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Obellisk posted...

because I won't buy into your garbage? yeah, frustrating for you I'm sure.

Yes, that is kind of the fucking point.

Sbell i really just want to smack you with a newspaper.

Lopen posted...

Honestly the only thing I thought of when seeing plum as godfather was

1. What scumteam godfathers plum
2. Sbell as godfather even dumber theory than it was before-- though I think only plum himself was seriously humoring that.

The whole point stuff, I dunno, I guess I'm just not interested enough in it to think about what gets points. My role isn't scum hammer though, so understandable why I would care less.

I started to reread day 1 to try and get hints but I then came to the conclusion that there were enough factors in "what scumteam godfathers plum" that it wasn't a good use of energy. Maybe someone else has some theories though. Like I do think looking into who suspected plum day 1 might get you a town lean on those people. Though if memory serves plum didn't really have any heat until day 2.

Other possibility is red is scum that knows point theory is a red herring and is sending us that way for a reason.

I haven't read enough yet but this happens for a pretty basic couple of reasons.

You see godfather as buyable so you assume cop.
You theorize who is power and who they suspect enough to scan.

Fastbreak posted...

Red I don't think a rotating shop or a shop as you go is likely

Chris was up front about everything this game, he wouldn't make scum situations rng related

Yeah i know, i think I said as much. I expected a static shop.

htaeD posted...

I do have to say it that yeah, Red suddenly showing more interest is what he would do as a good scum partner.

Death this is dumb.

I shove as scum. I'd have felt pressure to shove yesterday and roll town.

Not my scum game in the slightest.

Obellisk posted...

1 scum goes down and all of the sudden red is a model player trying to save the game with his logical theories on the scum shop?

Almost like I always get more active when a scum goes down because we are no longer blind when reading.

Scum never no kills.

(Unless very specific endgame scenarios)

htaeD posted...

Anyway all that matters to me right now is that Plum voted Han as King over Lopen.

.....

If only that proved as much as a regular lynch could.

I mean, they could both be scum still. But the needle has moved slightly towards town for lopen for me.

Obellisk posted...

You know who was good at discussing things inconsequential? Plum.

Thats great. I'm not plum. I like reasonably logical theories.

That i object to you finding them pointless.

They are also fun with a mystery game being played behind us and i want my guesses on the board for postgame. So get off of my fun.

Also there is a decent shot you dont live to tomorrow so dont screw up your time sbell.

I dont thimk he has had much suspicion but we can pretty safely add igcd to the 100% town pile.

Obellisk posted...

We do not know what earns points
We do not know what actions cost
We do not know how many actions/roles are available at any given time.

We DO know that all of this talk is pointless
We DO know this has been the most vocal Red has been.

Blablahblah we dont actually know most of these things screw your head on tighter sbell.

Or amend that. Would plum be ballsy enough to open the game asking to king his scumbuddy if his team also got points for getting king votes.

Would plum be ballsy enough to open the game asking to king his scumbuddy

I suppose third option is things show up in the shop each day and stay til bought but again seems too complicated.

This implies they either have a permanent list of things to buy, which is my guess, or they know the next nights shop ahead of time(this seems unlikely).

Other piece of info we know is they'd end up with enough points to buy a gladiate on n3.

htaeD posted...

True. But I am assuming scum could buy more than one action n1

I wouldn't doubt it. Spending godfather on plum feels tertiary to other actions.

This is why I think they had less to spend on n2.

htaeD posted...

Maybe plum bought a permanent godfather status

I think this is implied by todays post.

But also consider godfather status would be viewed as near worthless once the cop died.

Also for chang to be scum they'd need points for godfather and extra kill n1.

And still taking this into account, would likely have almost certainly earned significantly less points n2.

Potential meta: scum spent an action on plum n1, did not spend anything n2. Reason to believe they possibly received less points.

Quake

Trade for Rocket auto

Rocket

Han talking about me dying early when he was real confident that I was town vanilla early game.

Wow murder everyone.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I've been very vocal that I would be a tyrant and I'm pretty sure you haven't voted me once.

