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Scotty_Rogers posted...

Both are crap, but Naruto is objectively better.

There is no legitimate argument for DBZ supposedly being better. As far as writing goes, the entire Dragon Ball franchise is garbage. People only like it because it's babby's first anime; nostalgia goggles all over.

it's not trying to be anything except a dumb action movie

To me, it's like trying to shit on Commando or something for having poor writing. Yeah, sure, but the tone & story don't need it to be some magnum opus. It's stupid and it seems pretty aware that it's stupid.

I say this as somebody who watched a lot of anime (including both Naruto and One Piece) way before ever watching DBZ and I ended up still enjoying the Kai episodes I watched. It might be a pacing thing since Kai cuts out a lot of filler, but the writing really wasn't an issue for me when I saw it. It wasn't trying to be taken seriously.
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Trayvon posted...

how about the one piece anime?

too long

I watched up to a long, much-hyped arc that turned out to be a huge disappointment (long-time watchers will know what I'm talking about) and I just couldn't go on. I loved the series up to that point and probably quit in part because of burnout but I'm afraid to revisit it because

1: I don't think it'll reach the peak it got to again, which had me compelled

2: I don't have the time to marathon hundreds of episodes, and i know for a fact that they went with a slow pace instead of poor-quality filler. This is a show that had bad pacing to begin with.

It's an Everest-like commitment as an anime and most people I know much prefer the manga, so I'd recommend that.
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Naruto's first part has better writing and (as far as non-Kai is concerned) better pacing when you exclude filler episodes, which are pretty sparse until a certain point in the original anime and can all be summarily skipped since they're all together in between part 1 & 2.

However, the tones are so completely different that I don't even feel like it's worth comparing. You get similarities in shonen works but actual storytelling rules come into play that clearly set up Naruto as something more serious and DBZ as something more self-aware.

I think the best tonal comparison (regardless of quality or value) is Naruto = DC and DBZ = Marvel. They're both part of an overarching genre with similar tropes but strike very different tones.

Neither are really that great.

Naruto is absolutely infuriating when it goes off the rails and turns into a shitshow for most of Part 2 (with a couple of exceptions that don't redeem the whole thing) because it wasted the potential part 1 had.

As somebody who has no nostalgia for DBZ and came in on it when Kai aired, I enjoy the Kai variant as entertainment. I'd hate it if it were paced any slower (it's already really slow) and the cast being really endearing is the main thing I like about it.
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Blo posted...

As loathsome as Paul Ryan is, Dennis Hastert molested children. So, you know.

This all came to light after he was speaker and afaik happened decades prior

I'm mostly referring to how people felt when X was actually speaker. Hastert is obviously the worse person between the two.
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i can't think of somebody as universally hated while in office, Republicans and Democrats alike seem celebratory over him choosing not to run again
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I thought it was a mediocre movie with a large number of flaws. I don't see how this makes my taste in film poor.
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masterpug53 posted...

At this moment I can't think of a more stereotypical member of the toxic fanbase than TC.

pretty much

dude acts like TLJ is the worst movie ever
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Questionmarktarius posted...

So did Grievous.

grevious was trained by dooku to be fair
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All three seasons of Fargo and season 4 of Game of Thrones
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hockeybub89 posted...

Let's think about this for a second. Wouldn't it be easier to just not put Rey in that situation if this was part of the nefarious plot to make her a Mary Sue, rather than a bad edit for some reason?

Well, yeah. What would actually have happened is the brief scene where she got cut would've been cut since that's an actual injury as a result of the fight and this made her weaker.

People have a terrible understanding of what a "Mary Sue" is. The case to make one is so hugely circumstantial and hefty and it's based way less in what directly happens to the characters or what their abilities are and has more to do with how they interact with the world that they inhabit in terms of themes or consequences as a result of what they do.

That's because the term originated from fanfiction material and fanfiction self-inserts (which have a lot of overlap) tend to follow a pattern of narcissism on the part of the author. A good example from the ST is probably Rey fixing a broken aspect of the Falcon easily, for instance, when its long-term pilot couldn't. Overpowered abilities are usually an extension of this, but there's typically groundwork that lays the case out for a character being a Mary Sue external to their abilities.

