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Anisoptera posted...

only edgy people think having kids is selfish. only edgy people unironically quote or link that Utopia scene

I've never seen that show so I wasn't quoting it. In spite of their choice to put forth the argument in an edgy manner, doesn't change the kernels of truth he was talking about.

In a world as populated as ours, is adding another really necessary? Why not adopt? I haven't met someone that can give me a non-selfish reason for having a child. It's always "I want a little me" or "I want a family", all of which has an impact and is inherently based on one's ego.

I already said the act of raising a child is selfless. The time, effort, and money put in to raise one. The sacrifices parents make in order to offer a better opportunity for their children. I'm not saying having a child makes you a selfish person, because selfish people don't raise children well and that implies making judgments about one's character (which isn't what I'm trying to do). I'm saying it's a selfish act and may partially explain why there seem to be a lot of bad parents out there because the requirements of raising a child are the exact opposite of what drives people toward having them.

People are entitled to having children. I'm not advocating that they don't. But my wife and I don't want children and I have to say, people who automatically made the decision to have kids tend to be real huge dicks towards us. They treat us like the bad guys for not making the same decision they do. And when they fume, and vent, and moan about the sacrifices they have to make in order to support their child, it really does come back to the idea that: the decision to have the kid in the first place was selfish.
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I contend that the decision to have kids is a very selfish act, albeit raising a kid is very selfless. So most parents who go into parenthood without critically assessing why they want kids and whether or not they're in a good position to at the moment end up very unsatisfied/unhappy.
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I think a lot of the criticisms of the main series by SW fans are absolutely ridiculous, including a lot of the points surrounding TLJ.

That being said I watched Solo and wasn't impressed. It's a very soul-less movie. I reasons I disliked it were different from what I expected them to be. I thought the actor did a good job of portraying Han, which I didn't expect. It's just the movie felt like an action movie with a star wars theme rather than a star wars movie. So in that regard it deserves an average rating at best for the quality of its action and isn't being propped up by the fame of its series.

This story didn't need to be made. I'd much rather prefer star wars spin offs from totally novel story arcs developing off of already the rich lore. It then becomes new rather than knowing exactly what happens in the movie and just puts on screen a dozen things that have been referenced in the older movies.
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COVxy posted...

Been an influx of shitty users lately, makes conversation boring and/or impossible.

I'm sure it's just alts of the usual suspects.
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Basic science is the stepping stone to more direct applications. You can't just fish in the dark for new advancements in engineering, medicine, technology without the framework and theory.

To uncouple that process is hubris (from the more "applied" scientists).
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135 posted...

ArchiePeck posted...

I'm curious, 135, what sort of sex life

this is 100% irrelevant. Every guy gets preselected by women at different rates based off of their looks, money, status, and location. I can tell you aren't red pilled for you to even ask this stupid question. And yes, WOMEN are the CHOOSERS.

ArchiePeck posted...

has this dismissive "women only think like this" attitude gotten you, while the rest of us have gotten on with our lives treating women as individual humans?

uh yes, especially in the western world where women are by default hypergamous. And no, if you are implying that i'm "misogynistic" that is far from the truth. Women just want to date the hot guys as much as men want to date the hot girls. Is that so difficult to understand?

You must be a blast at parties.
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Self improvement is not exclusive to those communities and when you peel back the veneer, what's left is this insidiously toxic culture. I don't blame them, because it's a reaction to their experiences, but when the mind is confronted with admitting its own shortcomings it tends to warp the narrative a bit.

The seduction and pick up artist communities are too algorithmic when it comes to human behavior. It's so very obvious as a result of their past failures/rejections. It becomes an intellectualization, of putting together the right chain of actions and statements for the goal of either sex or a relationship, like a recipe. It's so far removed from what it means to have a genuine connection with another person that the few kernels of truth don't make the overarching message any more palatable.

TheRedPill is more a community of projection. Their unsuccess has nothing to do with them, it's the inherently bad nature of half the population. This is the more maladaptive of the two communities. I think with seduction, there is at least this implicit acceptance of "I need to change things for more romantic success." But TheRedPill will rationalize it away by blaming the external world. It's women. It's society. It's other men. They don't see the common denominator.

