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TopicOk this AR-15 thing is getting out of hand.
LordRazziel
02/21/18 8:06:47 PM
#90
AssultTank posted...
LordRazziel posted...
That definition is also used by many gun nuts because it includes more pistols.
I don't use that definition.
There must be a reason mass shooters favor semi-automatic rifles over pistols.
I'm not anti-gun. What I want is for Congress to fund the CDC to research this undeniably serious issue. That seems like the best action to figure out what to do about this mess.

Honestly, because they look scarier. That's the whole reason as far as I can tell.

A pistol would be much more effective in terms of concealment, which would likely lead to being able to get into larger groups before being noticed.

Range could also be a likely factor.
Instead of concealment, they could post up and on some high ground.
This isn't a simple issue. Nobdy can account for all the factors, that's why it needs to be researched.
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TopicOk this AR-15 thing is getting out of hand.
LordRazziel
02/21/18 7:46:08 PM
#88
AssultTank posted...
My whole point is that they're no more dangerous than a Glock 19.

They're only used because they're a popular low powered semi-automatic rifle.

Also, most mass shootings, as defined by anti-gun people as 2+ fatalities, are committed with a pistol and are usually the result of gang violence.

That definition is also used by many gun nuts because it includes more pistols.
I don't use that definition.
There must be a reason mass shooters favor semi-automatic rifles over pistols.
I'm not anti-gun. What I want is for Congress to fund the CDC to research this undeniably serious issue. That seems like the best action to figure out what to do about this mess.
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TopicOk this AR-15 thing is getting out of hand.
LordRazziel
02/21/18 7:31:50 PM
#86
Whatever.
I misused the term. Not into guns.
Fact is, AR-15-like weapons are the most used in mass shotings.
You don't need to be a gun nut to observe the trend.
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TopicOk this AR-15 thing is getting out of hand.
LordRazziel
02/21/18 7:20:22 PM
#83
AssultTank posted...
LordRazziel posted...
You're adding up all deaths, I'm talking about single events.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_shooting
Glock 19 and Walther p22... <_<

Yep.
Most of the time they use assault rifles, though.
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TopicOk this AR-15 thing is getting out of hand.
LordRazziel
02/21/18 7:12:31 PM
#81
AssultTank posted...
@LordRazziel posted...

It was like that before all this AR-15 stuff started.
Dunno about God weapon, but they clearly are highly effective at producing high body counts. That's why people chose them and similar weapons for mass shootings. It's not the media's fault.


Semi automatic pistols, such as the Glock 19 are just as effective at producing high body counts. In fact, they produce a higher body count every year than all rifles (including the AR-15 and all its variants) and all shotguns combined...

You're adding up all deaths, I'm talking about single events.
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TopicOk this AR-15 thing is getting out of hand.
LordRazziel
02/21/18 6:49:29 PM
#76
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
LordRazziel posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
Funbazooka posted...
I don't have hunting experience but it looks like AR-15s can be chambered with a variety of caliber types.

https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/build-an-ar-15-ar-calibers/

Yes, it's an extremely versatile platform. That's part of why it's so stupid to single them out like there's some sort of secret serial killer allure to them. Like I bet they all breathe air too.

More like badass allure, not serial killer.
How does it being versatile take away it's "I'm a badass" allure?
I had couple friends that got them years ago. They both wouldn't shut up about them, and talked about how, if they needed to, they could kill a bunch of people. Both were big FPS fans. Not saying games cause violence, but it certainly makes some people think they're a badass one-man-army.

So you're saying the problem with them is purely image? Don't you think the news media should stop feeding into this erroneous image that it's some sort of God weapon then?

It was like that before all this AR-15 stuff started.
Dunno about God weapon, but they clearly are highly effective at producing high body counts. That's why people chose them and similar weapons for mass shootings. It's not the media's fault.
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TopicOk this AR-15 thing is getting out of hand.
LordRazziel
02/21/18 6:39:38 PM
#70
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
Funbazooka posted...
I don't have hunting experience but it looks like AR-15s can be chambered with a variety of caliber types.

https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/build-an-ar-15-ar-calibers/

Yes, it's an extremely versatile platform. That's part of why it's so stupid to single them out like there's some sort of secret serial killer allure to them. Like I bet they all breathe air too.

