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ultimate reaver posted...

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ledbowman posted...

_RETS_ posted...

I don't care if you believe me or not

Clearly

I'm more just curious as to what the bar is for brig a Trump cultist? I haven't defended the guy and disagree with just about everything he says about the investigation because he shouldn't be shit talking it in his position

i just casually perused your posting history and its full of nothing but the usual right wing CE troll viewpoint stuff when you enter political threads

Yeah, like gays should be able to marry, abortion should be legal, the war on drugs should end, you know, the usual right wing talking points.

Not agreeing with a leftist narrative on any given issue =/= adhering to right wing talking points.

shockthemonkey posted...

Yikes, I guess you can start by proving literacy

Prove that I admitted my mistake? I already did that in a reply to Cruel. What are you talking about?

There is a difference between denying the holocaust happened and believing that the stats are overblown.

I don't deny it nor do I believe the stats are overblown, but I can see those two viewpoints being conflated.

shockthemonkey posted...

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shockthemonkey posted...

I didnt call it a witch hunt! Except when I did. And then I said that doesnt count, which isnt backpedaling!

guess you want to keep embarrassing yourself

But I didn't say it was a witch hunt.... because that wouldn't be determined until the conclusion, which hasn't been reached.

So witch hunt wasn't the correct term, since I don't think Mueller has a political motive and no reason to believe he isn't doing things correctly. But you're lying to yourself if you think the media and leftist citizens will be as satisfied with the integrity of his investigation as they are now if it concludes Trump did no wrong.

This is what embarrassing backtracking looks like

You continuing to say that doesn't make it true. I can admit if I didn't use a term correctly. I can admit that I was incorrect about something.

Ok prove it

Prove...what?

shockthemonkey posted...

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shockthemonkey posted...

I didnt call it a witch hunt! Except when I did. And then I said that doesnt count, which isnt backpedaling!

guess you want to keep embarrassing yourself

But I didn't say it was a witch hunt.... because that wouldn't be determined until the conclusion, which hasn't been reached.

So witch hunt wasn't the correct term, since I don't think Mueller has a political motive and no reason to believe he isn't doing things correctly. But you're lying to yourself if you think the media and leftist citizens will be as satisfied with the integrity of his investigation as they are now if it concludes Trump did no wrong.

This is what embarrassing backtracking looks like

You continuing to say that doesn't make it true. I can admit if I didn't use a term correctly. I can admit that I was incorrect about something.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

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because that wouldn't be determined until the conclusion

Yeah, let us wait to see if this investigation that has already produced guilty pleas is a witch hunt.

Not on Muellers part. It would be more of a cultural/media witch hunt if it concludes Trump didn't collude because you know they don't care at all about the indictments if they don't end up taking Trump down. That's why my very first post predicted the left will then flip on Mueller if the investigation doesn't go their way.

shockthemonkey posted...

I didnt call it a witch hunt! Except when I did. And then I said that doesnt count, which isnt backpedaling!

guess you want to keep embarrassing yourself

But I didn't say it was a witch hunt.... because that wouldn't be determined until the conclusion, which hasn't been reached.

So witch hunt wasn't the correct term, since I don't think Mueller has a political motive and no reason to believe he isn't doing things correctly. But you're lying to yourself if you think the media and leftist citizens will be as satisfied with the integrity of his investigation as they are now if it concludes Trump did no wrong.

shockthemonkey posted...

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shockthemonkey posted...

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shockthemonkey posted...

I am bored, you got me. But if this plays out and leads to nothing on Trump, I'll be sure to follow up about the rapid turn on Mueller.

And I am laughing at Giuliani, just like I laughed at Spicer, just like a laugh at Trump when he rattles off some unintelligible rambling nonsense, just like I laugh at religious people getting butthurt about gays, just like I laugh at the alt-righter who couldn't tear up the protest sign. It actually isn't an either/or kind of thing. I can laugh at current bullshit from either side of the aisle and predict reactions from either side and you can do the same.