So yeah, self improvement is a good thing, but don't let empty platitudes lure you into communities that really aren't that healthy. You can find that without the baggage.
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It's like the people bitching about the Witcher netflix series having "too diverse" of a writing staff.
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MARKINGRAM22 posted...

Yet the most polluted places in the world have powerful central governments.

Shocker, it's almost like regulatory capture is a thing and governments are fallible. I'm not talking in absolutes. Obviously when government oversight becomes corrupt, the outcome isn't favorable either.

Both scenarios, the outcome is related to the exploitative nature of man. When the underlying assumption is that the watchdog does its job, it's better than just magically pretending corporations are going to make the ethical decision at the expense of their bottom line.
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MorbidFaithless posted...

What makes her conservative exactly

She doesn't understand that free markets are all about the bottom line, and offshore drilling can be safe when done properly, but disastrous if corners are cut to save money (which is often the case in her economic ideology). So claiming to care about the environment is either ignorance or facetiousness, because without regulation the chances of an accident as a result of cutting corners goes up. Kind of like fracking.

She's early 20s, so probably still in her undergraduate. She doesn't have real life experience and probably is just a mimic of her parent's political ideologies. One can try and pressure their political party to change, but that's like trying to swim upstream. I think she just hasn't explored her beliefs too critically yet.
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booboy posted...

You might also check out a new Civic Si. 28/37 MPG, and a frankly unfair amount of features for $24k.

I love my civic si. Sure, other cars in the same tier (I'm looking at you Golf GTI) kind of outclass it, but it's zippy and the gearbox is amazing. And I love the interior.
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>free market solutions
>in favor of offshore drilling
>Eco-cognizant

nickyoung.jpg

She sounds like a liberal who has conservative parents/raised well-off and has a bit of cognitive dissonance, but that's none of my business.
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prince_leo posted...

my wife kept her last name
it has literally never been an issue

if we decide to have kids, and we're both iffy on that right now, we did end up saying they'd have my last name

This is my situation too.
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ImInTHIS posted...

How do people not work in college? I understand rich kids, but do some live off loans?

Yeah they take out loans for tuition + cost of living and live very minimally. Obviously some kids get help from home.

I had need-based grants cover my entire tuition, so my student loans were to cover my cost of living (rent + utilities + food). I worked part time to minimize how much I took out and to have a little extra spending money.
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You apply through FAFSA before you start your term
https://fafsa.ed.gov/

This will determine what grants or scholarships you are eligible for that are need-based, which your school will offer. Anything remaining and your school's financial aid department will contact you regarding options.

For undergraduates you have subsidized vs unsubsidized. Former means the government makes payments on your interest for a time, the latter means they don't. The former is obviously better. Both of those loans generally have better interest rates than options like Parent PLUS loans, but they have a cap on how much you can borrow. Generally, you only get a portion subsidized because of the cap and the rest is unsubsidized. If you go to a particularly expensive school you then may need to dip into Parent PLUS, but most likely the subsidized + unsub will carry you the entire way (if it's a public state school, for example).

People have worked full time and went to college before. Usually they don't take full loads though. Depending on the rigor of your intended program, that might not be advisable. I think virtually everyone should work at least part time in college to help offset some of the cost of living or at the very least give you some money to enjoy yourself. Be frugal in college. Cheap tiny apartments and learning to cook. Eating out and going out to drink is a huuuuge money sink.
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Pay off my student debt, pay off my civic, sell my old 4runner and buy a newer one. Then buy a house whenever I match into for my residency training and start my career off debt-free. Put away 50k or 100k to be liquid in case of emergency in a savings account, invest off the rest somewhere but likely wouldn't be much left at that point.
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When life is good, people make shit up to complain about.
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myzz7 posted...

i super lament that i couldn't have done this earlier in life and that so much time was wasted

Yeah, I understand how you feel. That's definitely a tough pill to swallow in hindsight. I get a sense that somewhere deep down you do wish circumstances are different, right?

myzz7 posted...

the church diocese of my local area gave me some freebie therapy sessions about 6 years ago. i stopped going after 10 visits since they made me miserable. i didn't feel like i was getting much help out of it.

