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Why? You continue arguing against a point I never made. I'll bold it this time

A MAGICAL SPELL THAT DOESN'T CONJURE A PHYSICAL ATTACK

That's my initial statement, the thing you claimed to have debunked and yet have provided nothing but physical attacks like lightning.

Half of those aren't even a thing. Conventional Superman being the way he's been written since the Bronze Age barring outlying events such as the time he was split into 2 beings with electrical powers. It nearly isn't as complicated as you're making it out to be

Dear lord... Again, you're the one making the claim. I never was making any claim but taking issue with yours. Your claim is akin to claiming Superman is a murdering dictator because he did so in the Injustice universe. That's not who conventional Superman is and neither is the one you attribute this never seen before power to.

They are! As recent as last year Felix Faust landed an illusion spell on him. And unless Faust is working with some powerful entity he is low on the DC magic totem pole.

Again, you're trying to turn this into a thing I haven't been discussing with you. I've never made the claim a certain FF character would be able to kill Superman. I've made the counter claim in regards to yours that non physical magic affects Superman while magic conjuring a physical thing like fire or lighting doesn't or does very little. That's it. Because that's a thing that's been shown throughout the ages to work on any conventionally written Superman.

Because when someone makes the bold claim that Superman is somehow pretty much invulnerable to magic unless cast by an extremely powerful wizard that claim isn't made about characters that aren't written to be conventional Superman.

I didn't. It's literally in the very first reply I made to you. Try to keep up.

If you don't know, why even make bold claims when you aren't knowledgeable on the subject?
I mean, I get DC's history can be confusing as fuck. But any Superman fan knows what you mean by main universe, conventional Superman. Hint: They don't mean a bunch of alternate versions or Silver Age Superman.

Because conventional Superman isn't capable of what you're claiming of. Just like conventional Batman isn't a vampire that eats his villains.

Same here. And I agree 100% with that statement. But that's not what you and I started to discuss. You made the claim that magic only affects Superman if extremely potent. Which isn't true in any way, shape or form.

.....yes, the person arguing in favor of the JL this entire time and has been tackling this match-up with different versions of DC characters obviously is looking to get a win over Superman...
Again, the issue I take is with your non factual claim which you still haven't proven to be true.

Do you know what non physical means? And that lightning is a physical thing?

There is a single person in this topic that even mentioned Lulu casting a fire spell and that would be me. So how wouldn't I assume it wasn't directed at me when I was the only one mentioning anything of the sort in conjunction with the previous line being directed at me?

And we're obviously discussing the main universe regular ass Superman. Not some alternate universe Superman as there are versions literally powered by magic.

Okay, now try doing that with a panel that obviously doesn't feature an out of universe Superman. I can post panels of Batman being a vampire and eating his villains, but people would take issue if I were to claim Batman is a vampire that eats his villains.

Show me one single example that proves a non physical magical attack has to be really potent in order to have an effect on Superman. Just one.

..what? Try reading my initial reply to you again. I'll wait. It's clear you're arguing against something I've never even stated to begin with.

When two guys from the DCAU fight from a disagreement:
https://youtu.be/dxOl5X5glbQ

The fact that things like mind control, illusion,... spells have been shown to work on him before? Spells that don't conjure something physical to attack him with. He has straight-up stated multiple times he has little to no defense against magic.
Wonder Woman's sword is able to cut him because of its enchantments and it's not like DC's Greek pantheon are the universal beings you claim Superman to be.
I could easily ask you the same question in that where are you getting it from that he's able to no-sell those types of magic? His physical strength and defense which has been shown to not apply in those cases?

Because by your logic we could just go "Why would you assume all JL attacks would hurt and aren't just are the same as if your Str and MG stats are 1."

I think it's safe to say abilities do what the abilities do regardless. Rather than randomly assuming Zanmato stops doing what it does when done to Batman.

