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Crescent-Moon posted...

Meow

I gather you kinda tunnelled in on Death in your head, right? And Death/Han is not Scum/Scum (which I heavily agree on).

Straight up, do you understand the Town angle for Chris here? Are you seeing what he is with Han? Because my gut is iffy on Han, but the material in front of me (particularly what Chris is putting forward) just isn't convincing me. It's the same with his argument on Sultan, which just didn't do it for me. I suppose what I'm getting at is do you think Han/Chris is likely to be Town/Town right now? Because my gut is telling me Chris is Town, which I don't think I've ever had before this early, but I dislike his content in the time I was away.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

I feel like nobody remembers how I was in Nickelodeon Mafia.

Okay. Can you please elaborate on how this is relevant?

Fwiw I think BCT might well hide away and only respond when summoned as either alignment. He definitely did it a fair bit as Scum before. That said, I'm not particularly interested in specialing him unless things change. It's frankly boring and unambitious.

BCT, are you aware almost everyone alive aside from you thinks that Wall is Town? How do you feel about that?

If Crescent or Wall are around, I'd kinda like to discuss this a little with them (mostly because they're the only people I fully trust rn). This is mostly a thought process thing with a lot of instinct involved here, so bear with me if it's a bit muddled.

So where I stand with ~1 hour to go is that

I don't feel good about Han or Lea. I feel good about Death, who they are both voting and suspect.

Death's responses slowly get worse, to the point I am almost comfortable going for him. I still don't actually feel any better about either Han or Lea as a result.
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Meanwhile, I feel good about Chris. I don't feel good about Sultan.

Chris votes Sultan and continues to pressure him over something that I honestly don't see as scummy coming from Sultan, and Sultan responds... fine? And honestly, the gutless weasel thing seems too much from someone I feel was a little meeker as Scum.

Chris votes Han, for reasons that I frankly think are bad (I do not understand nor agree on the argument on tmi for Sultan in the slightest).

Frankly, I do not know where in the fucketh I stand right now. The only one of these five players I have zero interest in ever lynching today is Chris. But honestly, I think his argument on Han is weak, I think Death's argument on Han is weak, and I'm not sure I want to go down that angle.

Also, Ulti not reading to the extent he thinks I'm obvious scum and everyone got bored of the pressure makes me think even more it's Town Ulti (I don't really give a shit about the claim, I'll consider it further if I think Ulti is ever in the PoE). I feel like Scum may have at least mentioned that I did a fair bit of work today in passing on their board and made him not make that comment.

htaeD posted...

You want to hear something else Han?
I hope you are scum, Han.
Because if you're not you're gonna get a big blow to your cred if I get lynched.

So once again
Humor
Me

What will you do were I to get lynched (and thus flip town?)

Okay, still catching up (almost done but my god was there a lot of stuff I did not find particularly enticing to trawl through) but the start of this post does not feel particularly genuine? Bleh. Not too sure about relooking at Death but I think I am a little shook by Chris going between Han and Sultan right now. Going to sit down now to be fully present for the final hour.

BCT, catch up as quick as you can. Skim if you gotta. This is looking a pretty important EoD imo.

Catching up. Halfway through the second page of this topic and I am already struggling, partially because I'm just not seeing what I think other players are? The Sultan mixup for what I assume is Ctes and JC was somehow not picked up on forever and then apparently makes him scummier? Idk y'all, that one feels like a Sultanism at that stage.

I am flip-flopping on Death a lil, definitely not as sold as I was yesterday? I'm really unsure on what to make of the impassioned posts, because I don't think it's something he does very often. That said... I don't think there's been anything wrong with the angry-ish posts? They aren't great, but they also don't twig anything in me. When we talk about Death flinching, I feel like it's more about him withering under pressure. This game he puffed up his chest and started getting mouthy - it's a tad atypical, but I can't truthfully call it scummy in itself.

SirChris posted...

Oh sorry

I meant the han one you wanted me to look at!

ohhh

Page 1 of topic 2, #37.

Actually gone now. Be back in like 2 1/2 hours.

Tatami

SirChris posted...

Sheep do you have the an unvote of you handy/a page number?

Lea posted...

Sheep is so incredibly reasonable, I'm not used to that in mafia games, I feel kinda bad now

##unvote

Context is like the first three pages of topic two, this was post #109. I was mostly joking when I said the unvote was something particularly good, but it did genuinely feel well timed and natural given how the conversation went.

the above post was coincidental and not at all due to Chris' appearance

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Now he is saying the exact opposite about ulti and Han

Hm. When did he say this? You're allowed to change opinions, and I think we all kinda agreed that the Ulti vote started off as bait, but I think the context from which this came changes it a lot.

Gonna take a break for a while, I've been here pretty much constantly this afternoon and don't think I am getting much more in my head right now. I'll be back at least a couple hours before deadline.

Unfortunately I'm gonna be getting nothing from FE Awakening Mafia. I forgot how much Death was a wet blanket there, every post was bad, he rolled over and prayed people wouldn't kill him because he was being boring and it worked for like a day. Much more fire here, but I don't think that's a correct comparison to even bother with where he has more recent Scum games that are pretty good.