More like badass allure, not serial killer.
How does it being versatile take away it's "I'm a badass" allure?
I had couple friends that got them years ago. They both wouldn't shut up about them, and talked about how, if they needed to, they could kill a bunch of people. Both were big FPS fans. Not saying games cause violence, but it certainly makes some people think they're a badass one-man-army.
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TopicOk this AR-15 thing is getting out of hand.
LordRazziel
02/21/18 6:30:56 PM
#61
DragonGirlYuki posted...
It is an effective pest control tool when it comes to feral hogs.

Here comes that BS story...
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TopicOk this AR-15 thing is getting out of hand.
LordRazziel
02/21/18 6:01:42 PM
#47
Questionmarktarius posted...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2486036/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/13-year-old-suspended-for-doodling-gun/
https://www.theartofed.com/2014/09/02/when-if-ever-is-it-ok-to-draw-a-gun/

Expelled for doodling dogfights is apparently something I just made up.
Or not? https://www.theartofed.com/2014/09/02/when-if-ever-is-it-ok-to-draw-a-gun/

So, no expulsions.
A suspension can just show that it's a serious matter that won't be tolerated. Doesn't have much of a negative effect on the kid. Expulsion would require that they adjust to a different environment and set them back an entire semester. That's why it would be overboard.
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TopicAnyone who thinks arming teachers with guns is being silly
LordRazziel
02/21/18 5:50:47 PM
#57
Spooking posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Well that's a horrible and terrifying idea

When automation comes along to take most of the jobs, the military will still be around for people to go. Earn your keep, as the military should be the only way to earn an UBI in the future. No NEETs! Turning public schools into military schools will ease the population of youth into the process.

What would such a large number of people do in the military?
It would be HUGE.
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TopicBeen working out for over a year and i still have a belly.
LordRazziel
02/21/18 3:25:06 PM
#79
rabbi_baby posted...
LordRazziel posted...
@rabbi_baby
Imagine all the coffee you'd have to drink to get fat.
What?
She is saying it's very beneficial to restrict consumption to 10 or so hours a day.
I'm saying the reason coffee starts that clock is because it has calories.

I was trying to be funny

Oh.
Woosh
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TopicAnyone who thinks arming teachers with guns is being silly
LordRazziel
02/21/18 3:14:54 PM
#21
FLUFFYGERM posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
The answer is, cops in schools, metal detectors, reinforce doors.


so put our kids in prison?

Already was armed guard at the FL shooting.
So make our schools look like the Gaza strip?
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Topiclmao taco bell employee ramps up his stupidity. gets fired.
LordRazziel
02/21/18 3:12:21 PM
#5
What sort of receipt has someone's name in the middle of the charges twice like that?
Why is the picture of a sever from Anita's restaurant?

Because this a BS story
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TopicIf you get mauled by a grizzly bear and survive...
LordRazziel
02/21/18 2:56:37 PM
#12
Very_Unreliable posted...
LordRazziel posted...
Very_Unreliable posted...
I think that's bigoted and prejudiced!

My friend literally says "MOST GRIZZLY BEARS WILL MAUL YOU!" ahahaha wtf, he's from like no-where Idaho, of course he's gonna be that way, he's not educated like us liberals...We should just make our own country and cut out all those flyover guys.

If your school gets shot up by a Trump supporter, should you be afraid of Trump supporters?
You shouldn't, because there isn't a causal link. Just like there isn't one to brown people or Muslims, as you're implying.


I made no such implication. Though your inference is a little telling.

DwaxjXc
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TopicBeen working out for over a year and i still have a belly.
LordRazziel
02/21/18 2:45:57 PM
#75
krazychao5 posted...
Other things I find online saying that coffee wouldn't start it, and that it is recommended to help suppress the appetite in the morning and that you need to consume 50 calories of something to start the fed state.

But i'm not quite sure what this all means.

Could be that the verdict isn't out on that, yet. In that case, gotta leave it to the MD's.
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TopicIf you get mauled by a grizzly bear and survive...
LordRazziel
02/21/18 2:43:01 PM
#8
Very_Unreliable posted...
I think that's bigoted and prejudiced!

My friend literally says "MOST GRIZZLY BEARS WILL MAUL YOU!" ahahaha wtf, he's from like no-where Idaho, of course he's gonna be that way, he's not educated like us liberals...We should just make our own country and cut out all those flyover guys.

