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I finished a 60k word western novel in March after several years of mentally writing it and procrastinating and a couple months of actually writing it. That, along with 5 other stories, one of which is already completed, will be released as an anthology. Will be starting the third story soon and hoping to be done with all of them within the next year.

By the way, if you want a paperback of your own work, I got copies of mine to use for editing and friends family from the website Lulu. Good quality and it's cool to have your own work in your hands like you would find it on the shelf.

Congrats on finishing your work. It is a huge undertaking, I found, and a huge relief when it's out of your head.

If you're in Austin, skip all the barbecue and go to Counter Cafe on Lamar and get the Counter Burger.

Holt is the best character. Love the show. Best girl, gotta go with Diaz by default. Gina and Amy are annoying

My Favorite Murder is a good one, especially for their mini-sodes for quick drives or walks. They're language is a little annoying, as it is when anyone swears too much, and they sound way younger than they are. Very entertaining pod though

Flintlock_Staff posted...

weekoldhotdog posted...

reading too much into it

_RETS_ posted...

Why would you ever give someone's personal information to a stranger without consent?

Woosh

Probably, I only read up to the wall of text.

COVxy posted...

_RETS_ posted...

There is no point in race being a factor if diversity quotas aren't encouraged.

That doesn't make any sense...

Sure it does. Why even have race on applications if there isn't a push to get more of certain races on your campus?

COVxy posted...

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COVxy posted...

You've missed the point for the 10th time in this topic. "Merit" based metrics are sullied by privilege. By not considering circumstance you are, in fact, doing a poorer job at estimating merit.

You are missing the point. Considering race isn't considering circumstance. It is considering race for diversity. They can still account for circumstances without race brig a factor at all.

Race being in the equation gets middle class or well off blacks in over poor asians/whites/whatever. The quota is pointless. If you want to consider circumstances, do so socioeconimically for the individual not "they are black they must be poor and be crippled by disadvantage".

Idk where you are getting the idea about quotas...

There is no point in race being a factor if diversity quotas aren't encouraged.

Why would you ever give someone's personal information to a stranger without consent?

COVxy posted...

You've missed the point for the 10th time in this topic. "Merit" based metrics are sullied by privilege. By not considering circumstance you are, in fact, doing a poorer job at estimating merit.

You are missing the point. Considering race isn't considering circumstance. It is considering race for diversity. They can still account for circumstances without race brig a factor at all.

Race being in the equation gets middle class or well off blacks in over poor asians/whites/whatever. The quota is pointless. If you want to consider circumstances, do so socioeconimically for the individual not "they are black they must be poor and be crippled by disadvantage".

No, but why not take your dog for a drive for the 2 days out of the year this is a problem?

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I think blacks are well equipped and perfectly capable and willing to take it from here. It's a shame you don't believe in them.

I wish dishonesty were moddable.

I don't think that? CJ has a lazy defeatist mindset and thinks the beat way for blacks to succeed is AA. I disagree.

The ones who don't have his mindset succeed, despite the setbacks he talks about.

Now, we all agree those setbacks shouldn't happen. But I disagree with how it should be changed.

It's dishonest. Cutting off your leg and saying that I'm the one truly not being discriminatory by putting you in the same race as everyone else is asinine. You know this. You just wanted to play the "well well well well, who's the racist now?" card.

I don't think he is a racist, I think he has a defeatist victimhood mentality and that black people who don't are in a much much better position to succeed.

Asians being overlooked from college didn't cut black people's legs off. They are outperforming but having the bar set artificially high just so more black people can be on campus.

Idk if I'd consider an asian kid with personal tutors with a 4.0 GPA as outperforming a black kid without these resources from the inner city with a 3.4 HS GPA.

Well shit, you're right. It's perfectly acceptable to discriminate against Asians on the basis of race then.

Pretty broad brush to paint Asians with as well. The ones who do well do so because of (all these reasons) and not because they worked hard and come from a culture that places extreme emphasis on education. They do well because of advantage, not merit. Alright bud. God damn Asian privilege

COVxy posted...

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I think blacks are well equipped and perfectly capable and willing to take it from here. It's a shame you don't believe in them.

I wish dishonesty were moddable.

I don't think that? CJ has a lazy defeatist mindset and thinks the beat way for blacks to succeed is AA. I disagree.