Yeah, that's never good. Maybe it was the therapist. Do you think you'd be willing to try it again with someone different? Perhaps you'd relate to another one better and they might be able to help more.

myzz7 posted...

by near the end of it he wanted to give me meds but i declined. i never been on them. i haven't done any form of help groups or 1 on 1 sessions in years.

Sometimes it can take some titrating to get the right dose or med. A good psychiatrist will work with you to find one that won't cause side effects. And they take a while (6-8 weeks) to really take effect, so it seems like it isn't helping for a while.

myzz7 posted...

i never felt comfortable especially around people my same age. their concerns and interests are always so different from mine. hard to relate. hard to like anyone. self conscious and embarrassed about my weight. i lost lots of weight and gained it back, multiple times, over the years.

Everyone walks their own path. 8 billion people on the planet, so maybe you just haven't found your people yet. Always a chance to stumble upon that niche though.

I wouldn't recommend therapy or meds if I didn't think it helped people. I did 2 months of psych during my med school rotations and I've seen it do a lot of good. You probably qualify for medicaid, so you can get free insurance if cost is an issue. The damnest ironic part about depression is lack of motivation/energy can make it difficult for people to reach out and get help/treatment. Help is out there though.
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I was sad to see him go. One of my favorite characters.
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Ollie/Oliver
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TC, have you been evaluated for major depression? Have you tried therapy or medications in the past?

Disruptions in sleeping patterns, eating habits (i.e. lack of appetite or overeating), lack of interest in things that once interested you, excessive guilt without obvious cause, lack of energy or motivation, trouble concentrating on tasks, feeling physically sluggish. These are all signs that could point to something that is potentially treatable.

You talk about these things in terms of higher education being perceived as easy, but just lack the motivation. If that motivation could be restored, it wouldn't become such a chore. And not to instill my own values, but I find that being able to attempt to find work that fulfills you and supports you wholly would be a lot more fulfilling. But no one expects you to do it with the 50 lbs anchor chained to your feet (depression).
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Unless you buy a premium skin with bright contrasting colors, a funky dance to taunt people with, and a flashy harvesting tool, you won't be doing any 360 noscopes with the sniper as you jump off a cliff to get the Victory #1. Sorry bud.

Prolly looking at $45
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@REMercsChamp
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This scene had me in tears
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AliceofInsanity posted...

If you make and promote memes of the video you are trash.

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NurseRedHeart posted...

Liberals can't even tell what gender they are.

Savage

Alt-righters say transphobic thing in a topic about liberal smugness...you cant make this up

cmon man it was a good burn

I'm liberal and I laughed at that joke.
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lightwarrior78 posted...

Hell, this tread shows the lack of emotional age by not denying what is said, but trying for the "the other kids are bad too" defense I haven't heard since the playground to excuse what they do.

Or you're bad at teasing out facetiousness on the internet. Do you honestly expect people to respond earnestly to a thread starting off with a premise as inflammatory as OP?

Political discourse when disingenuous is responded with trolling. That's been the name of the game of the internet since forever.
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MaverickXeo posted...

http://politics.virginia.edu/gerard-alexander/

I don't think he's a 'conservative.'

He starts the article with, "I know many liberals, and two of them really are my best friends." But yeah, I was a bit facetious with my original post. I'm sure his stance is more nuanced then the dichotomy of our parties as a political scientist....
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sopfed posted...

assuming the convicted person is truly guilty. Without this assumption, execution is even more ridiculous

Which is interesting when you consider, "if someone has been sentenced to death, shouldn't they already be truly guilty?" The fact that some have been put away despite truly innocent, it means we can never be perfectly certain.
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Because type I errors exist.