The rightist melt down when Roe doesn't get overturned will be just as entertaining.

Quick, backtrack some more and remind us how youre cooler than everyone else. Surely that will be less embarrassing!

What exactly am I backtracking on? I've said from the start I'll shit on ridiculous behavior from the right or the left.

I swear Im laughing at Rudy too! Please believe me, this isnt embarrassing!

Bud just let it go. You embarrassed yourself and now youre trying to justify it. I already explained it to you.

I don't care if you believe me or not, it doesn't change what is. It's like you cant accept that calling out one thing is not mutually exclusive to calling out another.

You do realize someone can call out leftist bullshit without being a Trump cultist, right? And you realize that me saying "if this happens, this will probably follow" doesn't prevent me from also acknowledging current nonsense?

I realize that you coming into a topic about Mueller indictments and screaming witch hunt and then backpedaling is embarrassing. I know that ranting about how youll laugh at a hypothetical situation instead of discussing whats actually happening is embarrassing. I know you trying to justify it via more backpedaling is embarrassing. I know that getting bodied by someone as dumb as me is definitely embarrassing.

So you can keep embarrassing yourself by trying to justify all this or you can let it go.

Never said it was a witch hunt, as it is not a finished investigation. I said it could end up proving to have been one upon its conclusion. And even then, I admitted my mistake in using the term incorrectly. Admitting to a mistake is not backpedaling.

ledbowman posted...

_RETS_ posted...

I don't care if you believe me or not

Clearly

I'm more just curious as to what the bar is for brig a Trump cultist? I haven't defended the guy and disagree with just about everything he says about the investigation because he shouldn't be shit talking it in his position

BWLurker posted...

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shockthemonkey posted...

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shockthemonkey posted...

I am bored, you got me. But if this plays out and leads to nothing on Trump, I'll be sure to follow up about the rapid turn on Mueller.

And I am laughing at Giuliani, just like I laughed at Spicer, just like a laugh at Trump when he rattles off some unintelligible rambling nonsense, just like I laugh at religious people getting butthurt about gays, just like I laugh at the alt-righter who couldn't tear up the protest sign. It actually isn't an either/or kind of thing. I can laugh at current bullshit from either side of the aisle and predict reactions from either side and you can do the same.

The rightist melt down when Roe doesn't get overturned will be just as entertaining.

Quick, backtrack some more and remind us how youre cooler than everyone else. Surely that will be less embarrassing!

What exactly am I backtracking on? I've said from the start I'll shit on ridiculous behavior from the right or the left.

Do you live in the US?

I do.

shockthemonkey posted...

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shockthemonkey posted...

_RETS_ posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

I am bored, you got me. But if this plays out and leads to nothing on Trump, I'll be sure to follow up about the rapid turn on Mueller.

And I am laughing at Giuliani, just like I laughed at Spicer, just like a laugh at Trump when he rattles off some unintelligible rambling nonsense, just like I laugh at religious people getting butthurt about gays, just like I laugh at the alt-righter who couldn't tear up the protest sign. It actually isn't an either/or kind of thing. I can laugh at current bullshit from either side of the aisle and predict reactions from either side and you can do the same.

The rightist melt down when Roe doesn't get overturned will be just as entertaining.

Quick, backtrack some more and remind us how youre cooler than everyone else. Surely that will be less embarrassing!

What exactly am I backtracking on? I've said from the start I'll shit on ridiculous behavior from the right or the left.

I swear Im laughing at Rudy too! Please believe me, this isnt embarrassing!

Bud just let it go. You embarrassed yourself and now youre trying to justify it. I already explained it to you.

I don't care if you believe me or not, it doesn't change what is. It's like you cant accept that calling out one thing is not mutually exclusive to calling out another.

You do realize someone can call out leftist bullshit without being a Trump cultist, right? And you realize that me saying "if this happens, this will probably follow" doesn't prevent me from also acknowledging current nonsense?

shockthemonkey posted...

_RETS_ posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

I am bored, you got me. But if this plays out and leads to nothing on Trump, I'll be sure to follow up about the rapid turn on Mueller.