The ones who don't have his mindset succeed, despite the setbacks he talks about.

Now, we all agree those setbacks shouldn't happen. But I disagree with how it should be changed.

It's dishonest. Cutting off your leg and saying that I'm the one truly not being discriminatory by putting you in the same race as everyone else is asinine. You know this. You just wanted to play the "well well well well, who's the racist now?" card.

I don't think he is a racist, I think he has a defeatist victimhood mentality and that black people who don't are in a much much better position to succeed.

Asians being overlooked from college didn't cut black people's legs off. They are outperforming but having the bar set artificially high just so more black people can be on campus.

Taharqa_ posted...

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Taharqa_ posted...

It's pointless to ask for a specific law or policy that discriminates against blacks in this day in age, Jim Crow is dead, what matters is the intent and the subsequent effects of these laws in this day and age. Changes in voting rights laws is not discriminatory on paper but in effect it is since it's peculiar how it always affects areas that are largely populated by blacks. When NY had stop and frisk it was not discriminatory on paper but police were stopping black and brown people all over the city to a combined 88 percent in 2011, only 9 percent of whites were stopped and 88 percent of all total stops that year there was nothing on the persons being detained.

And crime rates plummeted in New York, didnt they?

If young black men are more likely to perpetrate violent crime and crime with a firearm, would it not make sense to stop them more often than other demographics?

Probably saved more black lives than the ones it inconvenienced.

Actually crime in NYC has been on a decline for the last 27 years or so.

Like I said, 88 percent of people stopped during the time of Stop and Frisk had done nothing wrong. If cops were searching for drugs or illegal weapons then a nearly 90 percent rate of no hits is not something that was working.

Sure, but how many black lives were likely saved by the 10% of time it worked? In exchange for being stopped by police. If pale red heads had a high likelihood of perpetrating violent crime, I wouldn't mind an occasional random pat down if it meant violent ones were getting caught by that method.

But even so, if the law isn't being used fairly, the change isn't more legislation. Is Is social change and awareness for voters.

Taharqa_ posted...

It's pointless to ask for a specific law or policy that discriminates against blacks in this day in age, Jim Crow is dead, what matters is the intent and the subsequent effects of these laws in this day and age. Changes in voting rights laws is not discriminatory on paper but in effect it is since it's peculiar how it always affects areas that are largely populated by blacks. When NY had stop and frisk it was not discriminatory on paper but police were stopping black and brown people all over the city to a combined 88 percent in 2011, only 9 percent of whites were stopped and 88 percent of all total stops that year there was nothing on the persons being detained.

And crime rates plummeted in New York, didnt they?

If young black men are more likely to perpetrate violent crime and crime with a firearm, would it not make sense to stop them more often than other demographics?

Probably saved more black lives than the ones it inconvenienced.

And the second question was at what point is the battle considered to be won? A "when everyone lives in racial harmomy" answer isn't going to do.

If it isn't on paper, but things are still being rigged against a demographic, the best course of action is through awareness, social change, and voting offenders out of office. That is already working by the fact that again, blacks are far more successful now than ever before and have more ways to achieve that success. Is that "well enough"? No. But the method of getting to that is our point of disagreement.

COVxy posted...

_RETS_ posted...

I think blacks are well equipped and perfectly capable and willing to take it from here. It's a shame you don't believe in them.

I wish dishonesty were moddable.

I don't think that? CJ has a lazy defeatist mindset and thinks the beat way for blacks to succeed is AA. I disagree.

The ones who don't have his mindset succeed, despite the setbacks he talks about.

Now, we all agree those setbacks shouldn't happen. But I disagree with how it should be changed.

cjsdowg posted...

_RETS_ posted...

So you have no answer to two very simple questions. What codified discrimination is there that limits black opportunity? Why is mandating equal outcomes your answer to injustice?

And there absolutely is equal opportunity by law now. If there isn't, you should be able to pretty easily point to a law or policy that illustrates otherwise.

I have literally post studies that show the racism that black people face.

I didn't say any debt is paid. I asked you at what point you would consider the historical injustices atoned for? What tangible standard do you have to consider the mission accomplished.

