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ZombieCheetah posted...

Putting together a roadmap of actionable items to get to a realistic goal requires, thought, understanding and effort.

and that's what you're doing? lmfao

ZombieCheetah posted...

Because the issue is nuanced

you conflated them because the issue is nuanced?

goddamn

ZombieCheetah posted...

I'm a left leaning liberal but I'm pragmatic.

probably like Jimmy Dore, Glenn Greenwald, right?

jiffdiff posted...

White people should acknowledge historical realities and seek to ameliorate ongoing systemic oppression, but individuals should in no way feel guilty for things they haven't done. That is extremely unhealthy both personally and from a societal perspective.

As I said, I would suggest that we are seemingly working from different understandings of acknowledging and experiencing guilt.

like bruh my grandparent's generation stuck needles through the tongues of the grandparents of friends of mine for speaking their native tongue. meanwhile everyone was like 'oh, these stinky lazy savages'. chill.

Revelation34 posted...

Lol.

Even the person I was discussing this with was in agreeance with some of the details of my argument, even though they disagreed with that statement. Try to at least bring a bit of discussion to the table. I really seem to think that people in this discussion have different concepts of 'guilt'.

11110111011 posted...

If you want to feel like you are solving the world's problems that is your prerogative, but you need to understand you are just wasting oxygen. If everyone focused on their own problems instead of trying to fix everyone else's the world would be better off.

Individualism doesn't work.

11110111011 posted...

I like how you assume anyone who doesn't care about politics is blissfully ignorant and just doesn't want to be sad by approaching 'real problems'. It's also cute that somehow those who don't care about politics think the 'status quo' is great. Nice generalizations there.

That's true. I mean, I have tons of friends that don't care about politics, and I love them, but they are definitely just avoiding it. Fair to point out that they could still be rightfully upset with the 'status quo', although I don't think adjl any claim against that.

Just putting it out there...

I would far rather deal with someone telling me not to make fun of women and gay people in the workplace.

In contrast to a racist, or sexist or homophobe being given free reign to 'be themselves'. I have dealt with these people in the workplace. I've had them fired. They aren't helpful or productive in the workplace and actively drag down everyone else.

Meanwhile, I can still listen to comedy that makes fun of women and gay people, should I wish.

captpackrat posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/2/6/AAQwHjAADjX-.png

the other one was Mein Kampf

rexcrk posted...

I get what youre saying but yeah Im not gonna feel bad about something I didnt do.

That doesnt mean Im not going to not feel bad about what has happened, but Im not gonna be like Im such a horrible person because of what someone else did either

Fair enough that we can get close to on the same page but not quite.

I will say, I don't think ANY 'progressive', self-identifying 'SJW', or 'woke' person would want anyone to consider themself a 'horrible person because of what someone else did'. I think it's the fact that a large segment of the population are in complete denial about how the past transpired - this is why 'progressives' etc are still hammering on about 'white guilt'.

It happened in the past! So, so long ago!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatoon_freezing_deaths

https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/new-light-on-saskatoons-starlight-tours/

rexcrk posted...

Trying to make people feel guilty for something they didnt even do (because it happened before they were even born) seems like such a psychotic take to me \_()_/

If I was German, I think I'd be reflective of what my grandparents took part in. I do not consider this psychotic. I am white, so I consider how my ancestors effected the people on the land I live, and it was negatively. I don't need to lash myself or anything, but I'm definitely not going to make the disgusting jokes about natives that I've heard other white people make. Could you imagine a Jewish person asking a German person if they felt guilty for the Holocaust, and the German answering 'no', or just trying to act like someone was 'psychotic' for wishing to discuss it?

I don't know how you process guilt, I don't really think acknowledging guilt is especially arduous.

Most of my native friends definitely don't consider this as something that 'happened before they were even born' because the effects of colonization are still with them and still occurring. Their lands are still being raped, their women still murdered, and the investigations still ignored. As a Canadian, I feel guilty for this, but it's not in whatever way you seem to feel process guilt and feel adverse to it.

Yes, I have a few memories from age 2 + 3. I also recall being in daycare and being 'placed' on the toilet, since I was mostly potty-trained but a little inconsistent. It was a weird pedestal toilet so as a toddler, you'd be face-to-face with the adult when they opened the room. That definitely implanted it firmly in my memory, because it seemed a little absurd back then.

white people should feel guilty lol

**edit, and I don't mean in some 'woe is me' way, but taking accountability for real history - any level of denial is infantile. most people are in denial about history, especially Americans.

as for a 'snotty college kid protesting a comedian'...just ignore it. I know this might just be a difference in taste, but I think Dave Chappelle just primarily complains these days as opposed to focusing on comedy. if some 'snotty college kid' wants to protest a comedian, are they not free to? are you not free to ignore them? everyone seems to conflate the stuff that social media pushes at them as 'reality', but you can literally just turn it off and go to a Chappelle show if you like. is he 'cancelled'? are the couple of venue re-schedules that he's dealt with really that different from what the average comedian/band/musician goes through while booking a tour?

