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Mewtwo59 posted...

I can't believe they let the Reba four survive both of those Tirbal Councils. Drew was a sitting duck and they just let him slide by.

I wish the edit did any explaining of how Drew was just not a possibility

cant wait for people to get cancelled for explaining why theyre excited for a ghostbusters movie

edit: and the poorly stated opinions that will get people cancelled

shane15 posted...

One thing i do hope they fix in 6 is having more than one big city area. The problem with 5 is they gave you this amazing city and then the rest of the map was filled with pretty much nothing in comparison.

one time I ran over a hiker at the peak of the mountain and a cop car suddenly appeared and jumped from/off the other side of the peak over top of me and then down the side within 7 seconds

cops on mountains doesnt sound like nothing to me tbhhhhhh

_Blur_ posted...

Rise of Skywalker is at the very least a competent film technically and have perfectly fine dialogue. 1 and 2 are horrid movies in every way.

okay the end of episode 2 is kinda cool

2 has general grievous dont u dare

We dont want Microsoft having call of duty in their monopoly is funny in retrospect

Kefka
Auron

At a time

Blaziken posted...

Felicia's brother died, not Bowie's.

I wildly misread that post wow

Inviso posted...

I mean, they're never going to show the trio of two young, fit guys and an Australian DJ bullying a 63-year-old woman (whose brother apparently died the week she and Mecole were on the block together, and she never told anyone else in the house), so they rushed through everyone to get through a pretty obvious and boring elimination.

I swear, it's like Bowie, Jag and Matt keep taking turns making terrible game moves, but none of it matters since one of them now HAS to win.

did fbj ever tell anyone and is she going to drop that bomb at f2 if she makes it?!

mcflubbin posted...

Might get this when it's $5

oh I have to pay money to see if its bad

Barret
Yuna

sorry for being such chaos but wow changmas was so right that i was clearly dumb town

if i go, this lynch will give a lot of info at least

good luck town

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Yeah wtf? Why we lynching corrik here?

for me it's

"i am still not a fan of corrik given he seems to think that killing a (not actually) indy that already did the one thing it can do once the entire game instead of scum. he honestly suggested i have to kill 3 people or something to get a reward. i won't be killing anyone else."

Obellisk posted...

jc vote wallz

why him over brohan

the brohan post chang just shared was atrocious

##unvote
##vote: corrik

claim? i can move to brohan if people don't move to corrik

changmas posted...

uhhh i'm running out of time here to make a case so let's try and make this quick

(the corrik post is what brohan quoted, for context.)
this post felt really scummy for me. it's very strange to me that of all the posts he could have commented on, he picked corrik going off the deep end suggesting JC has multiple additional kills that he can somehow do without using the box / getting lynched and said "yeah this sounds reasonable". and basically doesn't say much of substance, much like he's done all game.

it kinda feels like he just pops in every once in a while, picks one or two choice posts to be like "yeah that sounds good to me" and just plops his vote down on somebody. maybe he's overwhelmed or whatever but to me it just looks scummy to just be a bystander agreeing with some truly inane shit. it feels like designed to make corrik think he's onto something and keep going off the deep end on some of these theories.

and on day 1 which i no longer have time to go back and pull he's like randomly vote swapping a bunch without saying much of anything which i don't particularly care for either.

this makes me want to lynch one of corrik or brohan so bad

i had this typed and refreshed before posting:

wallmasterz posted...

Im here, I dont have a ton to say about the last 150 posts. I wouldnt say I feel good about Death or brohan but seeing sultan and Corrik on jc definitely raises an eyebrow more so for me because sultan and Corrik are in my current Poe, and Corrik started day talking about how hes been trying so hard to bury Ashe and now were tied 3-3 and Corrik is on not Ashe. Hmm hmm hmmmm if Ashe flips scum. Means nothing if Ashe is town obviously.

this is an interesting observation indeed. i am still not a fan of corrik given he seems to think that killing a (not actually) indy that already did the one thing it can do once the entire game instead of scum. he honestly suggested i have to kill 3 people or something to get a reward. i won't be killing anyone else.

to be clear i meant i saw death say brohan said he had an interview

While Brohan is not around to claim he has been under watch by Death, Sultan, BCT, chang, and Sultan

did he ever say he wasn't going to be around? death said something about some interview at one point i think but that doesn't explain the complete absence?

i think we're still waiting on wallz?

and keen to see changmas' case on brohan, he has been reasonable all day

Death is not here and left his vote on ash

So is ashs lie the main reason people are on him generally?

Corrik7 posted...