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I like this answer, honestly. I'm not too interested in lynching Death today, but I'm a little more nervous than I was at the start of the day, because he still hasn't done his weird little Town thing where he posts the exact same thing I was thinking without me saying it. Doesn't happen every game, but it'd be a lovely tipoff. I do like that he's gotten mad and actually voted, though! More content for us. I wanna go back and have a look at how ScumDeath responded to similar D1 pressure in Fire Emblem mafia, because I don't think it was nearly this angry.

Also, I do kinda like voting when people think you aren't serious about it! I feel it works better if you have a couple people following you on there, and then you slowly turn the screw to make them think it is real.

Also the lazy option is fine sometimes but only if all of the un-lazy options seem worse (they are very much not). I would be more concerned if people were actually voting MZero, but voicing suspicion in itself is more than sensible.

Okay, the first post I actively think is good from Lea (aside from the one where she unvotes me) is in this topic, post 156. I think it's very easy for Scum to jump on JC there - he's one of the safest and probably easiest lynches today, and to rule him out as an option so early is not something Scum does lightly, so major Town points for Lea should JC be Town.

I disagree, Sultan. I think MZero typically has a bit more spark when he's Town. In Elden Ring he definitely had a bit of verve and in Nickelodeon he was verbose and accurate enough that we found him worth killing.

Lea ISO is underway (curse you for making me turn sigs back on). I find myself repeatedly entertained yet underwhelmed. There's really not a lot going on content-wise until I claim, and I think she has decent points and sounds fairly aggressive there, but it's not anything notable? Probably the most impressive thing she's done thus far (which, fair, she does kinda reference it as being the main spectacle of the day). Her backing off felt natural and I think she pressed enough to get what she wanted out, but it's nothing spectacular.

I am kinda curious, though - when exactly did your opinion on Death become genuine, or is it still kinda fuzzy and just the best of the options (it's understandable if that is the case given D1 and shit).

I also meant to add earlier but kinda forgot: I found it interesting that Death added me to his kill list, considering I felt a lot like he was soft-defending me earlier in the day, or trying to give me outs to prove my towniness. I think some of that is just a Death thing, but I think it's an interesting pick, and he's basically the only person I take issue with having put me in their kill list.

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I like Han too! But he's still on my scumlist, unfortunately. I suppose my earlier statement of the whole game looking bad enough that you wanna kill us all holds kinda true, if this is your threshold.

EDumey posted...

Fair enough on the MZero point. I don't have the experience with him specifically to know, but I'll trust player reads if everyone is pinging on the same thing.

I think this also comes partially with the territory of the game (at least imo). Not too many players have looked offensively bad so far (at least imo), so MZero being mildly less active than typical is up there with the worst.

wallmasterz posted...

I mean it makes sense there are more posts on d1 than any other day because there are more players, but specifically wondering if this is normal post count wise

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. It's a lot for a small game, but this has been very content-heavy, plus Chris and Crescent bump up the post number by like half a topic each day they're alive.

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tyty, just wanted to have this out there for reference mostly.

I think I understand or can easily infer all of the others, but why Han?

I appreciate Crescent giving a few more opinions when prodded. Glad to have those out on the table.

Lea, on the other hand... Idk girl I gotta just assume your kill list is Me/Death/Chris at this point and you don't like anyone enough to veto them.

SirChris posted...

So the angle you are thinking here is town ulti does a thing. One scum hops on early as it is a bit of a power move of sorts? Bold as you might call it.

Hm. I need to think more about if ScumSultan does it. Possibly if he gets swept up in it, less likely as a calculated move. I think Lea is probably more likely either way (part of why I voted her - I honestly don't see what the vote does beyond whimsy).

Wow Death voting more than five hours before deadline!

You show em boyo

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I'm afraid I need it signed in blood so you can't escape mislynch in case I end up thinking you're Town.

SirChris posted...

True but do you think scum just pile onto me here?

Probably not. I doubt Ulti/Sultan is Scum/Scum, but then I'm feeling much better about Ulti than you seem to be. Lea/Sultan would also be bold, but I'd kinda expect there to be one scum between the two.

htaeD posted...

Why do you need support to release an ISO is my question in return.

oh I don't need support for the ISO (though it would be much appreciated!), I just need support for the vote, especially if I find something juicy.

SirChris posted...

Feels like a big hero play for scum Sultan but maybe he's got his big boy boots on.

Sultan is a big boy now. He's probably still scared of Chris but I don't think it's so much he wouldn't engage, and the fact that it took prompting for him to do up his velcro concerns me.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Also, I felt good about Crescent the entire day but this topic in particular I don't think she's tracked.

I don't think this topic has been particularly strong from her like the other two, but is there anything that stands out to you?

Hey Death

What would it take to get you to join me on Lea? I've still got the ISO lined up in my schedule and I'm wondering who'd be willing to climb aboard.

I'm actually going slightly the opposite way and am concerned that Sultan is voting you now in response to you calling him out for his lack of nibbling.