I have too many crushes >_>

Muscles posted...

A lot of people are accepting of other races/sexualities/genders without being woke, I think it could easily be argued that more people accepting of diversity aren't woke than are given the fact that woke people are a vocal minority. Just because you aren't a bigoted piece of shit doesn't mean you are automatically woke.

"Woke" really is just a scary trigger-word here. Sorry, but society has been pushing towards "woke" for decades, especially in places like the workplace. It's simply more efficient in the workplace when people are discouraged from 'joking around' using race/sexuality/gender. You're likely right that a it's a vocal minority that actually identify as 'woke'. However, I think without the buzzword, the majority of people will end up agreeing with general values of 'being woke' - ie respecting people in the workplace, recognizing structural oppression, blah blah blah.

Hope nobody is construing this as an argument, I think it's just a good discussion.

Muscles posted...

I think too many things are labeled as woke tbh, being accepting of gay people is not woke, being accepting of Trans people is not woke, wanting to silence comedians is woke, wanting to get rid of "offensive" movies/music/whatever is woke.

See, I can't place all those things in those categories like you. A lot of 'anti-woke' people are Christians that are also into banning "offensive" music. All of the 'woke' and 'non-woke' labelling makes little sense. I agree with your first bit that too many things are labeled as woke, but then you proceed to label a bunch of things. Not saying those labels aren't mostly 90% accurate, but there's a lot of gray area for all of them, so it almost seems contradictory for you to suggest 'too many labels' and then label things.

I'll also point out that an 'anti-woke' Conservative may claim to be accepting of other races/sexualities/genders and then actively vote against their interests, or even against the interests of that Conservative; I'd use banning trans people in the military as an example. So ultimately, the 'anti-woke' label really doesn't matter, and neither do their claims.

Jen0125 posted...

i'm on another 30 day ban rn that is up in 8 days

i only use facebook to antagonize the right wingers that have safe haven there. that's why I'M always getting banned but they aren't. facebook's algorithm has serious fucking problems.

yeah, it definitely favours rightwing communities

Jen0125 posted...

7 hours ago and it's still up

i call someone a stupid racist and i get a 30 day ban

i love the internet lmao

I get one week bans when I call someone a 'bitch' that called everyone else 'bitches' for whatever arbitrary reason. Gotta get off that shithole site.

Muscles posted...

More like "the woke crowd wants to get rid of offensive things, so if you let them take over they would get rid of said offensive things you enjoy"

Like I said, I personally find the claim that 'the woke crowd' are looking to eliminate all offensive things to be incorrect or at the very best overinflated.

hera posted...

yeah this isn't really true anymore

the computer itself generates more static energy when it turns on than you can with socks on carpet

It's rare, but I zapped a lighting system, an SSD, and a HDD a couple of years back. Still worth protecting yourself/your gear during repairs/installation.

It's nice being familiar with all of the components. It's not incredibly difficult, so it's beneficial in the same way as understanding any technical device you might have, or mechanical device, like a car. You could (well, will) save yourself on repairs in the future basically, besides being able to generally build a PC for cheaper than a prebuild.

adjl posted...

I'm guessing he's going for "the only reason offensive movies/comedy exist for you to see if you want is because of the anti-wokists you think are dangerous." That's obviously not true, since you can very easily produce offensive material without losing your mind over the existence of a gay protagonist, but I'm pretty sure that's the logic.

Thanks for the interpretation, hopefully Muscles will back up that explanation just to confirm. Makes sense, I can find it a bit difficult to read between the lines when things aren't directly spelled out.

That's the thing, a lot of the most offensive acts I can think of are semi-associated with other 'woke' acts...like, I find Neil Hamburger to be overall a lot more offensive than Dave Chappelle. Then Neil's associated with Tim Heidecker, whom a lot of people would describe as 'woke', but who has done a lot of super offensive comedy.

People are more offended by Chappelle because he's famous, and the groups he lampoons are larger, generalized groups. I personally find Chappelle's comedy to be less of 'jokes' now; currently it mostly encompasses storytelling with a lot of personal exposition, which, a lot of comedians do. Although I personally find a lot of his material to be what I'd qualify as 'general complaining'. I like my comedy with more jokes.

i mean, olivia newton john is a little more well known lol

Muscles posted...

Lol, nice job contradicting yourself.

I don't see it. Explain further?