And I am laughing at Giuliani, just like I laughed at Spicer, just like a laugh at Trump when he rattles off some unintelligible rambling nonsense, just like I laugh at religious people getting butthurt about gays, just like I laugh at the alt-righter who couldn't tear up the protest sign. It actually isn't an either/or kind of thing. I can laugh at current bullshit from either side of the aisle and predict reactions from either side and you can do the same.

The rightist melt down when Roe doesn't get overturned will be just as entertaining.

Quick, backtrack some more and remind us how youre cooler than everyone else. Surely that will be less embarrassing!

What exactly am I backtracking on? I've said from the start I'll shit on ridiculous behavior from the right or the left.

Mr_Biscuit posted...

I don't have to be useful here. I am useful IRL. CE is my outlet for uselessness. I will be superior to whoever loses by the way. If Tump goes down in flames I will also be superior to the Hannitys of the world whining about the outcome.

shockthemonkey posted...

I am bored, you got me. But if this plays out and leads to nothing on Trump, I'll be sure to follow up about the rapid turn on Mueller.

And I am laughing at Giuliani, just like I laughed at Spicer, just like a laugh at Trump when he rattles off some unintelligible rambling nonsense, just like I laugh at religious people getting butthurt about gays, just like I laugh at the alt-righter who couldn't tear up the protest sign. It actually isn't an either/or kind of thing. I can laugh at current bullshit from either side of the aisle and predict reactions from either side and you can do the same.

The rightist melt down when Roe doesn't get overturned will be just as entertaining.

The Great Muta 22 posted...

_RETS_ posted...

What's pathetic is melting down when you don't get your way. Why would I be desperate to laugh at either the far left or the far right? They both embarrass themselves plenty.

Nothing that's happening affects me at all. So my only investment is enjoying the circus.

If they both embarrass themselves plenty already, why are you going on about a hypothetical that hasn't come close to happening and not instead laughing at things that actually have happened?

Seems stupid

Is talking about a hypothetical mutually exclusive from laughing at anything currently going on? Are you so upset about this because you know this is how the left would react if the hypothetical were to play out? I just don't understand your point.

Do you voice your objection when people say that conservatives would have been cheering for the perpetrator that bashed that Mexican grandpa with a brick if they had been white instead of black? Because that is a way more far-fetched scenario than my hypothetical here.

As an example, I think it was just as eye-rolling and ridiculous for the bakers to get so hung up on a gay wedding that it got blown up into a national story. Stupid of them to let something that doesn't affect them in any way take away from their business

shockthemonkey posted...

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The Great Muta 22 posted...

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Polycosm posted...

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If he had no involvement, then we will have been correct about it being a witch hunt to take him down.

The scope of the investigation is Russian coordination with individuals associated with the campaign of the President, and any matters arising from that. If it leads to Trump, so be it. If it doesn't, then it still fulfilled its stated purpose and found a ton of witches. In no scenario is Trump correct in characterizing this as "a witch hunt to take him down," unless you have evidence that Mueller isn't conducting his investigation objectively and dispassionately.

I already conceded I mis-used the buzz word. My initial post was solely about the leftist meltdown bound to happen if the investigation doesn't go where they want it to go. The same ones praising Mueller will be insisting he has actually been a nazi all along. If that's the case, then watch it happen. I can almost guarantee it.

That's a stupid takeaway from all of this. Kind of seems like you're simply desperate to laugh at liberals regardless of anything even happening, which is quite pathetic tbh

What's pathetic is melting down when you don't get your way. Why would I be desperate to laugh at either the far left or the far right? They both embarrass themselves plenty.

Nothing that's happening affects me at all. So my only investment is enjoying the circus.

This is embarrassing for you, though

In what way? Predicting a reaction that will in all likelihood happen if the investigation doesn't up thing down Trump?

You're free to laugh at white lemonade stand lady, which I'm sure you did because of how ridiculous it was, and I'll laugh with you, and I'm free to laugh at leftist meltdowns when it's warranted. Neither of us should be embarrassed by either scenario.