Someone is sentenced to life and later evidence comes to light that exonerates them. They can be released and given reparations. It's not exactly fair, but it's a start.

Someone is sentenced to the death penalty and dies. Later evidence comes to light that exonerates them. You can't bring them back. They suffered injustice to the highest degree, and it was done by the state we entrust to protect our welfare.

Some people commit horrible crimes and don't deserve life. I wholeheartedly agree. But we cannot stoop to their level. Life in prison without parole effectively takes the danger out of society. It is cheaper than the death penalty given all the appeals process, and one ought not to advocate for a more streamlined process because that necessarily will increase that type I error rate (i.e., more innocents killed by accident).

But I won't let my blood lust get in the way and take a handful of innocent deaths as acceptable toward the goal of making sure some people get what they deserve. A life sentence serves the same role.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_insomnia
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Damn_Underscore posted...

This article isn't bullshit.

Every time someone says all people who voted for Trump are racists you can see there is some truth to this article. And here's the other side: every time a conservative insults "liberal wusses" or something like that, you can see there is some truth to that idea that people need to stop feeling superior to others.

https://imgur.com/RNjYucE
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

cherry pick the teachings to the point where it might not even be recognizable

Huh, almost sounds like a religion I know that starts with a C.
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VectorChaos posted...

Everyone saying "but both sides" after memeing it all this time.

Me sitting here like I been telling you all this time you're both shit excusing your own shit by saying they're shit too in a perpetual cycle of shit you've all been taught to adhere to so the people in power on both sides can divide and shit on us unopposed.

Shit.

I rode on the "both sides are horrible" hedge for a while too, especially considering I've voted for a republican and democrat in the past. But time is starting to delineate a trend that one side is less representative of my values or what I think is a good direction for our country's health as a whole. That's my opinion, of course, and I have to accept the baggage that comes with "sides." But otherwise you sit on the fence for too long and then it's only the extremists of both ideologies driving the car..
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Damn_Underscore posted...

It talks about how liberals think of all Trump supports as bigots, about the recent "racist!" namecalling trend, and about other things that liberals do which are offputting to people. Overall, it talks about how this attitude will get Trump reelected.

The main argument in this topic is "conservatives do it too". That's not an argument. If anything it just shows that what he's saying is correct but incomplete.

Soviet_Poland posted...

DT won under the premise of being anti-establishment because of a frustration with the status quo. Those swing voters amenable to voting either way aren't necessarily his base who blindly [him]. They saw that going against status quo doesn't necessarily mean better. He lost the popular vote after all. His victory isn't so much a chastisement of liberal smugness. If he wins 2020, it'll only be if the democrats double down on 2016 strategy.

Also, I can't resist: "Don't you dare hurt muh feels or I'll reelect the dumpster fire!"

I'll write an opinion piece of on the suicidal nature of the collective conservative consciousness. It'll be equally bullshit, but just as insightful as this topic.
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Sariana21 posted...

I don't know, but I would think drinking extra water should help, as long as that is not otherwise contraindicated. It will dilute your fluids and help flush your system.

Water is fine, but not so much "diluting and flushing" so much as just keeping his blood pressure up.

As Super Saiyan 3 Goku said, max therapeutic dose is 40mg so it won't even lower BP to dangerously low levels anyway. At worst, TC might be a little woozy from being slightly lower than his baseline, but if he's going to bed he'll sleep it off. No harm, no foul.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

Among other things, this will lead to Donald Trump's reelection in 2020.

The flipside being, a reality TV star devaluing the office of the president with scandals, drama, gross conflicts of interest, and unprofessionalism can also lose the reelection because the idea of "take that liberals, stop being so smug" isn't as bullet proof as it seems.

DT won under the premise of being anti-establishment because of a frustration with the status quo. Those swing voters amenable to voting either way aren't necessarily his base who blindly follow dear leader. They saw that going against status quo doesn't necessarily mean better. He lost the popular vote after all. His victory isn't so much a chastisement of liberal smugness. If he wins 2020, it'll only be if the democrats double down on 2016 strategy.
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You're on a baby dose to begin with, you'll be fine.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

And no one disagreeing actually read the article.

