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christ stop fucking insisting this hearing is akin to an FBI investigation
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Para you should apply to be a Jeopardy clue editor
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20 foul balls!
Dr Pizza would be proud
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Scherzer also faced a slightly easier schedule than deGrom! Since the Nats have extra Orioles game (of which Scherzer pitched 1, I think) and the Mets have extra Yankees game (and deGrom pitched 1).

here's this as mentioned: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/158285888399343617/494634669422149653/20180926_181902.jpg

(This was going into tonight)
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Momentum into the playoffs is totally way over-evaluated. I am pretty sure there has been research done (I'm taking the lazy way here and not actually looking) that having a bad final couple weeks relative to the rest of your season (or in general) (and still being in the playoffs) has little to no impact on postseason performance.
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Perspective: Jacob DeGroms 29 straight starts allowing 3 runs or less was never done:

1) By Bob Gibson in the Year of the Pitcher.
2) During the Dead-Ball era of the early 20th century.
3) By any pitcher EVER going back over 100 years.
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Final stats:
217 IP, 152 H, 41 ER, 46 BB, 269 K, 10 HR, 1.70 ERA, 10-9

i'll probably get more of the advanced metrics and shit tomorrow but this should be nice for now.

3 outs away from a nice ERA to go with his nice strikeouts
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deGrom's final start - 8 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 10 K - 110 pitches.
Struck out his final 2 batters in the 8th to earn his 1000th career Strikeout.

Utter dominance.

Quite literally one of the best pitchers I've ever seen.

Should be the unanimous Cy Young.

In line for his 10th win barring the 9th inning (Conforto mashed a massive bomb for him in the 8th, Smith got one too. so 3-0 lead)

And editting this because the Mets just won so he finishes with a winning record after all, 10-9.
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he has early onset which means he might be ok short term but its going to cause issues over several years and it will get worse
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Rams
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WHO COULD IT BE???????

hmmmmmmmmmm
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Matt Harvey said he was open to just about anything in free agency, but... "There's only one team out there I would not sign with, that's about it."

I mean, can you blame him?
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tag. i guess. I havent really like South Park at all the last several seasons, I didn't even watch the last 4 or so episodes last season. We'll try again.
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guffguy89 posted...

hopefully the pitchers show some respect and give him something he can hit.

Bartolo did it for Dee Gordon in the Jose Fernandez game and we're seeing the Marlins so..............

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

Since that article touched on the Yankees broadcast team, I do actually think they've improved. David Cone specifically. I don't know if anything actually changed with him, maybe I just wasn't paying attention. But he used to be very dull. This year he's been really good though. I think as long as you have him with Michael Kay or Ken Singleton, the Yankees broadcast is usually solid.

I think mostly its shots at the "headliners" of Kay and Sterling. I will say even though Sterling is bad, he has a great radio voice
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And now its official - Wright activated from the DL after almost 3 years. Will PH once in this ATL series before starting at 3B on Saturday vs Miami. Truly surreal he gets to play, if only one more time. All that rehab and hard work paid off, in some way.
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Lot of emotions today between Wright activated from DL, and Jose Fernandez death anniversary

Here is also an article about the Mets announcers, Gary, Keith, and Ron; which I am surprised does not mention their handling of the Fernandez game/ceremony, as that is one of their most defining moments.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/25/magazine/mets-baseball-gary-keith-ron.html

And the video from the Fernandez moments:


https://www.sny.tv/video/1187281283/gary-and-keith-on-jose-fernandez
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Rockies 0.5 back of STL for the WC and 1.5 back of LA for the division is really the only race left

Also DAVID WRIGHT ACTIVATED TODAY OMG

So as of today then, David Wright officially holds the active streak for consecutive games with a Home Run (3), as he did this 3 games in a row in 2016 before going on the DL.
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woops deleted my post cuz I posted already and forgot i did
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the only esports i watch is para on LoZ Randomizer so i don't know which option that counts as
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Nintendog (Nintendogs)
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A's Brewers world series lets go
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oops purge
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BTW - fuck addison russell
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Yes, all valid points. (I also am biased for deGrom obviously). And WAR gets overused sometimes - it's definitely not a be-all end-all metric with its own share of flaws, like every stat. And some degree of intangibles matters - and everyone has their own. deGrom's if anything would be "aw come on don't you feel bad for the guy? Pitches his ass off and doesn't get a win". Not the best horse to ride on.