Apologies for the lack of faith.

That was to lopen.

Your day was boring. No one felt fear.

Obellisk posted...

the feelings mutual..., I guess?

I'm not sure what to say here.

Lynching someone then being like "sorry i had no spine" sets off all the boring signals in my body.

We need a tyrant.

Kirby321 posted...

Case in point.

Red shows up outta nowhere the moment I say he's scum lol

Not everything is a conspiracy. I just woke up.

Obellisk posted...

There is a very fair chance that between Lopen/Scare a scum lies. Neither of you are out of my pool yet. But I wasn't going to be the mad king that takes out his predecessors.

I hate you, sbell.

Getting into the hillary/bernie thing agaim is dumb and ultimately there is little reason to believe either makes much of a difference in a system designed not to work.

Kirby321 posted...

Likely Scum
Red - Not sure what the whole hammering stuff was about. Just seemed like unnecessary chaos from someone who has barely done anything this game and just conveniently shows up whenever. Similar to Mzero in that I don't have much data on him, but Red does not vibe as town to me. Still, I'm not as sure of him being scum as the rest of the people on this list.

Someone didn't follow the game.

I wonder if we've given you too much of a pass.

Death disappoints me in the one game he gets to live.

I hope hes scum but dont really lean into this at all atm.

Writing on the wall and they are distancing, possible too.

Allof the people we shouldn't trust are saying to lynch plum.

His claim sucks, it screams of scum needing to buy an ability.

But also our prior kings sucked big with king. The first lacked any emotion and the second lynched the cop without properly assessing his scum motivation

And then Han probably shouldn't be alive in this player list.

It would be a huge surprise if all 3 are town. It would be less of a surprise if two were scum. 3 being scum would run about even(exaggeration).

Kirby321 posted...

but skill-based rewards don't seem out of the realm considering that this whole Kingmaker gimmick is supposed to reward town for good elections. Idk, I'm still confused on wtf just happened.

It is not skill to hammer town to be king as scum. It is counter to their objective for the day.

Hell if scum got points for anything other than lynching town, receiving a vote for king, becoming king, and token points for just being alive I'd be surprised.

But i can guarantee they aren't receiving points for electing town, hammer or not.

Fastbreak posted...

There is potential for scum to get points for hammering, stop playing dumb

Beyond that, you'd also know scum is not individualized. Anyone could do it if it did give points.

(Which again, would likely be doubtful)

Only scum would be right to be concerned with hammerer.

Fastbreak posted...

There is potential for scum to get points for hammering, stop playing dumb

No. It is not.

Giving scum points for making town king would be antithetical to the game.

Not letting me hammer was bad form.

Anyway, for those not paying attention, only scum has to fear a hammerer.

It is not a possible scum role in this setup.

I have to drive my dog to the park it takes 3 to 10 minutes i expect to be able to hammer when i arrive.

Fastbreak posted...

Red stop fucking around

So let me hammer.

ScareChan posted...

No, we're ruling out any potential for the scum hammer theory that is floated around. You're not hammering again.

Oh no we are running with this now give me hammer.

Kirby321 posted...

t's suspicious that the hammering votes these past two days have always been from Red, who was otherwise not there for most of the day.

This isn't suspicious and the only way you'd think this is to think I'm scum kinging out scum.

Which even then puts focus on me in laughable territory.

UltimaterializerX posted...

This will sound lame, but all the usual health advice (gym, eating right, etc) helps a ton with that in my experience. Is that a "you" thing or no?

I'm usually pretty good at these things. Mainly cause my dog very much demands daily exercise.

I have pushed back the depression a bit but the self confidence has really had its teeth kicked in.

Leafeon13N posted...

Everything he could do Lucario could do better it made no sense.

That said my favorite was just the novelty of taking both into a lane together because that is just peak dream for red.

Zigzagoon posted...

Zeraora isn't even in the top 3 for the poll.

And he's also never even been in the top 3-5 competitive Pokes for Unite either. He was good at lower-mid levels but nothing past that.

Everything he could do Lucario could do better it made no sense.