I did and I want my two minutes back. It isn't saying anything profound. I've met smug conservatives too. I don't disagree it's a stereotype that liberals can have a holier than thou attitude.

To claim it drives people to the other side though implies those people are making emotional judgements irrespective of the facts, and possibly, against one's best interests.

It's saying, "you might be right, but I don't like you as a person, so I'm going to be your antithesis, for better or for worse."

The Admiral posted...

The kind of smug dismissiveness of valid criticism by liberals in this topic is exactly why this article was written.

It's also a two-way street. I often get conservatives on this board ignoring when I advocate for a more moderate position, when they're interested in just citing the most extreme and outlandish examples of liberal thought. It's also frustrating when certain issues that shouldn't be controversial are. These usually tend to be scientific topics. But if I advocate for certain scientific findings, I'll be lumped into the category of smug liberal and also presumed to have certain beliefs about social or economic policies that I might be more sympathetic to the debate than I'd be given credit for.

So ehhh, forgive me if I think this is a juvenile opinion piece.
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_Near_ posted...

ah yes, blaming liberals for trump

how refreshing

Funny reasoning too. Implying their candidate is a punishment.
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>Conservative posts conservative opinion piece on why liberals suck

Haha, take that liberals.
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One of these days I'll see this presentation on the wards and amaze my attendings with my knowledge of evidence-based management of a classic case of superglue dick.
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silentwing26x posted...

Hopefully that doesn't end up being the case for him. But I don't think it will. Once you get one or two good internships, it doesn't even really matter what school you went to tbqh. At least for the various engineering roles the tech companies I'm familiar with are hiring for.

That's good. I hope he beats the odds then. Or maybe things have shifted over the years and it's not even beating the odds. Either way, good for him.
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Hook, line, and sinker. Well done TC.
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silentwing26x posted...

Honestly, before my brother landed this internship I was really worried and skeptical about Devry. But now I'm kinda changing my tune. If it keeps treating him this well, it will have been well worth the cost.

Hold judgement until he actually gains employment though. And exceptions apply to for-profit schools, but it doesn't mean it's the standard outcome. People still attend medical school in the Caribbean and land gigs here, but it doesn't change the fact that they only get around ~50% placement in a residency program, so they're taking a coinflip's chance with med school debt. It's easy for the one who made it to say it was worth it in hindsight.

Then again, maybe the technical fields are different. But my understanding is their high "job placement" stats are because companies owned by these schools give super low-ball offers to new graduates and even if they don't accept because they're ridiculous they can say it was available.
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When he said drain the swamp, he meant drain the obstructionists to make room for more crony capitalism.
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VectorChaos posted...

All of my rage.

Looool.
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deupd_u posted...

Republicans just want common sense Islam reform.

Which is basically how every muslim in the west practices Islam. And short of the rural regions in the middle east, or the theocratic states, pretty much everywhere else too.

The image of the typical muslim in Republican media mirrors the extreme picture painted by the far end of the other judeochristian faiths, like super orthodox jewish people or WBBC. And we don't treat the extreme examples like the rule, so as far as I can tell, it stems from ignorance or propaganda.
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DoomtheGrav posted...

Its.... really not at all

Tucson and Flagstaff are pretty liberal cities. Phoenix is the outlier, but by far larger than the other two combined. But for being a red city, by and large people are more laid back and chill here than not.

Short of not having beaches, it's a pretty outdoorsy vibe unless you get stuck in some of the inner city areas or the affluent areas like Scottsdale where it's all just commercialism.

I guess you could claim the southwest is its own culture, but by and large it's not like we have our own accents or are hyper religious like the bible belt. We're not in common with the east coast personality at all, but we don't really fit the southern or midwestern vibe either unless you go very rural.

edit: another way to put it is that Arizona is very compartmentalized. The snowbirds and the affluent suburbs are largely fiscal Republicans with more of a religious base. The younger population is pretty much Californian, culturally speaking.
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