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What I'm taking from that study is that it's much easier to pull people's strings than we think, even in a clinical setting, and no one is immune to propaganda.

And I mean that in a "this is a positive thing we learned" sense, not in a "duplicitous scientists!" sense.
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Suprak the Stud posted...

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/03/21/no-obama-didnt-employ-the-same-strategies-as-cambridge-analytica/#.WrJK9WsY5bs.twitter

Just because the current talking point I see exploding on Twitter is whatabout Obama! and its intellecially dishonest.

Whataboutism is easily one of the more toxic fallacies that's flying around the country today.

Probably not the most toxic, though. One of the strongest contenders for that title the dismissal of all news that isn't Fox News as 'fake news', co-opting a term that was meant to describe how gossip and rumors have been flying around more than real news.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

The people who bitch about Metal_DK every time he posts are 100 times more annoying than his schtick.

People who bitch about people who bitch about Metal_DK every time he posts are 1000 times more annoying than his schtick

Peace___Frog posted...

BowserCuffs posted...

I would not be surprised if people made similar complaints about the telephone when it became readily available to the common man.

https://pessimists.co

Not seeing any episodes about phones here, but damn if that isn't a useful blog.
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HashtagSEP posted...

Metal_DK posted...

Social media (and spare me the myspace was social media argument, we all know what people mean when people say social media)

I think this is a pretty odd thing to say, since in 2006 Myspace was literally the most popular site in the US, even beating out things like Google and Yahoo Mail, and wasn't overtaken by Facebook until 2009. Why randomly draw the line?

Probably because it doesn't fit his narrative that every little thing in the world was caused by computers and the internet becoming more readily available and socially acceptable in 2007.

I would not be surprised if people made similar complaints about the telephone when it became readily available to the common man.
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You know, Metal_DK, the more I hear you talk about this, the more it feels like you're harboring a grudge over the results of a contest and are trying to pin the blame for all the wrongs of the world on it.
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Metal_DK posted...

by the way, people do realize Trump won just like how L-Block won right?

Are you implying that GameFAQs has an electoral college where the voters are decided by the people who voted in the poll, one per board, meaning that even if a character other than L-Block won the popular vote, it was the electoral college that voted for L-Block?
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LOLIAmAnAlt posted...

BowserCuffs posted...

I wonder how many people are prepared to deal with dial-up again if they go back far enough?

Hey man, internet was free in those days.

Free dial up is still dial up.

And on that note, I don't actually remember a time when dial up was free. So I'm guessing you're referring to a time before I was born.
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Metal_DK posted...

And by binge watch I mean barely pay attention to the show because they are also on their phone tweeting about how they are watching the show and making sure they know all the celebrity deaths right when they happen so they get a few more likes, shares, and retweets because they are so "woke" and needing to be the newsbreaker.

What a strange caricature you're painting here. Kinda like a baby boomer's comic obsessing over Millennials and their phones.
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I wonder how many people are prepared to deal with dial-up again if they go back far enough?
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DragonImps posted...

Would depend on the specifics of how this works, but I'mma go with past. There're a few online communities that I would've liked to experience in their prime (both in-game and out).

Ah, you know what? I feel this right here.

it sucks when you join a community for your favorite game series from your childhood, only to realize that the community is a fraction of its former self and is very quickly on a downward trend as other people move on.

For the record, the fandom was once big enough to do a write-in campaign to convince the company to greenlight the fifth and final game in the series, finally bringing some closure to the franchise.

Of all the games that keep getting brought back from obscurity, Quest for Glory is one of those games that I honestly wish they would do, even if the final product ends up being worse than the original, it'd still be more content.
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trdl23 posted...

And here is another display of autocannibalism on the American Left.

Im all for honest discourse and not blindly following talking points like the Right does, but ffs, this kind of inane bickering and holier-than-thou attitude is almost as much of a threat as our opponents.

If you think this bickering is bad, go to any Morrowind forum and say "I think [TES game that isn't Morrowind] is a good game", or go to a Star Fox forum and say "I think [game that came after 64] is a good game" for a similar effect.

This is peanuts compared to that.

I mean, it's not like we were having an important debate in a political forum where what we say actually has an impact on things. We were arguing, on a gaming forum, about something that ultimately doesn't matter.

That just... happens. It happens between anyone. It gets heated, people get sarcastic or mad with each other, they walk away for a day, then things go back to normal.

This level of argument is nowhere close to auto-cannibalism.
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Future, because that's more games.

And I can probably take something from the present with me, pawn it off for an outrageous sum, and buy "old" games for the cheap.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

BowserCuffs posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I mean, it's not every day that the group is so awful that when their candidate loses, they go completely against everything their preferred candidate stood for out of spite, even siding with people who would want their candidate dead. That is fairly unique, yes.

This literally happened with certain Hillary supporters against Obama.