Doesn't matter. And this is the second time you like tongue in cheeked you are 3p now.

why would I include town on that list when you arent entertaining it, dont pretend that was a slip.

general apologies for my irritability this game everyone, I am cutting nicotine out at the moment. Not an excuse, just context

red13n posted...

That wasn't stop scum hunting. Thats "we arent lynching out of left field an hour left in the day".

There is hardly a consensus on me. You guys cant even agree if Im scum or Indy. get off your high horse

red13n posted...

BCT don't mean to ruin your thunder here but it feels too late for tangents.

like sorry how is stop scum hunting a town post

red13n posted...

honestly i read back i'm not sure what hes referring to in the old topic. He didn't make it clear when he was Pinhead. He claimed knowledge of the switch which at least to me was way the fuck out of left field. And then he was claiming to use an ability he shouldn't have had access to until the switch with night actions confirmed host locked at 24 hours, before the switch. And we don't have a game reason to not just hide this ability til the switch(Or make it wait an extra day for use).

my intuitive trait gave me access to the post-switch ability before the switch, that was the whole point of the trait. pretty straightforward. I knew I was going to switch when I got the PM at the start of N1.

unless you think Im making up that part because ???

so uh

does the above change anything >.>

Leafeon13N posted...

Honestly JC when I have questions about things that may have gone over my head at a time its easier to just ask than go digging.

i mean yes it's easier to ask than to dig but what is that an excuse for? you asked me a question, i told you where the answer was, and you clearly didn't care about the answer since you formed your entire opinion without feeling like you had to follow up and get that answer.

@hosts can we have votals

if i get lynched as town because half the people on me think i'm independent and half the people on me think i'm scum i will literally lol

save_us.changmas

Corrik7 posted...

Nothing you say here means anything. You would be saying this regardless if I am completely right or not.

don't pretend i don't have to still say it to address your conjecture which means even less

also it would be dumb for him to come back given my role caused him to win

like how can he win and come back

as far as i am aware FD has just been completely removed from the game, including all chats he may have been a part of. if he comes back it's a surprise to me.

EDumey posted...

Did you respond to my paragraph about Red? What exactly are we "letting him off the hook" from?

I know this is a thing that we struggle with every single mafia game, but wanting to dive off of the people we might actually have information and can make some informed reads on, and onto a player you think is inactive, just isn't appealing at all. Like yeah, we have to have a way of dealing with lower activity players at some point. But I gotta have an argument to vote someone, personally.

red has not engaged with the last two days of game. it's not that he's been inactive, it's that he's been active but has demonstrated absolutely no mental flexibility or willingness to entertain possibilities about my role. you believe i'm scum, but you've discussed it with me. red has just come in and said 'jc's role is scum'.

Like, why bother even asking me to clarify the order of events if the answer isn't going to change your view? Clearly it wasn't, because he asked the question and then stopped caring about the answer. red's mind was not open to being changed, so why was he asking questions?

say that you're alive d4 with red, what has he given you today to work from? he just goes 'oh well i guess i was wrong about jc' and you have absolutely nothing. he is deliberately hiding in the background coasting on my lynch because it's easy.

like seriously why are we all just letting red off the hook here

EDumey posted...

While you're answering that, consider the idea that Ashe has been in the lead all day and we've only had a couple people like Chang really come out and champion him as town. That could either mean scum is content to let a town Ashe get killed. Or scum doesn't want to risk defending him when he's likely dead sooner or later.

See this is my worry with both the trains on myself and Ash. It seems way too easy. Like scum doesn't have to rush to the defense of their scummates because they've got easy lynches ahead of them. It's too quiet. Scum is happy with where the votes are right now.

EDumey posted...

And truly, even if you lied about the BP, and spared FD, and said, "Hey scum you can't shoot me now" what are they gonna do? Waste a strongman shot on you? Shoot you anyway to test your bluff? It's functionally the same thing as actually getting it. But now by killing someone and being untargettable, you've made yourself unable to be scanned to be verified. Which is yet another awfully convenient thing to have happen if you were scum or anti-town.

if you saw how fast i pulled the trigger on FD you would probably not be thinking that i considered how awfully convenient these things are. my plan was to try to draw stuff to me with the BP bluff if i spared, and then if i killed, it would have ideally been a target that wouldn't have drawn suspicion on me because town would have discussed and agreed to stuff, etc.

but then FD just went and solved the box and i dm'd isquen in about 6 seconds.

just remember that by suggesting i am scum you are putting forward the idea that this was some kind of master plan that went wrong instead of me just being an idiot and kind of a dick. occam's razor is that i'm an idiot and kind of a dick.

htaeD posted...

so the box dies with you after all?

for the most part, yes. it would have lasted until someone solved it, and then when day ended and i hadn't spared or killed, it would have defaulted to sparing. i went back and checked and it looks like if i was dead, whoever solved the box would still have been roleblocked and vote-restricted until the sparing actually technically happened but the chain hunt would have ended otherwise.

