
Ulti

I am aware this is not the scum team because Chris and Chang and Ulti are not all on it. Thus, scum is likely in the nulls also. I am confident 100% on town for everyone above Han though. (So if I got tricked it's in Han and death - though I don't think so).

This post really rubs me the wrong way. For context, post #252 topic 2. In the space of about ten-ish posts from yourself, you switch quickly from thinking Death is scum to thinking he's town. You explain why in this post, but it feels a little much to switch from being possibly biggest pusher of his lynch along with me, to sticking him as Town.

I may be wrong, but I think this is your very next post addressing your read on Death, a topic and a half and an in-game day later.

Corrik7 posted...

Death has looked like crap to be fair.

There's no real explanation of your transition of reads, and this post came when the idea of a Death lynch gained some momentum again. You clearly start addressing the possibility of Death being scanned, and at the time it becomes obvious that there's only a few targets for my scan, you decide on the Death lynch. There's more than one explanation here, but one that sprung to mind was you realised there were only so many targets for my scan, and only one that would make you look good. In this scenario, Chang is Town, and you're scum. Chris is obviously scum. The remaining scan possibility is scum Death. His time is already pretty clearly limited, he probably used his vig shot, and it's really only a matter of time until he's lynched. I think at a surface glance, the Death stuff makes you look pretty great, but not so much when you look a bit closer.

I do feel better about Corrik after that readthrough, but that is a pretty glaring issue that I'd like to hear more about from the man himself.

Hey, Corrik, it sounds like a good time to reveal why you said this.
Corrik7 posted...

If red is tracker like he says, he is probably every other night tracker anyways imo. I have zero doubts there is a cop. Cop + inventor/vote stealer + tracker + masons/BG + Doctor. Yeah. Too much conformable and power. He is a liar or isn't every night.

How did you come to this conclusion at the time and at what point did this opinion change?

TidusOfTheX posted...

Sheep, when will you claim?

Either after or alongside MZero. Preferably also alongside or after Scare. It gives them less room to base their claims around mine.

Corrik7 posted...

What???

"A bunch" might be overstating it. But on P9 of topic 2

Corrik7 posted...

Assuming a cop and doctor, town is looking too powerful. The scum team would have to be stacked for town to have cop, doctor, tracker, confirmable vote taker/flavor cop giver, 2 masons. imo. You are looking at a strongman/ninja combination on scum or something to compensate.

and after Chris responded that a cop was not required, you said that...

Corrik7 posted...

It's a confirmable flavor cop giver. 3 confirmable roles on town? In addition to likely traditional power roles? It's a lot. If anything... you should be looking at Red.

Also, c'mon Corrik. You spent a bunch of the last part of D1 arguing that town was too strong with their scanning roles. This is kinda throwing crap at the wall to see if it sticks now.

Reading through old topics now. I have thoughts pending but want to get through the first D2 topic for more context before I vocalise them. Just wanted to pop in and say that Chang actually bothering to point out inconsistent logic from Corrik here feels really good to me. Could be bussing? but I'm really not feeling that from him.

Corrik7 posted...

Sheep has been the most analytical player so far which is why it is hard to come to any conclusion he is scum. Like trust me, I tried to make it work just out of paranoia. I cannot. However, he has basically ceded that if Chang is scum that he is okay losing the game just based on luck. Which is weird. That's pretty lazy. He assumes there was a roleblocker but then thinks they let a flavorscan go off no problem. And thinks his flavorscan is a 100% clear. Personally I don't know the flavor that well, but I think it's basically a scenario where someone assumes a godfather is town if scanned and loses the game over it because they can't think about it more.

If you'd paid attention to what I said day 2, I was unconvinced Chang is scum then and have seen almost nothing to suggest otherwise since. The scan just backs up those thoughts. Like, sure, this could make him the equivalent of a godfather right now, but I'm not gonna spend a full day pressuring him a ton when I'm more concerned about other players.

Will be back in a few hours and do some actual analysis rather than just responses

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