That is the point we don't have to go to history to see injustices happening. And to answer there is nothing that can undo what happen. The GI bill, the Homestead act ect built the middle class in America Black people were actively pushed out of this. Redlining forced black people in bad parts of town, it was super hard to get business load. I could keep going on and on. But yeah lets forget that can complain because black guy got 16 points added to his application. While someone else got 35 points added but were black so it doesn't matter.

Your studies are completely IRRELEVANT. I asked you what specific law or policy is in place that discriminates against blacks. You and I agree that the racism you're talking about shouldn't happen. But the way to fix that is to 1) provide equal opportunity UNDER THE LAW and 2) work to socially address the issue.

Number 1 is already done, which is my whole point. Number 2, I don't believe the solution is legislating equal outcome. The solution is already happening. Social change. It is happening as evident by the fact that black people are better equipped to succeed and/or get rich now than ever before in this country and probably the world.

Affirmative action has served it's purpose. I think blacks are well equipped and perfectly capable and willing to take it from here. It's a shame you don't believe in them.

And there absolutely is equal opportunity by law now. If there isn't, you should be able to pretty easily point to a law or policy that illustrates otherwise.

cjsdowg posted...

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And you keep saying leap (or lap) with absolutely no way to quantify any kind of a head start. At what point is the debt paid and can everyone be considered equal? What's your standard for that? At what actual, realistic and tangible point would you be happy?

At what point , you act like things are equal now they are not. Not even close, like I said I have pointed out how white criminals have the same shot at getting a job as black guy with no record, I have pointed out how a black sounding makes get your resume thrown in the pin. And you act like black people are making out like bandits. I pointed out how in Michigan 85 black people got in who were did worse then this girl who was suing while 1400 white people who did worse got in.

Fuck you talking about fucking debt being paid . I have not even really went into detail on the historical bull shit that still give white people an advantage.

So you have no answer to two very simple questions. What codified discrimination is there that limits black opportunity? Why is mandating equal outcomes your answer to injustice?

I didn't say any debt is paid. I asked you at what point you would consider the historical injustices atoned for? What tangible standard do you have to consider the mission accomplished.

I suspect the answer is that you don't, and you would rather black people continue to be crippled by dependency so you can excuse your own failures in life. You wear your victimhood like a badge of honor. The blacks that don't do that succeed despite the odds that you insist are insurmountable without legislated equal outcome. They deserve to succeed and contribute an enormous amount to society. People with your mindset, white black or otherwise, do not.

KStateKing17 posted...

Where is the evidence that the ones that get through aren't qualified.

If there are quotas that have to be .et on basis of skin color, it is a guarantee

COVxy posted...

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The standards of merit should be the same regardless of the race of the individual.

Pure merit doesn't exist in a system so infused with the matthew effect.

But looking at two applicants and being able to reasonably determine who is more qualified does exist.

Some people with every advantage fail, some with every disadvantage succeed. So the best way is going on qualification as objectively as possible regardless of race, sex, orientation, religion, etc.

cjsdowg posted...

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You are happy with the bar being so much lower for black people because you have no faith in them to get over the bar if it is set at the same height as everyone else.

As I have proven more than once in this topic, the bar for black people is higher.

Spotting black people a lap doesn't have to take the form of mandating equal outcomes. More efforts in fixing s***ty schools, more focus on mending black families, more social change is the way to do everything you're talking about. Not legislating someone less qualified getting ahead of someone more qualified regardless of color.

Yet this happen already just the benefits is not black people. How about this the people who already have the 4 leaps give those up before complaining about the person with 1 leap.

The bar for college admission is absolutely not higher for black people. The standards of merit should be the same regardless of the race of the individual.

Only fools argue in favor of equal outcome.

cjsdowg posted...

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I'm not overlooking anything. I don't think what I outlined is right nor should it be socially accepted, but I asked a specific question and you can't provide a specific answer. The question is what codified discrimination (like the guidelines on race for college admissions) exists that you disagree with?

It should be an easy question to answer.

The reason you don't want merit based admission is because you are confident your peers would have merit. That's not a great mindset.

Legacy admissions and admissions on the basis of past financial contributions shouldn't be considered either. It should be based on individual merit. Anything else is just appeasing whining failures.