If your school gets shot up by a Trump supporter, should you be afraid of Trump supporters?
You shouldn't, because there isn't a causal link. Just like there isn't one to brown people or Muslims, as you're implying.
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TopicBeen working out for over a year and i still have a belly.
LordRazziel
02/21/18 2:34:33 PM
#72
@rabbi_baby
Imagine all the coffee you'd have to drink to get fat.
What?
She is saying it's very beneficial to restrict consumption to 10 or so hours a day.
I'm saying the reason coffee starts that clock is because it has calories.
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TopicBeen working out for over a year and i still have a belly.
LordRazziel
02/21/18 2:14:07 PM
#69
rabbi_baby posted...
LordRazziel posted...
rabbi_baby posted...
krazychao5 posted...
rabbi_baby posted...
buffbillsfan12to83 posted...
Is intermittent fasting good for even non overweight people? Would it burn some of my muscle away too? Maybe a good way to get leaner and more defined?



I'd trust someone with a Ph.D in biomedical science

This lady saying that coffee counts towards being fed, so I am confused...or is she talking about something different than IF?

The liver needs to process it, so the body treats it as being fed.

Coffee has does have calories. Your body doesn't care how few.

Dont' tell me, tell the PHD i'm referencing.

I was agreeing with what she said.
The reason coffee starts the clock is because it has calories.
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TopicOk this AR-15 thing is getting out of hand.
LordRazziel
02/21/18 2:10:56 PM
#41
Questionmarktarius posted...
ClunkerSlim posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
dodgefan91 posted...
And a weird edition of dear diary

That's the important part, which has unfortunately been lost in the "zero tolerance" of expelling kids for doodling airplane-wars while bored in class, or doing that finger-gun gesture, or wearing a Rambo shirt.

What the fuck are you talking about? He brought a fucking handgun to school.

And actually bringing a handgun to school is vastly more actually dangerous than drawing one in a notebook.

The likelihood of somebody getting expelled for drawing some jets in a dog fight seems incredibly low. Do you have an example of this ever happening or are you just kinda saying things?
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TopicOk this AR-15 thing is getting out of hand.
LordRazziel
02/21/18 1:39:53 PM
#28
robellr13 posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
The Admiral posted...
The AR-15 is the least disturbing thing on that list.


Semi-auto rifles are less disturbing than tactic vests. ~ Admiral


The explosives are what really stand out, honestly.


Explosives are illegal. Ar-15s are not.

Depends on the state.
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TopicHas you experience with the gay community been positive or negative?
LordRazziel
02/21/18 1:38:15 PM
#11
TC is too afraid to ask on his main
Or just a troll stirring the pot.
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TopicOk this AR-15 thing is getting out of hand.
LordRazziel
02/21/18 1:30:48 PM
#17
DragonGirlYuki posted...
LordRazziel posted...
DragonGirlYuki posted...
The Admiral posted...
The AR-15 is the least disturbing thing on that list.


Yeah where did he get those explosives.

It said he had the detonator, not the explosives or mines.

Multiple grenades

Yeah, but not the mines or c4 for the detonator.
I should have been more clear.
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TopicOk this AR-15 thing is getting out of hand.
LordRazziel
02/21/18 1:27:27 PM
#13
DragonGirlYuki posted...
The Admiral posted...
The AR-15 is the least disturbing thing on that list.


Yeah where did he get those explosives.

It said he had the detonator, not the explosives or mines.
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TopicBeen working out for over a year and i still have a belly.
LordRazziel
02/21/18 1:21:18 PM
#65
rabbi_baby posted...
krazychao5 posted...
rabbi_baby posted...
buffbillsfan12to83 posted...
Is intermittent fasting good for even non overweight people? Would it burn some of my muscle away too? Maybe a good way to get leaner and more defined?



I'd trust someone with a Ph.D in biomedical science

This lady saying that coffee counts towards being fed, so I am confused...or is she talking about something different than IF?

The liver needs to process it, so the body treats it as being fed.

Coffee has does have calories. Your body doesn't care how few.
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TopicAll our work servers are named after Gun manufacturers
LordRazziel
02/21/18 1:06:20 PM
#18
Swagnificent119 posted...
Not upset at the server names, he's upset at me saying he should look for a new job.

Maybe if you types were not so obsessed with this Trump shit you wouldn't look so upset any time someone posts anything that isn't unanimous approval.