No-selling a stab might be an element (depending on the context of the scene) but that's clearly not the intention of the director because no reference to it ever comes up and the OP's best attempt to sell that idea is from an extremely hard-to-catch two second blip.
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So your argument is that an error in editing (a frequent occurrence in movies) is evidence Rey is a Mary Sue? Wtf?

The reason it was edited it was almost certainly because it was a missed flub in choreography that they fixed in post-production. Mediocre movies having bad editing isn't some massive revelation.
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shoutouts to Scooby Doo: Night of 100 Frights

though I'd hesitate to call it "great", and it's hard as fuck
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I also liked the Spongebob Movie game but it was way less polished and you could tell that it needed another couple of months but was rushed out. It was more linear, re-used missions a lot, had a LOT of audio glitches, etc. But elements of it (especially the hidden stages) were fun as hell
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I don't think it's top 5 all-time but I'd call it an underrated classic. As much as I adore it, I think it lacks polish in some areas since it wasn't developed by a tier 1 studio, so you get weird glitches here and there. Still, it was an important part of my childhood and I found that it had a lot of replayability, and it's a pretty huge game.

It was definitely ignored because licensed games were notorious for being shovelware. BfBB isn't even close to being shovelware but it's hard to get people to care when they were burned the prior 99 times, so the game was (sadly) never given much of a chance and exists as a niche title.
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there's like a dozen people from different associations and backgrounds, too, so I'm pretty inclined to even believe the crazy shit since Michaud in particular seems like absolute human garbage
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what they did to Holly Brown really shouldn't even be legal, but I can't imagine it was

there's a point where Doug goes from "Unprepared nitwit in over his head" to "gigantic asshole fucking people over for no good reason"

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patreon was a godsend

people give ebegging shit but it's better than having this, and this CA example is exactly what would happen all the time instead of you getting isolated examples of content mismanagement

I think Vinesauce is the only similarly made "team" that has really worked from what I've seen but they never force the brand and only really convene for the charity once a year and otherwise keep to themselves without drama.
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ALSO the people on set were paid in "exposure" and the revenue from what I understand was used to recoup the costs of production (at least for some of their stuff, I'm not sure if that was the case for To Boldly Flee)
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Bad_Mojo posted...

It's quicker to read it, which you can do here -

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WZFkR__B3Mk9EYQglvislMUx9HWvWhOaBP820UBa4dA/preview#heading=h.cj8xwf4ljdlg

thanks for the link

I like Down the Rabbit Hole and I have 7 hours of stuff so I'm just listening, shit's pretty nuts
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WZFkR__B3Mk9EYQglvislMUx9HWvWhOaBP820UBa4dA/preview#heading=h.cj8xwf4ljdlg (link, thanks to bad mojo)

(what I'm listening to while I do some work)

I'm appalled at the utter incompetence of these guys. What the fuck. I thought this whole thing was harassment allegations (that's part of it) but the bulk of it so far is describing what I can only describe as the worst mismanagement I've ever heard of. 18 hour shoots for an amateur film that the Walker brother can't manage for shit. Wtf?

I feel terrible for these people and I feel bad that I was ever a fan of Doug Walker. These people were treated like complete shit.
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ThyCorndog posted...

I agree with her on the censorship and blanket labeling of people and slandering of people

she lost me on the nationalist/supremacist thing tho. i've never seen a white nationalist who wasn't also a white supremacist. one time a white nationalist told me he wasn't a supremacist because asians and jews were smart too... lmao

maybe we should just call white Identitarians radical weeaboos
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Is Black Nationalism / Black Excellence also Supremacist?

I'm not familiar with "Black Excellence" as a term, but I would assume Black Nationalism is probably Supremacist and racist, yes.
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So why call it Nationalism? I don't really know. You could probably say that any form of race-based nationalism is supremacist, so it's all the same thing, and the self-identified Nationalist term is misused by those groups in an attempt to make their ideology more palatable so they can slowly lure people into being more extreme. "Nationalist" is a way more neutral term that "Supremacist".

