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I did another quick skim. It seems like requiring unvotes happened post-Fettbox, but pre-mafia board. It didn't look to be a result of Dels bringing mafia to CE.

Now I'm just curious to see how this started. But I think logging faqs goes back to the beginning of using that Mafia board anyway, so idk.

Q. What if this is intentional to setup Corrik?
A. In over a decade of playing mafia I dont think I have ever seen anyone do this because towns never look this over. If it was a setup Im pretty confidant someone would have banged the war drum over it by now that wasnt me

This doesn't seem snarky

Not sure if that necessarily means anything. Scum defending town with weak reasoning sometimes is due to them knowing they are town

What's the point?

Only other thing I'd noticed was I felt Sheep's "Ben defended ctes lots" argument from today seemed blown out of proportion. Ben mentioned ctes once by my count?

I think honing in on this as a huge thing is odd. Am I wrong? I am isoing on mobile so it's quite possible I missed some.

Sheep007 posted...
Sorry Ben, can you elaborate on the roleblocker part? Given we are still yet to see a roleblocker, I'm curious to know where you got it from.

Thought this post was odd too. What are you going for here?

I don't recall this occurring. So I would say if sheep nailed Ben it was quiet enough to be a bus.

What is that supposed to mean? I'm not too keen on lynching Lopen right now, honestly.

He is the easiest guy to pressure as scum. He lets stuff slide off of him and he's really hard to lynch. I'm not sure sheep has played here enough to know this but it is why I felt him coming in an saying Corrik is lazy looked real bad (because I havent felt he's been unreasonably lazy after the first bit of the game), then doubling back and saying he was town today, much worse in fact because I'm not sure how that evolved beyond seeing that people weren't biting on scum Corrik.

No, this is probably the first time I've expressed any of that. Thanks for getting it out of me I guess! I usually hold back a lot until someone has become scum through POE, because it's a lot easier to find actual accurate evidence for someone being town than someone being scum

So you're also suspicious of Lea, too, eh?

I had similar thoughts when I was reviewing the game yesterday. I need to do a proper ISO of her, but I get the feeling she's been mostly pushing her "look at the inactives" agenda and making humorous quips.

Like, don't get me wrong, I fundamentally agree with Lea's stance on inactives. But I don't think she's really dug into anyone besides Ben, who we see now is scum. Moreover, I feel like she doesn't have much to say about anyone else.

This might just be my paranoia of not seeing a scum Lea in a long time, but I recall that in SW&P Mafia that she had rather weak reads, or at least, that's what I recall from when I was in this game. I don't feel like her read list said anything too substantial.

Probably Lopen.

Day 1 I never put him on my town list because while he was active he seemed very self aware. I'm not following his logic today. Yes, I barely follow it when he's town too, but I havent gotten the same level of town conspiracy Lopen that I cleared him for last game. He is calling me scum which I dont like. I find it weird he didnt factor in you or Ctes at all when making his grand ol analysis that was supposed to solve the game.

He did admit himself day 1 that he would be playing this game differently, but I really liked a point someone made (I think it was Lea?), that the last time he said he was going to play differently he ended up being scum.

No, this is probably the first time I've expressed any of that. Thanks for getting it out of me I guess! I usually hold back a lot until someone has become scum through POE, because it's a lot easier to find actual accurate evidence for someone being town than someone being scum

I basically entered the game day 2. I'd like to day Ctes and Corrik are town for posts I highlighted day 2. Han actually had a pretty good summary right before he died of where my head is at

Elaborate. What interactions did Lopen have with Ben and Ctes that made you feel those ways? You have once again brought up an argument for Ben doing something toward Lopen and Ctes, rather than the other way around. You seem pretty fixated on Ben, huh?

One more thing... you think Lea is Town. You are now considering Corrik as Town. You don't think Lopen has been scummy this game.

Then who is the remaining scum? You say I'm scum with Ben. Surely you're not gonna say the fourth is Plum, are you?

Because although it's possible that there are three scum, we are better off playing this day as if there were four.

Honestly I felt like the kills looked like someone trying to emulate corrik kills from my very last game and trying to paint me. And I can't say Lopen trying to make me miserable all game alive in this while painting me for the mislynch.

But, I have been withdrawn from it and don't feel like getting too big into it. Plum obviously knew day 1 I was purposely trying to emulate reds power (arsonist) day 1 playstyle to get scum to target me day 1 until I just got aggravated and went fuck it towards the end of day 1. That's why I said I don't think Plum says that out loud if he wasn't town.

Okay ninja'd. You've offered thoughts on Corrik in response to me providing my own reads.

But I want you to tell me your thoughts on Lopen before I answer you about Lea.

I respect ya, Lea, and for what it's worth, I found your quips hilarious... but prove me wrong. Even Han said you were rather quiet this game.

I would say i can prove it by letting me death delay plum like I've been doing, but scum could easily just role block me and kill plum. So we have no choice but to kill the role blocker today

I'm not confident enough in the state of the game to say who to lynch, but I don't feel bad about Corrik. He's totally capable of changing his scum playstyle, which was an argument brought up with regard to how differently he's playing compared to last game, but I feel like scum Corrik wouldn't be so invested in debating the flavor split with Han and coming to the complete, wrong conclusion by misinterpreting Han's post.

Something about that felt genuine, especially when Isquen's flip clearly shows that the split is liquors vs. non-liquors. So scum knows the flavor split for absolutely sure.

Let's just assume Marth is scum for a minute.

I wanna look at this list. Cuz it's interesting. In that it's probably too right and too strategically set up.

Town
Jc
Lopen
Abacus

I already said JC and Marth can't be scum together. If Marth is scum, JC has to he town and thus this is right. He will claim he is my friend I can read him well yadda yadda bullshit okay.

Lopen and Abacus like I said are probably town. So let's just assume these 3 are all correct. Endearing scum, and look at me I am playing well some yay.

Now we got Lean Town

This is where you would throw a scum or two in the batch to not have to go after them but also keep up you are playing good.

Lea
Plum
Han
Isquen

Lea and Plum are probably Town. Han and isquen are the issue, moreso isquen stands out as a wtf. Like, how do you have isquen probably Town. Han I am not convinced is town, but I felt had more odds of being scum with JC. However, if Marth is scum the top 3 are definitely Town and there is 1 or 2 scum in this probably list and it's not Lea or Plum.

No idea
Red
Corrik

I'm Town. See nothing to suggest red is scum. Starting our mislynch pool. But keeping stronger players in "someone else please let me follow these" trains.

Kinda scummy
Ctes
Sbell

One of these likely to be scum if Marth is scum.

Scum
Ben
Mzero

One of these is guaranteed to be scum here.

How many players do this game have?

14.

4 scum.

Marth, Ctes/Sbell, Ben/Mzero, Isquen/Han.

Let's just throw this out there.

Marth, Mzero, Isquen for now.

Ctes Sbell and Han are the final scum. Likely in that exact order of likelihood.

Okay see you day 2.

I think I had Marth, and 3 either ors after that. Forget who.