What?
You've lost me.
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TopicIf GOP states seceded from the union, it's obvious what would happen
LordRazziel
02/21/18 1:04:14 PM
#62
Bloodychess posted...
VectorChaos posted...
OP reads like when republicans would explain their secret wild fantas-- I mean hypothetical scenarios about what would happen when they got all mad over gays serving in the military years ago.


Meanwhile Dems made a push to get California out of the union. I love when one side takes their stupidity and tries to brand it on the other.

That's because, for most people, they let partisan politics dictate their stance, not the actual issues.
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TopicIf GOP states seceded from the union, it's obvious what would happen
LordRazziel
02/21/18 12:47:21 PM
#54
@Genocet_10-325
Imagine not caring about anyone at all besides unborn babies. I love when conservatives try to take the moral high ground, it's so adorable

I'm a liberal.
I'm for abortion, affirmative action, welfare, and gun control.
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TopicIf GOP states seceded from the union, it's obvious what would happen
LordRazziel
02/21/18 12:38:38 PM
#44
TheVipaGTS posted...
LordRazziel posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Genocet_10-325 posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Interesting how the left talks shit about the poor when it's the poor from the red states.

no one is talking shit about the people from there for being poor. they're saying if we split the country its unlikely those states would last because of it. We want to help the poor in those states.

We want to but I have less sympathy for the poor in those states who vote R because they're voting against their own interests

I mean less sympathy doesn't mean you're talking shit about them, though. when the argument of social services comes up, pointing out that someone is voting against their interest and attacking those who are trying to help them is perfectly fair.

"Poor as fuck" is talking shit.

he said the states were poor as fuck. he wasn't talking shit about the people specifically at all. he wasn't attacking him....those states are poor and unfortunately many people in them are also poor. that isn't talking shit just because he said "...as fuck"...

It conveys a tone of disdain. Saying he feels less sympathy for them because they vote "R" shows that it is about the people and not just the states. Imagine not caring as much about somebody's suffering because they're a Republican. This "us and them" mentality is a major issue currently, I believe.
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TopicIf GOP states seceded from the union, it's obvious what would happen
LordRazziel
02/21/18 12:29:53 PM
#33
TheVipaGTS posted...
Genocet_10-325 posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Interesting how the left talks shit about the poor when it's the poor from the red states.

no one is talking shit about the people from there for being poor. they're saying if we split the country its unlikely those states would last because of it. We want to help the poor in those states.

We want to but I have less sympathy for the poor in those states who vote R because they're voting against their own interests

I mean less sympathy doesn't mean you're talking shit about them, though. when the argument of social services comes up, pointing out that someone is voting against their interest and attacking those who are trying to help them is perfectly fair.

"Poor as fuck" is talking shit.
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TopicIf GOP states seceded from the union, it's obvious what would happen
LordRazziel
02/21/18 12:25:09 PM
#29
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Interesting how the left talks shit about the poor when it's the poor from the red states.

You have a point.
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TopicDoes McDonald's use real eggs
LordRazziel
02/21/18 12:19:28 PM
#55
Damn.
Serious fight over eggs.
Never change, CE.
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TopicThe perfect girl but she is always years behind on memes
LordRazziel
02/21/18 12:10:14 PM
#7
Who choses a girl based on meme culture?
@_@
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TopicAll our work servers are named after Gun manufacturers
LordRazziel
02/21/18 12:06:38 PM
#14
Swagnificent119 posted...
E32005 posted...

you came in assuming i'm anti gun b/c i made a topic about guns.

stop assuming. stop being a snowflake.


No, I just came in assuming you were annoyed with your coworkers unprofessionalism and maybe you should find a better job with better hires.

I really don't understand why you're so upset.

Doesn't seem like he is upset by the server names, just thinks they're lame.
You assumed it was a major issue for, and suggested that he find another job.

Comic holds up.
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TopicIf GOP states seceded from the union, it's obvious what would happen
LordRazziel
02/21/18 12:02:39 PM
#12
Darkman124 posted...
SilvosForever posted...
Within a decade they would become ultra-religious military states, like Russia.


within five minutes the united states military, which is loyal to the united states of america and not any secessionist state regardless of political affiliation, would destroy all political centers of this secessionist state. their leaders would either be killed in the firestorm, or brought before the public, tried, and imprisoned for the rest of their natural lives.

the idea of secessionism in the modern world is laughable. we have a global military built on the backbone of a massive blue-water navy, with strike capacity anywhere on the globe within minutes.