I have highlighted how many other factors people look into . From living on the right side of the tracks to going to the right high school. Like touched on before for every one black person who under performs and gets in there are many white people who get in. And here is the thing. You want to stop AA the thing that effects the less amount of people before stopping the things that let MORE people.

Think of it as race. White people were already spotted 4 laps, and you are complaining because someone spots a black person one lap. Yelling that isn't fair while nothing shit all about the 4 lap head start.

False equivalency.

Spotting black people a lap doesn't have to take the form of mandating equal outcomes. More efforts in fixing shitty schools, more focus on mending black families, more social change is the way to do everything you're talking about. Not legislating someone less qualified getting ahead of someone more qualified regardless of color.

If fewer white people end up in college or in good jobs because they are less qualified than competing blacks, then that is great because it is meritocracy at work.

You are happy with the bar being so much lower for black people because you have no faith in them to get over the bar if it is set at the same height as everyone else.

Blacks succeed now more than ever despite what you insist to be insurmountable odds.

cjsdowg posted...

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No you haven't. A dude with a black sounding name not getting a job isn't codified in any policy. It may be. social issue, but it isn't mandated discrimination. What law or policy specifically singles out a race for different treatment for better or worse?

So you overlook de facto racism, even when the effects are the same. Typical.

I'm not overlooking anything. I don't think what I outlined is right nor should it be socially accepted, but I asked a specific question and you can't provide a specific answer. The question is what codified discrimination (like the guidelines on race for college admissions) exists that you disagree with?

It should be an easy question to answer.

The reason you don't want merit based admission is because you are confident your peers would have merit. That's not a great mindset.

Legacy admissions and admissions on the basis of past financial contributions shouldn't be considered either. It should be based on individual merit. Anything else is just appeasing whining failures.

cjsdowg posted...

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You've yet to specify what codified advantages white people have.

I have high lighted this over and over, in this topic .

No you haven't. A dude with a black sounding name not getting a job isn't codified in any policy. It may be. social issue, but it isn't mandated discrimination. What law or policy specifically singles out a race for different treatment for better or worse?

cjsdowg posted...

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"I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character rather than the color of his skin."

well make the school systems equal then

Glad you agree with removing affirmative action.

Do away with the advantages given to white people first.

You've yet to specify what codified advantages white people have.

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ThickDaddy posted...

None of that is going to happen. Yall are so overdramatic

The restaurant situation almost happened last month, and is certain to be revisited after Trump's appointment.

A restaurant should be able to kick you out for whatever reason they want, just like they can kick me out for whatever reason. You also be able to raise hell on social media at the despicable act of kicking you out for being gay. The change/consequence should come socially, not legislatively.

The free market is better equipped now more than ever to take care of issues like this when you consider that the second this happens, the entire country knows about it and you'll have the masses at your back.

These kinds of posts always sound so nice on paper until you are the one who gets kicked out of a restaurant because of your race/sexual orientation. Sorry, I dont want to live in an anarchocapitalist society.

My point is there is a powerful mechanism for change now that diminishes the need for the government to have more power. People have more social power now than they ever have. As thay grows, the government should shrink.

You should absolutely be able to eat where you want and I don't agree with you or anyone being kicked out based on immutable characteristics. I just don't think legislation and bigger government is the way to combat when it happens.

CiIantro posted...

ThickDaddy posted...

None of that is going to happen. Yall are so overdramatic

The restaurant situation almost happened last month, and is certain to be revisited after Trump's appointment.

A restaurant should be able to kick you out for whatever reason they want, just like they can kick me out for whatever reason. You also be able to raise hell on social media at the despicable act of kicking you out for being gay. The change/consequence should come socially, not legislatively.

The free market is better equipped now more than ever to take care of issues like this when you consider that the second this happens, the entire country knows about it and you'll have the masses at your back.

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FrisbeeDude posted...

the bar for racism becomes very low when white people are the alleged victims. I thought yall were tired of everyone playing the race card. isnt that how trump got elected?

The racism whites complain about here is written into official policy.

The racism you seem to complain about requires mind reading, assumptions based on statistics ignoring causality, etc

How the fuck do you not see the difference?

He does, he is just happy to be manipulated by victim narratives.

COVxy posted...

_RETS_ posted...

Then the solution is small scale in communities and locally, not mandating equal outcome.