The Great Muta 22 posted...

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Polycosm posted...

_RETS_ posted...

If he had no involvement, then we will have been correct about it being a witch hunt to take him down.

The scope of the investigation is Russian coordination with individuals associated with the campaign of the President, and any matters arising from that. If it leads to Trump, so be it. If it doesn't, then it still fulfilled its stated purpose and found a ton of witches. In no scenario is Trump correct in characterizing this as "a witch hunt to take him down," unless you have evidence that Mueller isn't conducting his investigation objectively and dispassionately.

I already conceded I mis-used the buzz word. My initial post was solely about the leftist meltdown bound to happen if the investigation doesn't go where they want it to go. The same ones praising Mueller will be insisting he has actually been a nazi all along. If that's the case, then watch it happen. I can almost guarantee it.

That's a stupid takeaway from all of this. Kind of seems like you're simply desperate to laugh at liberals regardless of anything even happening, which is quite pathetic tbh

What's pathetic is melting down when you don't get your way. Why would I be desperate to laugh at either the far left or the far right? They both embarrass themselves plenty.

Nothing that's happening affects me at all. So my only investment is enjoying the circus.

Polycosm posted...

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If he had no involvement, then we will have been correct about it being a witch hunt to take him down.

The scope of the investigation is Russian coordination with individuals associated with the campaign of the President, and any matters arising from that. If it leads to Trump, so be it. If it doesn't, then it still fulfilled its stated purpose and found a ton of witches. In no scenario is Trump correct in characterizing this as "a witch hunt to take him down," unless you have evidence that Mueller isn't conducting his investigation objectively and dispassionately.

I already conceded I mis-used the buzz word. My initial post was solely about the leftist meltdown bound to happen if the investigation doesn't go where they want it to go. The same ones praising Mueller will be insisting he has actually been a nazi all along. If that's the case, then watch it happen. I can almost guarantee it.

CruelBuffalo posted...

Sure, but leftists won't be happy with that at all if Trump ends up coming out of it clean. If he had no involvement, then we will have been correct about it being a witch hunt to take him down

Also I thought you said you had no dog in this fight, @_RETS_. What do you mean by we? What group are you referring to here ;)

Misspoke. Meant "he." I agree with some Trump stuff, disagree with some stuff, support gay marriage, abortion, drug legalization, separation of church and state, think religion has no place in politics, and think people should be able to really do whatever the fuck they want if it isn't causing harm to someone else. So you tell me where that puts me on a political spectrum.

CruelBuffalo posted...

@_RETS_ Again, what does that have to do with the actual investigation. Thats how leftists react to the investigation. What does Mueller team do that specifically makes it a witch hunt. This started from a republican initiating this. You know this right?

You're correct. Perhaps I got carried away with the buzzword. But I still stand by my prediction of the salt if it ends up not leading to Trump

Bio1590 posted...

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I couldn't care less about the outcome of the investigation as I have no dog in the fight.

Look at this guy trying to play this card while spending the second page whining about "liberals" and "leftists" lmfao.

I'm not "whining" about anything. That's your job. I'll be satisfied with the end of the investigation either way it goes because it doesn't affect me one way or another. If he's guilty, execute him for treason. If he isn't, all I did was predict the inevitable leftist butthurt about it and how their narrative about Mueller will change.

I just as much enjoy watching white conservative meltdowns about black kids not having lemonade stand permits.

CruelBuffalo posted...

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CruelBuffalo posted...

Except for all the indictments and guilty pleas

Sure, but leftists won't be happy with that at all if Trump ends up coming out of it clean. If he had no involvement, then we will have been correct about it being a witch hunt to take him down. The only reason anyone is excited about topics like this isn't because justice is being served, it's because they think it will lead right to Trump. If that ends up not being the case, the meltdown will be election-night reeeeeee.