I think that's probably why. Even white supremacist groups try to rebrand their intentions to look less insane. Some remove Nazi symbols or make the references more obscure (ranging from obscure symbols related to Himmler or apartheid state flags from 30-40 years ago) and then you have the long lasting and ongoing effort to make the Confederacy look more sympathetic via the Lost Cause movement.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

But what is "race-based nationalism"? If we are removing the entirety of "nationalism's" relevance, then why is the word used? Why do they call themselves white nationalists if there's nothing national about it? Why should I call them nationalists if there's nothing national about them?

It'd be like describing the event that kickstarted the big bang "god." Sure, I could, but why would I?

There are technically "National" aspects to the idea of White Nationalism. The issue is that it feels like a PR face for supremacy, because the "Nationalistic" aspect comes from those groups uniting around their identity as being white and seeking to keep whites as the majority in a country. The nationalistic idea is that the nation should remain mostly white. Some outright support ethno-states.

This almost inherently must involve some level of Supremacy, really, because all of their arguments strongly imply it.

-It pretty much universally wants to villainize minorities, as the justification for specifically aiming to remain the majority race requires you to explain why other races are inferior. For political convenience, Hispanic and Black Americans take the bulk of the heat from these groups. I rarely see Asians take heat from them because they really like Japan being a modern example of a mostly successful ethno-state.

-IQ is brought into the picture as an argument that whites are superior (therefor should be kept as the majority in a nation.)

-Some support making Montana, Wyoming, and (I think) the Dakotas as an ethno-state since those states are majority white and the land size is significant. There are obvious logistical issues there since minorities exist there, but that's the most cited location, and the justification for an ethno-state delves into going all-in on "white people are innately better" as a narrative.

They try to pepper it by touting the accomplishments of the white race but I've yet to see white nationalists who merely tout the accomplishments of their race and don't seek to undermine other races or elevate their own as something "special". It's just divisive by its very nature and I think all paths involving it lead to outright Supremacy.
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National Socialist Party

these people really aren't subtle are they
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Zero_Destroyer posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

Also, there is a pretty significant difference between nationalism and supremacy, no matter how often they may be found together.

I don't really agree with this. You're right insofar that they are different levels of extremes, but White Nationalists at best enable Supremacists. They are all scum.

I don't know what nuance she was trying to find in differentiating between the two, so I can't speak to that. Based on what she said in the video in the OP though, she did nothing wrong in that regard and is being devoured by her own side for nothing more than what amounts to an ideological purity test.

I don't disagree, I want to make it clear that I'm not accusing her of being an alt-righter since I would consider that a serious thing to say

The video comes off more as drama shit than anything else
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Dragonblade01 posted...

They are fundamentally different. Nationalists focus inward to protect or further their group. Supremacy is the idea that your group is intrinsically better than other groups.

Now, it's true that supremacy can, and many times has been, the main or at least one motivating factor behind nationalist beliefs. However, it's absolutely important to recognize that it isn't necessarily so. For example, a nationalist can desire to protect their culture not because they think it's better, but because they value the individual cultures and choose to focus on theirs. Similarly, they can choose to further their group over others for entirely pragmatic reasons rather than ones rooted in supremacist ideology.

I feel like you think I'm referring to Nationalism itself and not specifically race-based White Nationalism. If not, then what you're describing doesn't represent any White Nationalists that I'm aware of; the self-identified ones all spout the same kind of rhetoric or do not condemn the peers of theirs that do. It's the kind of rhetoric that espouses themselves as victims to minority groups and the whole thing is laced with anti-semitism.

Unite the Right was full of self-proclaimed white nationalists who did nothing to condemn the leagues of people touting Nazi imagery and put little effort to disassociate, especially in the presence of their peers.

None of this really has to do with country-based Nationalism. That kind of nationalism can lead to extreme ideas, but it isn't anywhere near as inherently divisive and propaganda-spreading as race-based nationalism, which is what I'm referring too, and I believe supporting etho-states (something that many self-proclaimed white nationalists do) is inherently racist as an idea.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

Also, there is a pretty significant difference between nationalism and supremacy, no matter how often they may be found together.