It happens literally every election.

Get the point, yet?

At the rate and extremity Bernie Bros jumped over to the alt-right? You sure about that?

I mean, they joined a group that thinks the candidate they preferred should die simply because he's Jewish?

Are you sure about that? Because I'm extremely skeptical.

None of what you said has anything to do with the phrase Bernie Bros.

The primary coverage was before the election, and if you think theres some monolithic group of Bernie supporters who all literally became Nazis youre fucking nuts.

...I was literally responding to what you said.

Sure, whatever, die on this hill for all I care. I was literally talking as a former Bernie supporter who was sick of that particular group of very vocal, very aggressive Bernie supporters. And I used a commonly accepted term for them. But sure, project all of your frustrations with the election on me, and try to paint me as a horrible jack-ass who is painting every Bernie supporter with the same brush despite having been one myself.

Now get the fuck off my dick.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I mean, it's not every day that the group is so awful that when their candidate loses, they go completely against everything their preferred candidate stood for out of spite, even siding with people who would want their candidate dead. That is fairly unique, yes.

This literally happened with certain Hillary supporters against Obama.

It happens literally every election.

Get the point, yet?

At the rate and extremity Bernie Bros jumped over to the alt-right? You sure about that?

I mean, they joined a group that thinks the candidate they preferred should die simply because he's Jewish?

Are you sure about that? Because I'm extremely skeptical.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

This is like the 4th time youve said Redrocket and I are both personally offended.

I dont think redrocket was a Bernie supporter, and why do we have to be offended to point out a stupid phrase was used?

'Cause you wouldn't have chosen this hill to die on if you didn't have some personal stake in it, of course.

You could have just admitted you made a terrible assumption, overreacted, and left it at that.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Thank you.

Dunno why none of these people admitting theyre not well-versed feel like clicking a link to see evidence of what Im talking about, and instead rely on their ideal assumption.

I mean, you literally said it "never" meant what it was intended to mean, which is what I had a problem with.

Either way, whether it got twisted or not, it never applied to you, so who cares?

Still didnt read the article, eh?

And I care because its a phrase that is so meaningless to be harmful to discourse tbh. Id point out this was originally brought up because BowserCuffs blamed it for Trump, which is silly.

No, I commented on the irony of people who were behind a Jewish man suddenly turning around, joining a group that gladly associates with neo-Nazis, and voting for Trump.

At no point did I say they were responsible for Trump becoming president.

What's silly is someone taking personal offense at a epithet that not only doesn't even apply to him, but is used 90% of the time to refer to a certain group of Bernie supporters that were, in fact, known for being especially awful.

I mean, it's not every day that the group is so awful that when their candidate loses, they go completely against everything their preferred candidate stood for out of spite, even siding with people who would want their candidate dead. That is fairly unique, yes.
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StealThisSheen posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Thank you.

Dunno why none of these people admitting theyre not well-versed feel like clicking a link to see evidence of what Im talking about, and instead rely on their ideal assumption.

I mean, you literally said it "never" meant what it was intended to mean, which is what I had a problem with.

Either way, whether it got twisted or not, it never applied to you, so who cares?

Exactly.

If you're not a Bernie Bro, why take offense?

You and rocket are acting like I personally visited your houses and pissed in your cereal and justified it by calling you Bernie Bros.
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redrocket_pub posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

xp1337 posted...

My understanding of the term was along the lines of, "subset of Sanders supporters whose defining characteristic was being anti-Clinton rather than pro-progressive policy as evidenced by seeming more interested in tearing down the Democrats than opposing Trump/Republicans after the primary"

but i'll admit i tend to stay away from social media so i have no idea what was going on out there

Pretty much this, yes. That's what the term meant. I'm sure it got misused over time as Tony contends, but it was never intended to "paint all male Bernie supporters as misogynistic."

This is what it meant for like, five minutes. But it quickly got overused to the point that it's now in the same category of "useful" terms as SJW.

Anything to justify taking personal offense at something that wasn't even directed at you, eh?
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Inviso posted...

It sounds to me like the "basket of deplorables" comment. It wasn't intended to insult EVERYONE, but those who it DIDN'T insult, didn't like the implication that they were connected to those it DID insult (either by unfairly labeling them with a similar broad brush, OR just not wanting to think they could associate with an ideology that draws such negative people in the first place.)

And that's the impression I'm getting from this conversation, as well.
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xp1337 posted...

My understanding of the term was along the lines of, "subset of Sanders supporters whose defining characteristic was being anti-Clinton rather than pro-progressive policy as evidenced by seeming more interested in tearing down the Democrats than opposing Trump/Republicans after the primary"

but i'll admit i tend to stay away from social media so i have no idea what was going on out there

Actually, that's a fairly good summary.
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So what do you feel about Bernie supporters who used "Bernie Bros" to talk about the douchebags?