If he had nothing to do with it so be it. But people clearly did and they need to be brought to justice. How is it a witch hunt from the people involved in the team. They havent done anything of shady nature. I ignore the noise of others clamoring around the media, shame you are incapable of doing the same. Have a blessed day.

It would end up proving to be a witch hunt because the clear goal of Dems and the mainstream media is to do everything possible to get Trump out of office and prove his wrongdoing. Do you really think media and dems actually give a fuck about all this if it doesn't end up proving them right about Trump?

I don't want to ignore the noise. I love watching leftist meltdowns.

CruelBuffalo posted...

Except for all the indictments and guilty pleas

Sure, but leftists won't be happy with that at all if Trump ends up coming out of it clean. If he had no involvement, then we will have been correct about it being a witch hunt to take him down. The only reason anyone is excited about topics like this isn't because justice is being served, it's because they think it will lead right to Trump. If that ends up not being the case, the meltdown will be election-night reeeeeee.

CruelBuffalo posted...

@_RETS_Most likely, yes, although they will be vindicated in thinking all along that the investigation was a wild goose chase that would ultimately prove to be a waste of time and resources. But if the government is good at one thing, it is wasting time and resources, so par for the course.

You think its a waste of money to determine how a foreign government was trying to interfere with our election in an effort to safeguard ourselves and punish the individuals responsible?

No, I said it will ultimately proven to have been a waste. Like purchasing a 1 year warranty on a computer something and ending up not having needed it. At the time, it made sense, but in retrospect was a bunch of money/resources that ended up going nowhere.

hockeybub89 posted...

_RETS_ posted...

If nothing actually comes of this like Trump or anyone essential being sent to prison, the sudden shift in leftist perception of Mueller will throw the earth off axis. "Of course a white supremacist would cover for another white supremacist"

Look at this shook one.

I couldn't care less about the outcome of the investigation as I have no dog in the fight. But I can reasonably predict the liberal whining if it doesn't go how they want.

CruelBuffalo posted...

_RETS_ posted...

If nothing actually comes of this like Trump or anyone essential being sent to prison, the sudden shift in leftist perception of Mueller will throw the earth off axis. "Of course a white supremacist would cover for another white supremacist"

Same goes for conservatives who would suddenly love Mueller

Most likely, yes, although they will be vindicated in thinking all along that the investigation was a wild goose chase that would ultimately prove to be a waste of time and resources. But if the government is good at one thing, it is wasting time and resources, so par for the course.

If nothing actually comes of this like Trump or anyone essential being sent to prison, the sudden shift in leftist perception of Mueller will throw the earth off axis. "Of course a white supremacist would cover for another white supremacist"

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Solid Snake07 posted...

What a bunch of losers. anyone else laugh their ass off when the girl declared her love for someone at 0:44?

What are they shooting them with?

Probably bear mace or something.

Although if you're referring to what sounded like gun fire, may have been firecrackers or maybe non lethal warning shots.

No to both. They were using salt guns.

Can't wait until Huffpo writes an article with a headline about these peaceful 1st-amendment loving protesters being fired upon with an automatic weapon and burying in the article the fact that they were essentially just being seasoned.

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DirkDiggles posted...

Their screams are like beautiful music to my ears .

That one officer spraying them with mace like she was watering her garden really set them off.

I think it was more the fact that the officers included a woman, a couple black guys, and a hispanic guy and they realized they couldn't play the racist/misogynist/white supremacist nazi card. So they only had "fascist". The far left's words don't actually mean anything.

chrono625 posted...

Wonder if they ever caught the guy who ran.

Such volatile, ignorant and low IQ people. Constant f bombs.

I mean, just say you're anarchists and get it over with.

I think it shows them bringing him back toward the end

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Forgot that this is CE where feminism, which is literally just believing that women and men should have equal rights, is bad.

That's not what modern feminism is and you're fully aware of that. What rights do women not have that men do?

We can't go topless. In most places, at least.

Fair enough. Any codified sexism that actually affects anyone one way or another?

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mario2000 posted...

RamboCell29 posted...