I mean, it could happen.
They would just need the military to be on the side of the secessionist. The current political climate is nowhere near that happening, nor is there any reason to believe it will happen in the foreseeable future.
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TopicAll our work servers are named after Gun manufacturers
LordRazziel
02/21/18 11:56:26 AM
#7
They play CS:GO, they're combat and weapons experts. Totally hardcore dudes.
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TopicShould feelings play any role in governmental decisions and policy?
LordRazziel
02/21/18 11:52:10 AM
#25
I guess, sorta.
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TopicBeen working out for over a year and i still have a belly.
LordRazziel
02/21/18 9:58:03 AM
#27
Asherlee10 posted...
Lo_Ping posted...
Intermittent fasting is the next big thing that the weight loss industry doesnt want to tell you because theres no way to profit from it. Its free and easy. In fact it saves you a shit ton of money. I can eat all week long on $26 worth of groceries.


You sound like an infomercial.

I think (last time I read about it) that caloric-restriction (i.e. eating healthy and in the right amounts) not only maintains healthy weight, but shreds more weight in the long run. Not only that, but you've retrained your brain to eat properly instead of depending on fasting.

Healthy diet and exercise?
Pfft... I heard about this super secret plan.
6 months from now, there will be another one.
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TopicWe've reached the "crisis actors" stage of the response
LordRazziel
02/21/18 8:47:19 AM
#87
Holy shit.
This topic really went to a weird place.
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TopicIn THIS topic. We POst. Like Christopher WAlken speaks.
LordRazziel
02/21/18 2:23:29 AM
#3
ModLogic posted...
enjoy your disruptive posting

Oh, NO! If. I get MOdded. I will CRY.
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LordRazziel
02/21/18 2:16:41 AM
#1
I. PROBably. Won't post much toNIGHT. I'm GETTING TIerd.
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TopicIs CE just trolls, or white nationalists?
LordRazziel
02/21/18 1:56:10 AM
#21
Bishop9800 posted...
Funbazooka posted...
Forbidding white people from identifying or associating with other white people, while at the same allowing and even encouraging other races to do the same is a big ole stinky double-standard.

It's a matter of fairness.


and who is doing this?

I mean, some do. They're a small minority, and not worth fretting over.
The fact he would just come out left feild with that is pretty damning.
That or we done been trolled.
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TopicI don't care who I am.
LordRazziel
02/21/18 1:42:38 AM
#3
If you didn't ask yourself who you are, you wouldn't have made this topic.
Self-reflection seems to be something hardwired in us.
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TopicIs CE just trolls, or white nationalists?
LordRazziel
02/21/18 1:30:57 AM
#15
Funbazooka posted...
Forbidding white people from identifying or associating with other white people, while at the same allowing and even encouraging other races to do the same is a big ole stinky double-standard.

It's a matter of fairness.

What is the point of saying that, within the context of this topic?
Pretty sure I already have a good idea.
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TopicThe human brain is truly a fascinating thing.
LordRazziel
02/21/18 1:14:38 AM
#18
SoundNetwork posted...
I am like that minus the negative effects. My IQ is way up in the 100s

N3XTTVj

If you say so...
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TopicThe human brain is truly a fascinating thing.
LordRazziel
02/21/18 12:53:38 AM
#15
chill02 posted...
the human brain is a prison

Well, hey there, bubblegum sunshine!
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TopicWhat part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?
LordRazziel
02/21/18 12:49:32 AM
#45
Funbazooka posted...
Oh man what a gotcha. Got em!

You're right. I did do that as a "gotcha". That probably wasn't the best way for me to make my point.
Regardless, they're arguing a point they don't believe, themselves. I would encourage them to take that as reason to rethink their stance on constitutionality of gun control, even if they don't change it.
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TopicThings young men do
LordRazziel
02/21/18 12:29:57 AM
#22
dragnmaninferno posted...
LordRazziel posted...
BalanceLost posted...
Young men like to visit me.

To play "Legos".
Ever had one over, and played both Legos and "Legos"?

Play "legos"?

BL is into Legos, so I used it as innuendo.
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TopicWhat part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?
LordRazziel
02/21/18 12:21:24 AM
#43
For all the people treating the "shall not be infringed" as absolute, should they allow convicts in prison to have guns? If you think they shouldn't, then you aren't treating it as absolute, yourselves.
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