'Cause there were plenty of jerks on the Bernie wagon that loved to talk shit about Hillary supporters, to the point where plenty of other Bernie supporters were actually ashamed to be associated with them by a supposedly common cause.

If you weren't one of these jerks, why are you taking this so personally?
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Bowsercuffs posted...

That doesn't mean they're above criticism at all - but then, there's criticism and then there's making up bulls***. And a lot of bulls*** flew around because the Bernie Bros didn't get their preferred candidate, so then they proceeded to swing Alt-Right out of spite.

Lmfao the only criticism of the Democratic Party you could come up with was about people who literally arent part of the Democratic Party?

No? That wasn't even a criticism aimed at the Democratic Party, that was a side-shot at the minority of Bernie Bros that swung to the alt-right after making up bullshit about Hillary.

redrocket_pub posted...

If by "Bernie Bros" you mean people who supported Bernie in the primary, let's please cut the fucking shit about them swinging to the Alt Right. That was an absolute tiny minority but for some reason people won't shut up about it. It's pretty much become the liberal version of "but her emails!" at this point. Once again, since apparently this can never be said enough times, more Bernie supporters voted for Hillary in the general than Hillary supporters voted for Obama in 2008.

You can kindly go fuck yourself now.

Have you forgotten I was someone who supported Bernie in the primary, too, or did you just not know?

I'm using "Bernie Bros" derogatory term for those minority of Bernie voters who threw a shitfit over Hillary losing, a good percentage of those people who then went on to vote for Trump and then embraced the alt-right.
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I pretty much identify as a progressive liberal.

That is, I vote for the party that I think will take our nation forward, socially. And, to that extent, they have to actually be capable of doing so (in other words, they have to have a chance of actually being elected, and right now, that disqualifies third party candidates)

Right now, that's the Democratic party. That doesn't mean they're above criticism at all - but then, there's criticism and then there's making up bullshit. And a lot of bullshit flew around because the Bernie Bros didn't get their preferred candidate, so then they proceeded to swing Alt-Right out of spite.

Because, you know, rubbing elbows with literal Neo-Nazis because your favorite candidate, who happens to be a Jewish man, didn't get the nomination, makes so much sense.

Anyways, my point is, I have loyalty to my ideals. And voting is not all-or-nothing - progress is made a step at a time. I would rather vote in a politician that represents 30% of my ideals than 0% of them - or worse, one that threatens so many people's rights and livelihoods, like Trump does.

And the day that the Republican candidate represents more of my ideals than the Democratic candidate does is the day I vote Republican.

But as the Republican party becomes more and more extremist, that seems less likely to happen.
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I think that Sears commercial is... seared into my brain.

I literally didn't realize I was typing a goddamn pun until I got halfway through that sentence.
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Punnyz posted...

It was some unofficial Nintendo system

A bootleg system? With its own commercial? Do you remember what it was called?

kateee posted...

hyundai

Oh, thanks.

The Hyundai Super Comboy, got it.

Thanks everyone!
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http://data.tumblr.com/249be880c770c7f5347db63cb52e016c/tumblr_p5evjfEvxp1vd5hkco1_raw.png

It's bugging me now - I think I remember seeing this before but I can't put my finger on it - and a reverse google image search isn't bringing me much luck, either.
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Johnbobb posted...

The potential was there but everyone had to complain about the series doing something even a little bit different

Unpopular opinion: This, right here, is a huge part of what's wrong with gaming fandoms and why they largely suck.

The second huge part is the mudslinging towards anyone who dares like something they don't like, to the point where they chase everyone who likes the game out of the forum and turns the forum into a negative echo chamber where they can pat themselves on the back for being "objectively right"
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tazzyboyishere posted...

The topic is for unpopular gaming opinions, so getting offended by an unpopular opinion is kinda dumb.

That's odd, I would think being offended by an unpopular opinion would actually be rather natural.

I mean, you were offended by my being offended to an unpopular opinion.

Shouldn't this topic also be for unpopular opinions about unpopular opinions regarding video games?
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LeonhartFour posted...

Bowser's Inside Story might be the best Mario RPG

I'm pretty damn biased but I have to agree.
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...

Well that's why he said he got them via PS+

Like I absolutely love Journey and games like that but I'm not gonna be snooty to him about it either if it's not for him

I mean, there's a pretty big difference between "this is the worst genre ever" and "this genre is not for me".
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swordz9 posted...

I know, but even at those low prices I wouldnt have been too happy.

Then don't buy them, simple as that :P
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Esuriat posted...

Unpopular opinions that shine a positive light on an aspect of an unpopular game are generally more compelling than "I hate this popular game" unpopular opinions

Yeah, the latter is a dime a dozen - the former is like a jewel in the rough.
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Honestly, at this point, there are only two types of fiscal conservatives.