The benefit of being black is that you will never be convicted of a hate crime.

yeah cuz the cops'll just shoot em dead in the street

Perpetuating nonsense like this is why blacks continue to be brought up thinking it's okay for them to run and fight with the police. Try not contributing to the cycle.

I don't know about you but I'm a lot more inclined to blame the recurring instances of unpunished police brutality than people saying "the cops will just shoot you for being black" semi-ironically in observation of these instances

And is it likelier the case that this just doesn't happen to white people or that when it does the media doesn't feel the need to force a narrative down your throat?

mario2000 posted...

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mario2000 posted...

RamboCell29 posted...

The benefit of being black is that you will never be convicted of a hate crime.

yeah cuz the cops'll just shoot em dead in the street

Perpetuating nonsense like this is why blacks continue to be brought up thinking it's okay for them to run and fight with the police. Try not contributing to the cycle.

grr why don't those darn blacks just shut up and accept their extrajudicial executions

Not at all, but when most of the ones you bitch about are justified and you take into account that even though blacks are likelier to perpetrate violent crime, domestic abuse, and resist arrest while still being less likely do die in a police shooting, you have to question the narrative

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Forgot that this is CE where feminism, which is literally just believing that women and men should have equal rights, is bad.

That's not what modern feminism is and you're fully aware of that. What rights do women not have that men do?

CEs_EFG posted...

Pretty amazing how most of those cops are Hispanic lol

About half of border agents are also hispanic.

mario2000 posted...

RamboCell29 posted...

The benefit of being black is that you will never be convicted of a hate crime.

yeah cuz the cops'll just shoot em dead in the street

Perpetuating nonsense like this is why blacks continue to be brought up thinking it's okay for them to run and fight with the police. Try not contributing to the cycle.

Duncanwii posted...

So this is how it starts. First it's Antifa, then once thats sunk in and has presidence, it's any other group the Trump Administration considers a "terrorist organization." Thus is how democracy ends, to thunderous applause. Shame on you CE.

How would you describe an ideologically motivated group that shows up armed and disguised in public to inflict violence on political opponents?

iClockwork posted...

A stablely raised child needs both a man and women in the household. Two women would not be able to raise a boy and provide him with the appropriate knowledge a man would also provide.

It has nothing to do with sexuality.

The only thing that suggests this is that kids are raised better in two-parent households than single-parent, due to the dynamic involved in a two-parent household, which is absolutely true. Typically, those two parents that express that dynamic are a man and a woman, but there is nothing to suggest that homosexual couples wouldn't be exactly the same as long as they get that dynamic right. One still has to be "motherly" and one "fatherly" but their sex doesn't really have a whole lot to do with that.

DarthGravid posted...

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DarthGravid posted...

That's how I found out that my wife's extended family is a bunch of racists.
When I stated that I had no problem with kneeling, they basically ran me out of the place calling me "unpatriotic", and other things that I refuse to say. I am a combat veteran, btw. Not one of them is a combat veteran, or has ever served in any way, not even National Guard.

The reason that I'm not offended by the kneeling is that "wrong is wrong". What these people are facing is wrong. Our flag stands for freedom and the pursuit of happiness for all people, regardless of race, religion, or anything else that makes each individual. Soldiers kneel at the graves of their fallen brothers, as a sign of respect. These NFL players do not feel that their concerns are being addressed by society, and they are correct. They feel that this is the only way to make people understand the importance of their cause, and the need for reform.

As a white American, a combat veteran, a patriot, and a decent human being, if I were on the field with them, I would have joined them. Not in any way to disrespect my country or flag, but because of the brave men and women that I served with that didn't come home, died for freedom, equality, and justice for all people.

I agree with you for the most part, but there are veterans who do take issue with it and feel disrespected. Your perspective as a veteran doesn't vindicate or condemn the players' actions any more or less than theirs does.

That freedom to disagree is what we fought for. I respect those opinions, and to a degree, understand them. My opinion is my own, and I stand by it.

@DarkProto05 I was Army. I fought along side Marines, and I have all the respect in the world for you guys. I would fight next to a Marine any day.