I don't know who is mandating equal outcome. Seems to be to attempt to equalize opportunity.

The outcome in this case is college acceptance. Having diversity quotas is pushing equal outcome.

FrisbeeDude posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Blue_Inigo posted...

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FrisbeeDude posted...

"liberals need to stop using the race card"

"the college admissions process is racist and needs to be fixed asap"

lmao ok

Using race as a basis of admission is absolutely using the race card. You have no faith in black people to succeed on merit.

Merit based admissions dont exist

Then what's the point of admission exams?

they're factors in the overall application, not the end all, be all. interviews, college essays, extracurricular activities, community services, awards received.

I should clarify, that all that is what I would consider to be merits.

COVxy posted...

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Which is why i am saying merit should be what matters.

We don't live in a society where purely merit based systems are really possible.

Only because cultural Marxists stupidly think equal opportunity means equal outcome.

No.

Yes.

I can beat you in a race if you start from 500 meters behind me.

Who is better at running?

Then the solution is small scale in communities and locally, not mandating equal outcome.

FrisbeeDude posted...

"liberals need to stop using the race card"

"the college admissions process is racist and needs to be fixed asap"

lmao ok

Using race as a basis of admission is absolutely using the race card. You have no faith in black people to succeed on merit.

Blue_Inigo posted...

Youre so intent on being an angry SJW you aren't comprehending anything. Removing Race from admission applications increases the chance of merit based acceptance, it doesn't decrease it.

And what youre saying is just giving yourself an excuse to fail in life. It's never because you didn't make the right choices or because you didn't work hard, it's because the mean white world is against you. It's a shitty defeatist attitude and it is way too fucking common these days for people of all races. Poor blacks with a better mindset find ways to succeed and earn it. You on the other hand don't deserve success.

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FrisbeeDude posted...

I just love how a certain segment of the population has so much energy for this. Ask them about equal funding and quality of teachers for poor black black and brown students and the grade school level though and they scream socialism. If they put as much energy into slandering black and brown college applicants as they did fixing public education, race guided admissions wouldnt be as needed.

Saying college admission and jobs should be based on merit is not slandering anyone. You're whining about nothing.

Public education should absolutely be fixed and private education and school choice should be more attainable. A kid shouldn't have to fight a losing battle in a shitty school just because of where he lives.

Trumps america has their priorities outta wack and that's why I call bullshit. if you plug your ears to minority grade school education inequality, yet scream for a merit only based college admissions process (when has it ever been that btw? things outside of academic performance have been considered since forever), you're telling on yourself. You would think those whining about all those unqualified blacks getting into college over Band Camp Becky would be interested in fixing the root of their issue, but here we are...

Why should unqualified people of any race get in over more qualified people? If fewer whites are qualified than blacks, who cares? The more qualified blacks would deserve to get in. Race, sex, orientation should have absolutely no bearing on the admission process. Why the fuck would it?

It really seems like you think the only way blacks can get in is if it isn't merit based. Are you worried that if it is merit only, blacks won't cut it?

I'm not. Because blacks have more opportunity to succeed (and be rich) in this country now than ever before. Poor blacks are working their way through school and focusing on their education and making it. Or dominating in sports and earning scholarships for it. And that's a great thing because the merit is there.

Advocating for decisions based on race rather than character and merit is counterproductive and that's what you're doing.

If you want to fix the problems in the black community then fix them. If you want to help them earn their own way and rise above a past of oppression, then more power to you because it is for the benefit of everyone that those who deserve to do well do well.

But making race based decisions isn't doing anyone any favors and only serves to manipulate people into thinking you care about them

Qualifications dont fucking matter. Skin tone, money, and connections are what matters to the shits in power.

Which is why i am saying merit should be what matters. Not race or anything else. I don't even know the point of your comment.

FrisbeeDude posted...

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FrisbeeDude posted...

I just love how a certain segment of the population has so much energy for this. Ask them about equal funding and quality of teachers for poor black black and brown students and the grade school level though and they scream socialism. If they put as much energy into slandering black and brown college applicants as they did fixing public education, race guided admissions wouldnt be as needed.

Saying college admission and jobs should be based on merit is not slandering anyone. You're whining about nothing.