1. That's being disingenious. You know full well a punch from superman would take out a planet. I don't even know why I have to explain this.
2. You're relying on possible "effects" of a character based in his own universe. Whilst a planetary punch, is still a planetary punch, regardless of a universe.
3. You're putting a baseline on each and every spell and effect these characters possess, possibly putting them at God level of power, which is ridiculous.
4. If that truly was the case, Lulu or Tidus should be able to stop the universe if their time magic abilities could affect a being that can literally influence universes with their power. There is no logic here.
5. I didn't say Batman.

But a spell like Stop or Doom would have effect on him all the same, no matter the magical strength of the caster.

Yojimbo is also a bit of a Dark Horse in this.

I think any DC hero could take him in a straight fair-fight but if he did Zanmato he'd win instantly and kill everyone.

If the FF Crew kept him back would the JL realize the threat and take him out first before it's too late?

I stole that pic from 4chan

Aina, please do a music video with some Ikemen so I can get a fire sale on all of your merch

https://i.imgur.com/6s6usdg.jpg

Are you trolling, or are you just struggling to understand? I am not saying that the act of liking an idol is any more weird than liking a band. I am saying that everywhere in the world, including Japan, finds the obsession with idols to the point that if the idol in question is seen with a guy it becomes a serious threat to their safety due to the potential of getting attacked super weird. Like, do you not get that I am keeping this to the topic in question or something? This topic isn't about all idol stuffs, but specifically about how one is getting threats because she dared to have a music video with a guy in it. Everyone in the world thinks that people like that are weird, it's not some sort of mystical thing that only exists in the west.

The initial premise was that you said that thinking that "And yeah theres also a weird side to it in the eyes of a westerner", and my premise is that no it is literally everywhere that thinks that the idol culture thing is weird and it is almost exclusively people that are into said idol culture that think that this sort of deal is actually not so.

The initial premise was that you said that thinking that "And yeah theres also a weird side to it in the eyes of a westerner", and my premise is that no it is literally everywhere that thinks that the idol culture thing is weird and it is almost exclusively people that are into said idol culture that think that this sort of deal is actually not so.

n addition the main reason that there is any amount of it being considered "not so" is pretty much exclusively a weeb thing, as it even exists in people who are into idol stuff (specifically the level of fanaticism that would cause things like death threats). And that includes people in Asia. Instead it is mostly just a weeb "this is how the other culture thinks about things" far more than anything else as to the misperception that you have.

Correct. The closest equivalent is something like Paris Syndrome, but even then it doesn't quite encapsulate the complete disconnect from reality that many weebs portray.

I think with Japan specifically, they have a stereotype of behaving a certain way and flaunting their fandom in ways people interested in other cultures don't.

I say weeb rather than idol lover because an idol lover would include people from Japan but the only people who have such a tiny view of the country are those whose entire view of the country's inhabitants came exclusively through a mono-cultural anime lens. Thus "weebs" as they are the people whose brains cannot fathom that Japan isn't just a homogenous moe-blob.

Every culture thinks its weird. It's mostly just weebs who think it isn't.

And people still want idol culture to be the standard in Vtubing outside of Japan. This is exacly why people embrace Phase Connect and Vshojo in droves, fans want some talent freedom instead of the cooped up idol culture, because you get a better product and less of this crap.

If Japan likes youth so much why aren't they fucking to make more youth

She's 26... why is she pretending to be a high school girl

Why is the Idol scene still big in Japan anyway?

America got over the Teen Idol phase sometime in the mid-00s.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/0/3/AAZZ9kAAE8oH.png

oh shit, party finder worked

40 minutes after creating it, i got a group of 15 and we steamrolled the raid

now i can proceed to the 2/3rd mark and then hopefully pf will work its magic tomorrow

I hope JULIA or Sakura Miura show up in Yakuza before they retire. I'm glad they got Anri Okits before she did >_>

Yes both looking incredibly generic

Oh hell yeah. Definitely top tier hostess in K2.

Koyuki > Yuki > Kirara > rest

Yuki sucked in 0, but aging to 39 years or whatever made her s rank in my heart >_>

I like playing as Ai Uehara in Yakuza 0's karaoke minigame because I want to bang her IRL >_>