You should stand by it and there is nothing more American than being able to respectfully and reasonably disagree with each other.

DanHarenChamp posted...

The same people that complain that there shouldn't be a minimum wage are annoyed when someone takes a job for less than minimum wage.

The same party that tells people to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps wants the government to hand them jobs.

No one should have an issue with legal immigrants bringing their skills and work ethic into the country and contributing to society and the economy.

But your first sentence makes no sense. Those two things aren't contradictory. Citizens have to get paid minimum wage. They don't have the option to work for less than that. If an illegal comes in and undercuts that and gets paid off the books, then that is actually taking a job away. If there was no minimum wage, citizens could opt to work for less than the illegal immigrant, but that's not an option.

But like the other poster said, if you are losing minimum wage jobs to illegals, you need to go develop some skills that are more valuable than minimum wage grunt work.

DarthGravid posted...

That's how I found out that my wife's extended family is a bunch of racists.
When I stated that I had no problem with kneeling, they basically ran me out of the place calling me "unpatriotic", and other things that I refuse to say. I am a combat veteran, btw. Not one of them is a combat veteran, or has ever served in any way, not even National Guard.

The reason that I'm not offended by the kneeling is that "wrong is wrong". What these people are facing is wrong. Our flag stands for freedom and the pursuit of happiness for all people, regardless of race, religion, or anything else that makes each individual. Soldiers kneel at the graves of their fallen brothers, as a sign of respect. These NFL players do not feel that their concerns are being addressed by society, and they are correct. They feel that this is the only way to make people understand the importance of their cause, and the need for reform.

As a white American, a combat veteran, a patriot, and a decent human being, if I were on the field with them, I would have joined them. Not in any way to disrespect my country or flag, but because of the brave men and women that I served with that didn't come home, died for freedom, equality, and justice for all people.

I agree with you for the most part, but there are veterans who do take issue with it and feel disrespected. Your perspective as a veteran doesn't vindicate or condemn the players' actions any more or less than theirs does.

cjsdowg posted...

_RETS_ posted...

I have no problem with them kneeling. Trump shouldn't voice an opinion on it either way. But if the NFL, as a business, decides they don't want them kneeling, that is a business operating for its own self interest and whether that decision makes or loses them money should determine how they move forward.

People shouldn't have a problem with them kneeling because it "disrespects the anthem/troops/flag/country", because that is stupid and taking issue with a peaceful protest. However, people can be rightfully bothered by the protest being hinged on a narrative that is rooted in media sensationalism rather than facts.

Facts, are you suggesting that there is no racism in the US justice system ?

No, I am suggesting that the police brutality/lethality issue against minorities is overblown by the media especially when black men are more likely to perpetrate violent crime, perpetuate domestic abuse, more likely to kill an officer than the other way around, studies show no racial bias in police shootings, etc then you have to wonder if the narrative as pushed by the media is actually true.

It is further called into question when movements like to prop up cases like Michael Brown as an example of what they are protesting against.

And AFAIK, Trump's outreach to the NFL players for cases to consider for pardon has got unanswered. So do they actually want things to improve, or are they wanting to perpetuate victimhood without proposing or assisting in any real solutions?

A few things could have made the movie far and away the best Star Wars movie.

1 - Get Rid of Holdo, have Leia fill that role and sacrifice herself.

2 - Make the space chase way more compelling. The low-speed pursuit was lame as shit.

3 - Completely rework the casino part and have them infiltrate an imperial prison or something to free the code breaker. Then we don't have the goofy CGI fest and the stakes are higher.

4 - Have Hux not be the butt of jokes. He need a strong First Order, not two "leaders" constantly bitching at each other.

5 - If Leia Poppins stays in, execute the scene better.

7 - Less Disney comedy undercutting serious moments.

