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banananor posted...

Is it possible the process might be improved if the cameras weren't allowed in?

Transparency vs efficacy maybe

In this day and age that would just result in them completely making up what was said instead of just kind of making it up.

So...stalled?

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Sbell then claim so we can laugh merrily at mzero

I'm confused by this post.

If sbell is scum why are we at claim or die

Isnt that just die.

Yes. Abolish the Senate.

We're at the end of the ben thread now we've got your thread.

Mzero stalling the game.

Corrik7 posted...

Wait you die in 36 minutes?

Yes Corrik, i die in 36 minutes.

PunishedBen posted...

Let's just kill scum because I'm tired of defending such an obvious town role

This is the biggest lie you have told.

36 minutes.

I kind ofjust want to know -everything- ben knows because right now is 0 trust.

To be clear, i am not okay with leashing third party just to get stuck having tiwn lynch them later when the game state dictates they should be lynching for mafia.

Also i can tell you right now as town i come into the topic when i feel like it or expect to have a PM to DTC. As scum i race to the topic to see wtf my kill target flipped.

Especially early. Late game interest is much higher of course.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

The opening message of the day. 12 light, 1 grey 4 creeps.

Igcd i am going to murder you follow the topic damn it.

Basically, nothing about being able to give this power to scum, whatever good it may be, gives you any credibility towards being town.

If you knew this instill thing was popping up and would be a race, why not discuss it yesterday so that we could agree on someone that we all agree on as town could pick it up?

PunishedBen posted...

I could talk about it, but I figured I could always put it in the dying message day 2 anyway. I did not think there was any chance i let myself get mislynched day 1 without spilling everything. And i gave you all I know so far - the number of town, scum, and 3rd party in the game.

What is the value of giving you that information?

So you knew immediately there was a third party day 1.

So, assuming someone did it at some point, what was your reaction to someone bringing up third party yesterday?

PunishedBen posted...

I was straight up given information. Its why my day 1 message was "We know more than we can say"

So what information were hou given?

Why are you allowed to talk about this now?

This day is stalled in my mind unless Ben claims how he knows a third party exists.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Which requires the host to have directly lied to us, and it to be a scum power.

Nope not humoring that.

Yeah. very unlikely.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Chris being scum is possible.

Chris being scum mandates third party Ben.

...All Chris has said is he doesn't think Ben is scum. Chris has not said he can't be 3P.

This could be scum/3P, but it's not scum/scum

The only way it is scum/scum is if the whole thing is fake and chris didn't actually get anything.

Isquen posted...

Stop being obtuse. It's spelled out.

I dont mind being called obtuse when i am being obtuse but i am not being obtuse here.

Those numbers dont currently have an origin.

Isquen posted...

I quoted the message.

This doesn't answer my question. Where are those numbers coming from?

Also where is mzero.

Isquen posted...

That right there is enough reason to think of third party existing. 12 town, 4 scum, 1 grey. 17 total. Math is not that hard.

Where is this math coming from?

So i dont immediately see a way for you to either not be that third party or just be scum. Basically, no trust right now.

My immediate distrust comes from ben saying he knows there is a third party in the game.

Because if you are some sort of town competing role with that third party usually part of the conditions makes it advantageous or even necessary to stay hidden.

Crescent-Moon posted...

You're talking about Mike, right?

Mike still won with us, even though I got him lynched for essentially sabotaging us and almost costing us the game day 4.

Yes. I'm still salty.

Obellisk posted...

Take it from someone who won as Ultros a guilty scanning independent who won a game. you lie.

The last third party won with a half truth about their third party status.

Crescent-Moon posted...

I would like to note this is virtually identical to what town MZero did when he had Scare dead to rights day 3 in FFXIV

I'm a little tired and on the road, memory refresh on exactly how that went?

I think they won anyway. I just remember them ultimately leading to the downfall of town.

changmas posted...

that's my gut reaction too but why would ben reveal a third party if it's him? isn't that an unnecessary risk

Thats how the last third party won.

Not to necessarily absolve sbell for that, but that logic alone isn't needle moving to me.

changmas posted...

sure i like where this is going. specifically that Sbell most wants to push Ben into the third party role

I dont know that i necessarily like this logic, because third party is exactly where my brain goes when i hear "sign guy".

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I like whatever it is Mzero is doing.

I would potentially like this if i had an ounce of trust in mzero.

If scum Crescent bamboozled town Scare into giving up I will be upset, btw.

PunishedBen posted...

I know what will happen to me, and I will play that the way I believe is optimal!

I dont believe you to be in immediate risk either way.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I am not surprised, note my lack of comment on it yesterday. I was more being cute.

Anyway Ben could be third party, but I don't care about that atm, because he is not scum based on what I have been given.

So what are you withholding. Because if you are honest you are going to die with it or be roleblocked.

PunishedBen posted...

For the doubters from yesterday, IGCD is still super town

Probably, yes.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I know I'm probably going to be lambasted for this... But I really don't like Ulti, Chris and Crescent.

They feel too much like they are working together behind the scenes.

Chris sitting here ready to snipe a message raises an eyebrow, certainly.

PunishedBen posted...

Look at my day 1 message. Look at the amount of "good" votes I got. Look at Chris getting a power which he said is a power that town gives out, and look at my message today. It explains itself

Trust. None.

Most of the signs in the game are just things telling people to jump to their death or erroneously hit a not hidden wall.

Why ask me to do something, unexplained, when i make it clear i inherently distrust you?

PunishedBen posted...

You should rate the message good!

Why.

I dont trust anyone writing signs.

I have been infected with Scarlet Rot.

This sounds bad.

CaptainOfCrush posted...

Yeah, gay marriage ballots were losing decisively in liberal places like Oregon as recently as 2004.

Yeah 2008 was the big one with prop 8 in California. And it wasn't like it was boosted by just the typically conservative parts of the state.

Rocket

Stop talking aboutthe modkilllable stuff holy crap people.

Scare is being boring.

Shonen_Bat posted...

Voting for town who won't die, as opposed to town who will die.

That's my perspective.

You should...vote for scum?