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Crescent-Moon posted...

Red would've had... An approximately 1 1/2 minute window to hammer me.

I would have hammered the shit out of you if I were scum. 100%.

wallmasterz posted...

Day 2 - did not vote sbell, voted Corrik.
Day 3 - voted Corrik.
Day 4 - voted Isquen.
Day 5 - voted Wallz.

Anyways wallz, town can be wrong, surprisingly. You are overlooking a couple things.
A) Did not try to save kirby
B) Did not try to save sbell(In fact, the opposite)

Beyond that, Isquen was a null lynch. It was merely gameplay because it literally did no harm and reduced the PoE.

wallmasterz posted...

Thank you. I dont think youre scum. I re-read through end of day 2 and think its blatantly red.

Wasn't end of day 2 me basically "I'm at work but this sbell claim smells".

This is kind of funny to come in to because in Crescent's eyes I should basically be confirmed town at this point(You all know how hammer happy I get, and how invested I get in mafia when I smell victory). If I were scum I would have just been F5'ing this topic and hammering Lea.

If I had to come in here and just drop a vote no one talking, I vote Lea. If I had to vote based on the last two days only(This F3 and yesterday), I probably just drop it on Crescent.

Grand_Kirby posted...

The thing is I never followed accounts for people's opinions or politics or stuff like that, I followed art accounts, meme and fun content accounts, and official media accounts (for their announcements and press releases). Being able to just scroll quickly and scan all the new stuff everyday is what made Twitter great for me. Other social media sites just weren't as simple or convenient and Twitter burning to the ground is a big loss in that regard

I ended up using twitter for almost all of those things but my primary use for twitter has always been sports twitter, which was somehow actually good and useful. From actual good sources of news to links to interesting articles to just...getting a feel of what fanbases are feeling. Pretty much mostly good. You can't really get that level of engagement, especially with live sports, anywhere else(Without being at the sport itself).

But sports twitter will drain hundreds of a "Rate limit" in a short time. So its dead for now.

TeamRocketElite posted...

Does it count ads towards the 600?

yes.

No.

##Vote: wallz

Fine, time to see what this day makes.

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If wall flips town it means I am wrong somewhere.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Also Red the fun part is I never once brought up Ulti thinking I was town, I only brought up Ulti thinking Wall was town, until it came up in discourse between Lea/Wall and Lea immediately tried to discredit Ulti's town read on me.

Again, its typical scumplay. You let town think they are making an argument when in fact you just left the trail for them.

(Reiterating, this argument is being made outside my own view, pure devils advocating)

I do wish Crescent would stop making "Crescent is scum" arguments that she doesn't realize shes making.

My needle isn't moved but.

Crescent has 2 kills to make, Ulti and Isquen. You kill ulti first because you can parade around "ulti thought I was town" forever and never hear anything different, you basically have to kill him anyway for ease of game so whats it matter.

"I know wall is town and i'll bet on it" when you know you aren't really the alternative lynch for the day in everyone elses mind. You leave wall up, you lynch the other, you watch as everyone shows up the next day, the two growl and vote each other, and bam, crescent win.

(My mind is not changed, but if somehow crescent played us, just throwing this up for fun with DTC)

Want to lynch lea? No. If wall is scum it means I've been on the ball and everything in my head has been right all this time. If wall flips town, got to have an idea of where you want to head before you hit that point.

Isquen posted...

If we're somehow in a 3v2 situation, I'm feeling it's Wallz and Crescent. If it's 4v1, I'm still wondering.

If it is 3v2 Sultan is going to have issues again, tbh.

If people still didn't get it. I'm in "Burn wall, if town burn lea" because we have too much soft power on the table and someones probably lying. Wallz been the one in my PoE for awhile, mind you.

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Honestly, was just fishing to see if anyone would bite on this harder. But it never really got substantially brought up. It has been in the back of my mind to mention for awhile, I assure you.

wallmasterz posted...

I re-read the game today and it occurred to me unless Crescent is lying about her role but still town (very unlikely although hi Isquen), Lopen being killed n1 was a deliberate choice by scum.

We've pretty much known it was a deliberate choice since SBell tried to claim the redirect. He claimed that knowing no one in town could counter that. As roleblocker he isn't going to claim something that would get countered and then get him melted.

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I think there was one more lynch after that?

But day 1 and n1 went as normal. Han my mason buddy got shot in the day. Day ended. Sultan was going to disable our mason board. We said this wasn't standard practice and weren't prepared for it. But then I got shot so it didn't matter anyway.

I was super hyped for masons with han and then just..game over.

wallmasterz posted...