I don't really agree with this. You're right insofar that they are different levels of extremes and that Supremacists are more likely to be extreme, but White Nationalists at best enable Supremacists. They are all scum.
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also I went from a Sargon fan to unabashedly hating his persona in the span of the last 6 months and that clip of him laughing at the victim's death after buying into the heart attack propaganda really doesn't help
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcoYKuoiUrY&;

I like this guy's videos a lot (for the most part) even if I don't always agree with what he says. This in particular is probably my favorite, published recently

The police are to blame for a good chunk of what went wrong since they were incompetent in their planning of how to manage the rally, but the segments discussing the alt-right - especially the massive number of Nazi symbols used that went into the obscure and the 5 minute segment of these people saying abhorrent shit - really made me mad. These people are just awful and I can't imagine what fucked them up in life to have such evil ideas about society. Jesus.

these people should absolutely be considered a terrorist threat, by the way. Going "just memes oololloool" isn't acceptable when your movement is doused in rhetoric and propaganda literally straight from the Nazi regime. You should be under surveillance if you are openly participating in a movement whose stated goals are to commit genocide.
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Brad Jones escaping TGWTG unscathed by drama is a happy ending for me, he was always the most entertaining dude there
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this is a gold mine, about on the tier of T_D in the unintentional comedy trainwreck scale

some top post is Dan Rather referencing the recent Sinclair incident but the top comments are so nuts that the heart of the controversy takes a backseat on this sub to the sheer insanity that is the rare LARPing communist

incredible portion of some guy's (gilded) post talking about how we might reach the point of "justified revolution" (all in relation to the Sinclair media stuff)

I'd like to take the opportunity of this miniscule degree of visibility to say that if we are ever to revolt, it can not start (as I'm sure we're all aware) with an attack on the government. Their trillion dollar military could crush an army of a hundred million. If we're going to bust the ...um... "pitchforks" out, it needs to be against the ones who actually call the shots. An invasion of, say, Fox Studios or any number of other corporate headquarters and campuses would go much further in sending a message, would be much more disruptive and effective, and would result in far less proletarian slaughter. Just a thought, while we're on the subject.

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Me and some buddies talked about Luke's ST character not working long before TLJ even came out since TFA and the really basic structure of Star Wars made it evident his isolation was going to be based on a "great failure".

The problem with it is that he developed as a character in the OT and moved past such hefty challenges in the OT that the idea of him becoming jaded or brash is something that is totally alien to the character of Luke. Without a lot of development, it doesn't work, and we get so little info and backstory in the two decade gap between 6 and 7 that it's not convincing in 8.

I had resigned to Luke not being "Luke" going into TLJ and I think I had a better first impression that most. Outside of the OT's context, Luke's character in TLJ is fine, and hardly the worst part of what is a horribly uneven film. With the context of the OT, it feels like a thematic betrayal of the source material, something the PT didn't even manage to do despite its large number of (sometimes crippling) flaws.
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...with misconduct

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/judge-rape-victim-close-your-legs-john-russo-new-jersey-complaint-a8281356.html

A judge who asked a woman if she tried to close her legs during an alleged rape has been charged with misconduct.

State Superior Court Judge John Russo made the comment during a 2016 hearing in which a woman was seeking a restraining order against a man she accused of forcing her to have sex.

Do you know how to stop somebody from having intercourse with you? the judge asked, according to a transcript contained in the complaint alleging judicial misconduct.

When the woman said she did, and that one way was to flee, Mr Russo continued: Close your legs? Call the police? Did you do any of those things?

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take your meds kids
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MakoReizei posted...

Hogg sucks. She shouldn't have apologized

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rekt lmfao
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Best wishes, man. I don't have experience with this disease, but my mother had heart failure for a while and I know chronic diseases can be really ugly to face. I hope you kick its ass and that you get a ton of support along the way.
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Lorcus posted...

fjb posted...

Resolution posted...

DundiesAward posted...

I will take one for the team and post the Dawkins post that the friend of a friend said led to the cops saying fuck this guy and arresting him. Not sure if I can post their conversation.

PM the conversation

*Cough*

fjb posted...

Resolution posted...

DundiesAward posted...

I will take one for the team and post the Dawkins post that the friend of a friend said led to the cops saying fuck this guy and arresting him. Not sure if I can post their conversation.

PM the conversation

*Cough*

cough
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how long will PMMachine last
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i just dont understand what you hope to achieve
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no, hoth
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