The group that wants to give your tax money to the richest people in the country who are giving them money...

...and the group that buys the rhetoric the first group spouts.
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I find it kind of funny that we're basically begging for a sane conservative to talk to - but the problem is, all the sane conservatives steer clear of this topic, and all of the ones that refuse to argue in good faith are drawn to it like flies.
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Grimmer posted...

BowserCuffs posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Books 1-3 are good. Book 4 is a really hamfisted feminist tract that is pretty unreadable. I feel like Book 2 in particular is pretty slow, but the moments where the main characters spend time together are real good, and book 3 is the best of the lot.

(To clarify about book 4, the problem isn't that it's feminist. The problem is it's poorly written to reinforce the political message, and breaks tone and style completely from books 1-3. Just making that clear because I don't want this to be misunderstood.)

I honestly don't even remember book 4, but I never got the impression that it was a tract of any sort, let alone a feminist one.

The book I left off of was the one where you followed the prince and the main character of the first book as they were trying to find out why the magic was leaving the world. I stopped reading in the middle because I honestly just lost interest.

You don't remember book four, because you're describing book three. Book four was pretty heavy-handed as I recall, and the reason why I never got to book 5

Wait, really?

Huh.

I could've sworn I read more than two books.
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Nostalgic opinions of old games has more to do with remembering flaws as a positive rather than a negative, leading to a skewed opinion.

And too many people are incapable of separating their opinion from fact. When you think about it, back in the day, magazines only had so much room to cover things, and they usually preferred to cover games that would sell well, meaning shovelware didn't receive any focus.
Nowadays, all games can receive coverage equally because the internet doesn't run out of "magazine space", so people are actually getting to see more of the games that are bad now.

This is what has created the phenomenon that leads people to believe that new games are strictly inferior to older games, when quality has been steadily increasing overall, albeit with upswings, downswings, and snags here and there (like the recent "Okay, that's enough of that" debacle with overpriced DLC for an overpriced game that even led to Disney cracking down on EA).

The market will change as things like that happen.

But for what it's worth, the market has *always* emphasized graphics over gameplay, even back in the days before the NES - it's the easiest thing to demonstrate that your console is superior to the others over. I honestly wish this wasn't the case because graphics are honestly one of the last things you should value in a game - graphical *style* is honestly more important, and it's why some games age better than others.
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So it sounds like, from what I'm hearing, if the movie is remotely decent, it may actually be better than the book
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Books 1-3 are good. Book 4 is a really hamfisted feminist tract that is pretty unreadable. I feel like Book 2 in particular is pretty slow, but the moments where the main characters spend time together are real good, and book 3 is the best of the lot.

(To clarify about book 4, the problem isn't that it's feminist. The problem is it's poorly written to reinforce the political message, and breaks tone and style completely from books 1-3. Just making that clear because I don't want this to be misunderstood.)

I honestly don't even remember book 4, but I never got the impression that it was a tract of any sort, let alone a feminist one.

The book I left off of was the one where you followed the prince and the main character of the first book as they were trying to find out why the magic was leaving the world. I stopped reading in the middle because I honestly just lost interest.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Blackscar posted...

Just watch the movie. It's better than the books.

Just to be clear, don't watch the animated one. It's awful.

The Studio Ghibli one?

I remember sitting down and trying to watch the live action one and just turning the DVD player off in frustration.
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Nanis23 posted...

Ok obviously the "good" wasn't serious

But he really did spout a lot of nosense over the years
And he hates Israel with passion so forgive me if I take my hate towards him personally

I'm almost afraid to ask what you consider nonsense to be.
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Right.

That makes him sound like some crazy misotheist that hates God and wants to disprove him to all others.

When that's only what hyper-religious people think he is.

Being an atheist due to lack of evidence, and not believing in an afterlife for the same reason, is not the same as being a misotheist.
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May he be succeeded by passionate scientists, eager to learn more about the universe around us...
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I just use hair shampoo or soap, depending on how long I'm keeping my beard
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ninkendo posted...

It's the compilation of Smash 1-4 with the older games in hd and online added

Honestly that sounds pretty awesome
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Strife2 posted...

Yeah it was. It was the one where the doofuses were walking up an escalator and Ann was like, "Someone's stalking me. Take this seriously and stop yawning at me" They even had a POV of Yusuke's hand before, "Dude...step off."

Oh, I was thinking of a different scene, sorry about that.
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Strife2 posted...

Yusuke's intro

That wasn't anime, though, that was just a cutscene.
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I enjoyed the books for awhile, then I just eventually stopped reading.
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Bad marketing
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Icehawk posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

Probably bad for the Dems that the conventional wisdom is becoming "narrow Lamb win" since the margin of error on the polling average is way higher than his lead.

I don't think any democrat is taking any election for granted any time soon, especially with the word "narrow" in there.

I hope to the gods that you're right.
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