Public education should absolutely be fixed and private education and school choice should be more attainable. A kid shouldn't have to fight a losing battle in a shitty school just because of where he lives.

Trumps america has their priorities outta wack and that's why I call bullshit. if you plug your ears to minority grade school education inequality, yet scream for a merit only based college admissions process (when has it ever been that btw? things outside of academic performance have been considered since forever), you're telling on yourself. You would think those whining about all those unqualified blacks getting into college over Band Camp Becky would be interested in fixing the root of their issue, but here we are...

Why should unqualified people of any race get in over more qualified people? If fewer whites are qualified than blacks, who cares? The more qualified blacks would deserve to get in. Race, sex, orientation should have absolutely no bearing on the admission process. Why the fuck would it?

It really seems like you think the only way blacks can get in is if it isn't merit based. Are you worried that if it is merit only, blacks won't cut it?

I'm not. Because blacks have more opportunity to succeed (and be rich) in this country now than ever before. Poor blacks are working their way through school and focusing on their education and making it. Or dominating in sports and earning scholarships for it. And that's a great thing because the merit is there.

Advocating for decisions based on race rather than character and merit is counterproductive and that's what you're doing.

If you want to fix the problems in the black community then fix them. If you want to help them earn their own way and rise above a past of oppression, then more power to you because it is for the benefit of everyone that those who deserve to do well do well.

But making race based decisions isn't doing anyone any favors and only serves to manipulate people into thinking you care about them

Samurontai posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Samurontai posted...

-looks at judicial system-

Yeah, white people have no advantages over minorities in this country. None at all.

/s

Whataboutism. You don't fix the judicial system with racist admissions policies.

Thats not whataboutism

You probably shouldnt use terms that you dont know the meaning of

It's not relevant anyway. There is nothing mandating the outcomes seen in the judicial system, for better or worse for those involved.

FrisbeeDude posted...

I just love how a certain segment of the population has so much energy for this. Ask them about equal funding and quality of teachers for poor black black and brown students and the grade school level though and they scream socialism. If they put as much energy into slandering black and brown college applicants as they did fixing public education, race guided admissions wouldnt be as needed.

Saying college admission and jobs should be based on merit is not slandering anyone. You're whining about nothing.

Public education should absolutely be fixed and private education and school choice should be more attainable. A kid shouldn't have to fight a losing battle in a shitty school just because of where he lives.

cjsdowg posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

BWLurker posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

BWLurker posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why

So why not base admissions on family income instead of race

Why not?

That's what I'm asking. If you want to give help to the have-nots then why would you have a system based on race where kids from wealthy black families have an advantage over poor people of other races

I'm agreeing with you. Why has such a system not been proposed?

Because Democrats need the black and hispanic vote and that kind of move would appear like a betrayal.

A white high school droop out has the same chance of getting a job as black kid with college.
A white criminal has the same chance of getting a job as black guy with no record if everything else is even.

YOU HAVE THE ADVANTAGE ALL READY.

Even if that is backed by legitimate stats, it is a social thing, not an institutional thing. There is nothing mandating that to be the case, like there is in colleges. Race shouldn't be included on job applications either. Interview anyone who seems to fit, and make your judgment based on that.

FrisbeeDude posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Schwarber posted...

The Trump administration is planning to rescind Tuesday a set of Obama-era policies that encourage the use of race in college admissions to promote diverse educational settings, according to two people familiar with the plans.

Why is getting rid of this bad?

because it furthers perpetuates the educational divide between haves and have nots. want equal guidelines for college admissions? level the playing field in primary and secondary education, but Wh-, I'm sorry, "Trumps" america doesn't seem nearly as willing to have that discussion...I wonder why

It isn't about financial status. It's specifically about race yes? How is a rich black kid a "have not" and a poor white kid a "have"?

Race shouldn't be an issue. Individual merit should. That this even has to be argued is insane. If it happens that all the most qualified are black or hispanic or whatever instead of white, that's great. As long as those who deserve to be there are there regardless of race.

cjsdowg posted...

It is funny all the people who support this never say we should end things that give white people advantages.

Such as?

COVxy posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

That people on the right apparently care more about ending racial discrimination than the left does?

Apparently the right only seems to care about "anti-white discrimination".

It's far more anti-asian than it is anti-white.