EDumey posted...

Sorry I shouldn't be so aggressive with you. My bad. I've just heard you do the whole "Why would I do this as scum?" thing all day, and I'm done with it. It's always been a WIFOM question. Any scenario in which you would utter that phrase answers your own question. You would do it as scum because it would appear to town to be something scum wouldn't do. It's always been a pet peeve of mine, even when it's players like Han that do it.

i 100% fully agree with your statement but the problem is that i have no choice. ESPECIALLY when everyone else keeps saying 'there's no town equity there's no town equity'. like i didn't bring town and scum equity into the discussion here. isn't the only natural response 'well okay tell me what the scum equity is'.

like people keep saying this role is inherently scum so i have to explain this is why my behavior doesn't make sense as scum. the nature of the role, on top of how i played it, kind of forces us into this kind of stupid debate. yes, it's wifom, but truly, what else do i have?

Ashethan posted...

To be fair, yesterday you said:

and fwiw (this responds to dumey as well) we are dealing with decisions at two different points in time.

1. the decision to claim initially
2. the decision to lie about the default outcome

i didn't plan to lie about the default outcome until people were threatening to lynch me. so you have to treat those as independent decisions based off of context.

EDumey posted...

It's all WIFOM, please shut up about it. You're not gaining any ground with this. You claimed because you thought getting out ahead of it would give you town credit, and you were essentially host confirmed to have this role. If you're able to convince people that this was a town role, then you coast to endgame. That's the equity. That's the reason you claim. Also the fact that you DIDN'T tell us default was spare. You told us default was kill. So YOUR LIE TO TOWN led us to believe that if we lynched you, then an extra death on FD would happen anyway. You can't say "Why would I claim as scum if scenario B" when you actively chose scenario A instead. The hypothetical is bunk.

don't go off on me for asking people what the scum equity in something is when i've been harangued all day about what my town equity was. i'm allowed to flip the question back to people.

like your point is valid but don't tell me to shut up when i'm just doing exactly what other people have done to me

oh i didn't realize that was soliciting a response

ashethan was included on that list primarily because poe but then i engaged with them and was satisfied enough with their answers about lying about their killer/survivor status n1. it's a fair comment that i didn't pressure them, but i certainly engaged and inquired to get more information.

htaeD posted...

JC respond to the Ethan thing please

I also guess the lack of interest in a Brohan lynch is clear in the air.

which thing i'm looking but don't see anything i'm blind

EDumey posted...

I mean it's hard to really classify what happened with the box as an extra kill? I mean technically yes it did take away one of our lynches? But it didn't have to? We could have lynched JC instead of ever interacting with the box?

If that's what scum extra kill is being considered, then sure, 4 scum in 17 with no extra night kills probably makes sense. But I think you know what I meant when I said no extra kills. Just that there's only been one flip per night.

you know this post has me thinking

say i was scum. i start chain hunt. you guys lynch me. default is spare, person survives (acknowledging i said kill yesterday but again, clarifying today to say that the default was spare).

what is the scum equity in claiming at all if that gives town the ability to completely mitigate the effect of the chain hunt by lynching me. why would i claim as scum?

Leafeon13N posted...

You said pages in this topic that were in the future.

i said [the topic] because the entirety of d2 was in one topic

you didn't even try to make what i said make sense

Leafeon13N posted...

Oh i got distracted by Ashe basically claiming scum and then IGCD. i meant to ask you what posts you were referring to exactly so that i didn't have to hunt.

i literally gave you pages to go check. i'm not hunting for you.

red13n posted...

The order of events here needs clarification.

Red, I explained the order of events and you never commented on whether it placated your curiosity.

Why did my answer move or not move the needle, respectively?

EDumey posted...

I do believe a town JC with this role could just throw it out as soon as possible just to make sure he gets a chance to use it, even if it's not strategically the best available option. >_>

i went back and reread and i am quite sad that dumey voted me given this comment

and then i went back to look at whether i could ask dumey if he was comfortable with his vote on me given that most of the pressure on me is currently from red and corrik, and could not find any opinions of dumey on red and corrik.

dumey - who is your scumteam and are you comfortable with the individuals who are putting pressure on me right now? who am i scum with?