Thats just nitpicking my wording.

Your wording is already nitpicking.

wallmasterz posted...

Thats just nitpicking my wording. My point is you were making excuses for your lack of enthusiasm about playing. I havent seen a lot of scum games for you, but I remember reading Paper Mario and you acted similarly to this. Its fine if you want to say its not compelling gameplay discussion but it sounds like it is at least relevant and worth considering.

You say I have no enthusiasm, but honestly I've had a fair bit for me. This characterization has honestly been so perplexing this game. Nevermind the continued fault for being inactive at times when I was literally sleeping.

I'm pretty sure we are only dealing with 1 scum just from the way everyone has lined up so the point is mostly moot. But it is still not an original thought.

wallmasterz posted...

Despite Lea getting or faking being big mad about me playing this fine game of mafia and directing serious suspicion and pressure her way without any personal insults or inappropriate conduct, I just thought of a reason why Lea is probably not the optimal lynch today (my gut hasnt changed about her though).

If Lea is scum with Red (or anyone technically), I feel like she wouldve faked a scan by IGCD. She couldve started the day saying hey guys this was our gambit and also IGCD scanned Wallz guilty. No one wouldve blinked, I highly doubt I survive that. If theres two scum left, only one mislynch was and still is needed for scum to win, the game wouldve been over.

Now this doesnt clear Lea. It could be that Lea is the last scum standing. In this case she couldnt fake an IGCD scan because when that person flipped town and not miller, we would know she faked the scan. If theres one scum left they need two mislynches.

This was pointed out yesterday. It is not an original thought.

I mean, you are free to take it that way. But it really isn't the most compelling of gameplay discussions.

Not happy playing is not "not feeling like playing". If I'm not feeling like playing I just wont play.

You were also the one to float the redirect claim that Sbell ended up using.

None of those are complaining about not feeling like playing.

The first is me actively playing. The second is me literally venting frustration at people making detrimental plays(And the host not giving sufficient night time, nevermind that he outed me as having no night action if scum wanted to be really mean and pay attention to my timestamps or discord status).

The third is literally gladiate killing fire. Killing fire is not complaining about feeling like playing. Fire in mafia is, well, not that easy to fire up if things aren't lined up right.

wallmasterz posted...

not actively questioning or suspecting anyone.

Also actively not true. I had a town lean on everyone but you and Isquen yesterday.

I don't think this was ever unclear.

wallmasterz posted...

complaining about not feeling like playing,

source?

Anyway, reiterating that while I suppose its possible Abacus made a good fake out. It was 5-3, a contentious lynch still. Kirby isn't posting like someone that is giving up. If we assume 3 man scum team, scum really doesn't necessarily want to cut bait with a team member if they don't have to. Abacus shows up and basically brings down a hammer to kirby(Not quite, but 6-3 in the morning like that is tone-changing when it could have gone 5-4). I don't think there is a way I would consider that slot to be scum.

I think you have made a stretch. And that doesn't make sense in context because in that game Sultan didn't really join, he literally melted day 1 in like an hour.

Also "unfortunately" was a keyword I gave to peaf specifically so he'd know I was telling the truth. He went from "Red is 85% scum" to immediately being like "wait no".

Obellisk posted... Well, this was fun.

I shouldn't have signed up for another mafia game when I was starting the new job anyway.

I'd say I hope town can whip this one around but we all know that we don't have that capability these days.

Obellisk posted...

Forced to defend myself before I could start playing

attacked for defending myself.

words being put in my mouth and actual words I speak being twisted to fit a narrative.

Everyone jumping on.

take your claim and kindly shove it.

These were in response to Lea putting sbell -1.

These were great acting jobs by sbell if Lea is scum btw. I don't typically buy getting close to personal in response to a scummate piling on to you. Sbell got real defeatist there in a hurry.

Hell your pointing out peaf to Lopen while Lopen is sitting with his vote on sbell.

I'd rather look for reasons to be able to point people as town than point why they are scum.

If you want an answer as I have read over a couple hundred posts of topic 1 recently. SBell is on the ropes and your talk is a bunch of stuff regarding things not sbell.

PoE is gameplay.

(And if Isquen is scum the host is banned forever)

wallmasterz posted...

What is so obviously scummy about my gameplay, red?

Less about scummy(Scummy requires more digging, PoE, less so), more about PoE. Lea had IGCD support, Isquen unlynchable, Crescent/Abacus had a couple stand out moments that felt like they probably didn't come from scum(Its been a little while since I read it back, but Abacus basically showed up to lynch kirby).

You don't really have those individual moments that scream more than blending in.