##Vote: Lea

Thought this over a little, but I'm actually pretty comfortable with it. Three votes on people I like (or know) as Town and with minimal fire behind them. Let's tango.

Crescent-Moon posted...

People who don't know my playstyle wanting to kill me early is pretty par for the course, though at least Dumey did explain why.

I have my three vetos at the moment: Wall, BCT, and Death. The issue with JC before is it felt like he was getting an inordinate amount of pressure, then we realized he wasn't actually getting voted and that pressure was just surface level. Now Death is getting voted (including by someone who pressured JC, then followed JC right onto him), but without any real pressure. The train just exists for no reason I can quantify and it makes me not trust it at all.

Not sure on the murders yet.

I do like your game so far, but I would like to have the info out there regardless, please. I doubt that all ten of the remaining players are on the same level of suspicion for you?

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I was waiting for a little while in hope but just gonna say it - the nerve to comment yet not participate! She wants to know everyone's secrets but is unwilling to tell her own. For shame, woman.

I find it very odd that both Dumey and Ctes put Crescent on their lists. I understand what Dumey has seen that irked them, but I really don't think that's enough to have Crescent up there, and it absolutely feels like it was natural from Crescent given how standoffish she was to me at the beginning. Ctes needs to just expand that read, straight-up.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

So do you know how I play as both alignments or not? Because according to your reasoning for your bait (which confirms that I am actively thinking you're not Scum for that, which means I am actively trying to determine if you are Scum or not), you know how I act perfectly as both alignments.

But really, it just seems you're full of it.

Mhmm, I'm omnipotent and always know your exact plan no matter your alignment.

I think if someone did not put their flavour claim in their role claim, you would probably say roughly what you did, based on your analytical style of play. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not. Or maybe I really am full of it and trying to get a rise out of you. Who knows?

Also fwiw I feel pretty decent about Chris, especially in this topic. Which is a little concerning because I have never felt this good about him, but at the same time I will worry about that if he is still alive D2.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

See, this is why I can't firmly put you in my Town category, because I can't for a second believe this is true.

It's also, like, intentionally ignoring how I do act as Scum.

Meh, I doubt I'm gonna convince you but it's truthful. I've said everything I want to on the matter.

How would you say you act as scum that's relevant to this? I genuinely don't think I have the experience of seeing it to know what you're getting att (I've played with you as Scum like three times ever?), although I do think you're far less assured or comfortable when not Town.

That's not a list of three vetos, Dumey! You aren't getting away that easy.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Meh I guess. This is true. Maybe I should stop trying to read Chris its probably a bad idea

Nah, don't stop in the slightest. We need people to try and read Chris or we get stomped the second he rolls scum. Think about it from a different angle - what are the motivations for Chris to act the way he is as Town, or to act this way as Scum?

I'm not seeing enough of Chris' lists y'all. Can't wait to rule of three all these day 4.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

So you intentionally did something to get a reaction out of me, with zero purpose to getting a reaction out of me?

The purpose was partially to get you off me, and partially for my own amusement. I think wanting your vote elsewhere is purpose enough.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

This is the stuff I was alluding to earlier this seems so bossy and egotistical. But the fact you say if Han is town kill me tomorrow give me pause why would scum give themselves this much attention?

Sultan. I am not fond of this post. You have played with Chris before, you know how assertive he is regardless of alignment, and I know for a fact you can comprehend more layers to a post than this. It doesn't matter in the slightest if Chris draws attention and you know that.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Didn't you leave out your flavor in your claim as bait to me?

I think it's basically a null tell and you would mention it as a reason I'm more likely Town regardless of your alignment.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

If anything, you did help convince our community to err away from N1 unblockables. Excepting the dayvig game...

Isn't this specifically a logical inconsistency?

How so?

SirChris posted...

Look at my kill list
Look at who has voted jc

Okay understandable, I half forgot that Sultan voted JC because it was so low-key. Sultan was close to my kill list, but his aggression towards me after I suspected him felt rather genuine.

Murder: Han, Lea, MZero (this is pretty hard and just the first names that came to mind, because there's really nobody I feel rough on just yet and I have basically zero compelling reason to feel good on any of these).

Veto: Wall, Crescent, Death (a little easier, although I almost put Ulti in over Death! I don't think anything could convince me to lynch the first two, while I still haven't gotten The Tell which would make me all but certain Death is Town).

How come you're vetoing JC, Chris? Specifically the Han relation?

I think gladiatoring Han and MZero would be funny. Not useful, but funny.

oh hey ignore that post Ulti came to the same conclusion during the time I did not refresh

UltimaterializerX posted...

I absolutely promise Im not picking on you and that Im using the kiddiest of kid gloves. Anyone with Ulti exp can vouch.

Not to put words in their mouth, but I do think part of their point is that it's irritating and unhelpful using the kid gloves when Wall seems a good enough player. From my own perspective, I don't know if you've been reading, but I think Wall is a very solid townread and it does seem a little like you're engaging with the least useful part of the topic.

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