*edit, surprised a couple of people backed me lmfao

bait topic

It's probably nowhere near as intense as you're thinking of it.

just soak that tofu in soy sauce and rice wine vinegar baby

it's pretty funny that all your examples are movies. just ignore the bad movies and watch some good ones. that's how life has always been. like, 'oh no, society made a film I don't enjoy'. like, great - society will hopefully be able to wipe your bum for you soon too.

woke isn't really that big of a problem to me, because it isn't as 'universal' as all the fearmongerers would like you to believe. sensitivity training can seem pretty stupid in the workplace, but I'd rather see it taken seriously than deal with a bunch of fucking assholes in the workplace. you can still communicate forcefully and with weight without being offensive. therefore, I really don't care about the 'anti-woke' at all, since they're basically just arguing for the right to say the N-word in the workplace, at the end of the day.

I can still see offensive movies and comedy if I want. I think a 'woke' environment for work/school/professional settings is vastly preferable to simply enabling assholes to be assholes. I'll take 'woke' over 'anti-woke' any day, because the 'anti-wokists' are far more dangerous, and far more inclined to force their perspective on everyone.

Hey, congrats! That's pretty damn exciting considering that you were adverse to the housework. It really worked out! I think I gave contraindicatory advice at one point lol

Ozmose posted...

Her little visit cost the taxpayers in the ballpark of $90,000,000. All for the sake of political theater.

Where'd you pull that digit from?

Millennial, especially those golden first 3 seasons.

https://youtu.be/2lp-v2-Xd9k?t=788

I enjoy food, yes. That includes plants.

@SKARDAVNELNATE You communicate in a very obtuse way I find. This may also just be the case that this would work a lot better in person. Apologies if I misconstrued what you had to say. I understand what you're saying about how what I said could be construed as enforcing stereotypes. I'm letting you know that I do not seek to enforce stereotypes, but recognize that people will desire to reside within that stereotyped space, potentially regardless of whether or not that stereotype is dismantled.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

I'll extend the benefit of the doubt and ask if this is what you meant. Did you just correlate fitting a stereotype with being gender-conforming and not fitting a stereotype with being non-gender-conforming?

Identifiers exist. Yes, non-conforming would acknowledge a stereotype. That stereotype exists, because you are aware of it too. We can pretend it doesn't exist, but it does. Why dismiss their desire to express themselves within the confines of a certain form of gender expression? Is everyone required to be neutral should they transition in your world?

you put words together but they're overly convoluted and don't make sense. I can barely make heads or tails of it.

people are free to adhere to stereotypes if they want, it doesn't make it more 'enforceable' by society. it's the freedom to exist wherever one wants to on that spectrum that matters. you seem to wish for less enforcement of stereotypes. if you're just going to act in the opposite direction and tell people that they aren't free to fit into those stereotypes should they wish, you're limiting their freedom of gender expression. being trans doesn't necessitate someone be 'passing' as the stereotype of the gender they identify with. but they are free to do so.

we can both work towards breaking down stereotypes and allowing people a larger freedom of expression. they go hand-in-hand. you seem to want to judge people based upon how people are working within those parameters.

I'm sure I'll still have complaints, but this gen is looking a lot better than Sword/Shield, which I skipped out on.

Switzerland is far more strict with gun ownership than America is.

is cumtown funny without Stavros any more?

why argue one side when you can argue both sides

just share

JigsawTDCII posted...

its a big firework festival on the beach. Biggest summer fireworks festival in the prefecture I live in.

ohhh. personal thing for me, but idgaf about fireworks. I'd only make a point of going to a festival if there was something extremely interesting for me to attend. I can see my friends any time and kinda consider larger events as not as effective for socializing with them.

Basically kinda just depends on what you feel though, I can totally see someone thinking of one as more of a 'can't miss' than another. I just think Tokyo has soooo much to do and see.

Keep getting ads for 'Dosed 2' - a documentary about a terminal cancer patient that did psilocybin for 'treatment'. I think it's definitely something cool, but at the same time, I absolutely loathe this kind of bandwagon marketing on the whole concept. It seems like the documentary also explores her looking into other 'alternative' cancer 'treatments'. I mean, she still died. If shrooms can make someone's death 'easier', then all the power to them, but fuck all these stupid bandwagoner celebrities.

McKenna is the funniest one to me, since his brother was the OG of 'drugs will open your mind man!' and then he died in his 50s. Nice. Guess it's pretty easy to make money by dosing up someone guaranteed to die and giving them good vibes.

Then there's the feature from Gabor Mate - he's done some pretty great work, but he definitely has a tendency towards enjoying being an 'influencer'. He hops on any talk about potential 'life-changing cures'. I don't really trust his general advice since he raised a very bizarre son.

and anal fissures!

lol Bobo

Revelation34 posted...

I think the bigger question is why is a robot buying tampons?

I mean, if you got your period and had a robot to send, wouldn't you?

how odd that I know a lot of butch women with no desire to transition hmmm I can't believe that they are allowed to non-stereotypically represent gender norms without the pressure to trans, who would've thunk it