That isn't to say your claim and unlynchable together don't sound odd as well, mind you. The angle people have taken just doesn't quite match as well as what we actually have on the table.

wallmasterz posted...

Red, now that you decided to play mafia again for the first time in I dont know how many posts (Im literally isoing you right now), what is so obvious in my gameplay? That post absolutely stinks to me because at this point, I think the only reason to even consider me scum is youre just thoroughly convinced unlynchable and my role cant exist. Me and crescent were the one two punch that, without us, sbell doesnt get murdered.

oh no I showed up to play mafia after not being busy for the day how totally horrible.

Honestly, unlynchable and your role have very little actual game interaction. If I read right, you aren't "tree stump" as people have been calling it, but you are claiming you get to talk after death. You don't really change the numbers. Unlynchable is considerably stronger.

The weird interaction with you is actually on top of mason recruiter. Which is an argument I am surprised you haven't really gone towards.

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Also as the person that rages and bites at people. For the love of everything stop taking mafia so personal. Its fine to scratch and claw and tell people their arguments are fucking stupid. But keep it to the game.

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Perspective check, assuming one of you is scum, your path to victory is the other+me. This whole exchange makes me trust you slightly less. Role wise, mason recruiter fits the least.

Gameplay wise so far, it still feels like wallz is the obvious answer.

That said, need to do due diligence. I'm not sure if it ever got asked, but do you have a full list of everything you and IGCD breadcrumbed?

doesnt count if its against the A's.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Red's slight push on SBell near the end of day 2 was extremely weak, while he practically idled out on Corrik.

Okay way out of context here. I was at work at the end of day 2 and the only thing I could post were things I could sneak in without really being noticed.

And I definitely didn't fucking idle out corrik. Its not idling out when you guys end the day when I'm sleeping and I was definitely not fucking idle that day.

Metroid Dread

red xiii

okay so I have a problem with your claim. At an even number of players, there is 0 reason for you to ever claim unlynchable here.

You basically have scum in a trapped scenario where they would out themselves to hammer and try claim victory only to end up royally screwed. Its something you could literally just hold in your pocket.

Coming up and going "lol I'm unlynchable but also don't lynch me" definitely makes me raise some eyebrows.

Isquen posted...

Also, awfully convenient for Crescent to vanish completely. Mind you that she was one of the biggest advocates for Corrik getting lynched yesterday, and I obliged like a jackass. Where's that gloating at now, hm?

Someone please remind me if she claimed anything. Meanwhile, I'll olive branch: I am super confident in not getting mislynched today, because I *can't.* I'm unlynchable, not godfather. This is why I doubt wallz's claim in particular.

The simple thing to do would be nail red and stop overthinking it, but then it means wallz or crescent remains if we indeed had 4 scum. It also means, if godfather is so common and we now have no cops, that one of the remaining has an innocent scan under their belt. What did the actual cop claim before?

My unlynchable status, by the way, is why I've been super suspicious of wallz since his claim.

Yes, I get that this means I'm probably dying tonight.

The right play at 6 is to test this, I think.

And that isn't to say I hate early hammers. But I always find the 24 hour break in days to be important. Not just for reading back, but kind of as a cleanser to stew in my own head. When I wake up and see the day ended and theres some single digit number of hours til the day starts, I really miss that.

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Isquen ending the day early rubs me the wrong way a lot. I think that is box 1 to start. I don't doubt you in the slightest either. The obvious answer is Isquen/Wallz but I haven't had time to check everything. I don't like early day ends and I especially don't like early starts. Especially when I am at my usual weird hour sleep schedule.

UltimaterializerX posted...

When I think of Red, I think of scum.

If we refuse to lynch this scan result its as dumb as refusing to lynch Lea the scum puppet. Like sometimes you just take the 35000 foot view and stop overthinking things. If Red is town, hey I can accept losing to a flavor trap. Whatever.

He literally withheld the rest of his line which got to an "unfortunately" and i literally filled in the blank for him. I didn't tiptoe around having to quote but not quote my role PM just to have people think I'm scum for it.

I am kind of curious because technically that isn't identical syntax to my role PM. But that is likely just a quirk from sultan(It is in fact, word for word out of the PM) so thats more curiosity of sultan's choice than anything game-involving.

Like, I can give you the short summary of what has basically already been said.

Sultan knew my town rep but his biggest memory of me was our scum game together where he bit the dust early and things looked bleak but I(With help mind you but this didn't make it to the PM) ran it back anyway. Then some talk about how it was unfortunate I rolled town so he'll have to see if my old rep can hold and I have no powers.

Thats basically it.