6 - The Throne Room fight was one of the best scenes in the series and the point at which it should have completely flipped the script. Kylo made a compelling case for Rey to join him on the Dark Side, which she had already jumped to without hesitation on the Island. With that foreshadowed, she should have accepted his offer. This makes the middle act of the trilogy a serious low point for the heroes. Then Ep IX is Kylo realizing that she has gone too dark and he is terrified of the monster he created and the retribution arc is then having to save her from the Dark Side rather than the other way around.

7. Have Luke's last stand be a little bit more impressive. It was a great scene, and powerful in meaning. But just merely for projecting being the hardest thing a Jedi can do is kind of lame. I would have liked to have seen a few walkers get crushed from seemingly nothing after they fired on him then he has his showdown with Kylo.

I have no problem with them kneeling. Trump shouldn't voice an opinion on it either way. But if the NFL, as a business, decides they don't want them kneeling, that is a business operating for its own self interest and whether that decision makes or loses them money should determine how they move forward.

People shouldn't have a problem with them kneeling because it "disrespects the anthem/troops/flag/country", because that is stupid and taking issue with a peaceful protest. However, people can be rightfully bothered by the protest being hinged on a narrative that is rooted in media sensationalism rather than facts.

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That topic title lol

"Hot Car Death Parents" is metal AF

If you have to put your phone in the backseat so you don't forget your kid when you leave the car, you probably should have had an abortion. At least then half the country would call you a hero.

After a couple weeks of using it, I did the 10/mo for unlimited swipes, and exhausted indiscriminate right swipes until there were none left in the area.

Over the course of 5 months I landed about 20 (a few were a trip to the kennel) of them until the whole process ran its course and got stale now I've been with the gf for over two years after having met her on there as well.

It was worth the 10/mo

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Sunhawk posted...

I don't know. Most millennial writers (such as they are), seem to think of themselves less as writers, and more as businesspeople.

Kinda misses the whole point of writing, doesn't it?

I would agree that that defeats the purpose. I don't think most sensible people who self publish however are in it for the money. Hell, I've barely made anything and the only thing that bothers me is that means I don't have as large of an audience as I'd like.

The point of something like Createspace, at least to me, is to subvert the "it's who you know" process of typical publishing, which more often than not does not rely on quality for qualification, but instead is based on some type of "in" with a person at the company. I'd rather just have my stuff out there than hope for a miracle basically.

Is Createspace just a free digital publishing thing, like Amazon? Or is it actual physical publishing that you pay for?

It's both physical and digital publishing on Amazon, for free. I have physical copies of all my books on my shelf rn.

Printing on demand, I take it? Like someone buys a physical copy from Amazon, they print it at that point and ship it over? How much is a physical copy?

Yup, Print on demand. They give you a minimum price you can put based on page count. My cheapest book is $4.99 and my most expensive is $13.99.

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Oh and also how are covers handled? Is it up to you to provide the entire design yourself? That's one of the reasons I quit amazon publishing.

You can make your own PDF cover for free, or you can enlist their professional services for $199. I just make my own covers for free.

My art teacher from middle school has a bad ass western style, so I'll be paying her for a couple covers. The covers are important, despite the saying.

I read a non-fiction self-publishing strategy in which the first 5 days are free, second 5 are 50% off, then you charge full price. This allows more people to see your work and you generate quite a few reviews and downloads which should push it to the top of searches and recent releases.

I am going to self-publish in the 3.99 range so I can make higher percentage per copy, but I am good if they don't make much. I already have a career and writing it was much less financially motivated and more to get the ideas out of my head. My next one especially won't really be very accessible from a mainstream audience standpoint, so that's why I think releasing as an anthology will get it more exposure.

Turns out they are both actually still men

;)

60k is short for a novel, but seems to be about the minimum threshold, especially for a first timer.

An anthology is just a collection of work. In my case, they will all be stand alone stories with different characters, all loosely set in the same universe. Like characters from one might pass through the ruins of a town featured prominently in another one.

The 60k one I am very happy with, as I have been thinking about it for so long and finally just bit the bullet. Now I am procrastinating on starting the next one even though I don't see it being nearly as long and it's not as much of a mental burden.