deGrom goes tonight @ WSH, and one more next week, probably vs Atlanta if they want to keep him on normal rest (since he's been slightly worse generally with an extra day). It's too bad the rain delay last week denied him one extra start but it's not like he's going for a milestone counting stat or anything.
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Yes, for sure its hard to compare hitters and pitchers, but I don't think we are in much debate (maybe?) that deGrom is the best player in the NL this year. It's the context of the award. If you think its fair for it to be more team-based thats fine. I don't think of it that way as much. Or think it shouldn't be anyway. Most standalone value is how I see it.

And yeah, Kershaw's 6 CGs that year were stupid good. That alone is enough to do it. The ERA is there with that in Kershaw's year. For the averages, Kershaw was def better, but there is something to counting stats measuring up as well. Having more IP has some meaning. Kershaw was better, and I'd vote for him in that year and actually you have a similar parallel there with Sale/Snell this year. I personally would vote Sale over Snell, but it is a fair point in Snell's favor that he has more games/IP.

And yes I agree these are fun debates! I like this kind of stuff. I don't think anyone, mets fans included, truly expects deGrom to win MVP. There is just a good case for it. Like I won't think he was robbed or anything if he doesn't win, mostly because the opinion differences are too strong.

Actually, the odd thing is with the current field - lots of very strong but no odds-on favorite for the NL MVP among the hitters - while that helps deGrom's chances of WINNING - it also increases his chances of placing lower. Like if there was one clear cut offensive favorite, then a bunch of solid guys, and deGrom , he would be a more likely clear #2, but have 0 chance of winning. But in the current climate, he COULD get #1, but I think it'd be much harder for him to get #2 than in that other scenario.
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I mean that is all my opinion obviously. You are welcome to have your own definitions of value and how you perceive and the big difference is going to be "The player has the same value no matter what team he's on. His value is determined by his performance. His value is not determined by his teammates performance."

Yelich's pitcher throwing a CG SHO shutout to give his team a win, or his teammate hitting a walkoff home run, again giving his team an extra win, to me, should not add value to Yelich.

I get the idea of wanting to reward a player on a winning team - they were helpful in getting their team to the playoffs. Maybe that is what you call value, and thats fine. I think its more important to highlight the best player period. Is there an award like that? What award do we give to just "The best player in baseball (or at least each league)"?
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red13n posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

deGrom is having the best season I've seen a starting pitcher have in at least 15 years, so that's something

He's certainly more impressive than Kershaw or Verlander when they won their MVPs

no, hes not.

deGrom 2018 - 1.78 ERA, 30 G, 202.2 IP, 207 ERA+, 2.05 FIP, 2.68 xFIP, 6.5 H/9, 0.4 HR/9, 2.0 BB/9, 11.2 K/9, 9.1 bWAR, 8.0 fWAR, 8-9

Kershaw 2014 - 1.77 ERA, 27 G, 198.1 IP, 197 ERA+, 1.81 FIP, 2.08 xFIP, 6.3 H/9, 0.4 HR/9, 1.4 BB/9, 10.8 K/9, 7.7 bWAR, 7.6 fWAR, 21-3

I included W-L for the hell but lol.

I said before about deGrom having 2.0 fWAR better than the highest NL position player (Yelich is actually 6.1, so it's 1.9 better SUE ME) vs Kershaw's 0.4 gap, but if we're just talking Kershaw vs deGrom those are the numbers for you.deGrom gave up 3 in 7 in his last start so he went very slightly down from the last time I posted, but he's basically neck and neck with MVP Kershaw there, WL record and team record aside. Kershaw has a solid jump on FIP/xFIP, deGrom's 207 ERA+ is crazy, and he has the WAR stats going for him for whatever that's worth. As of right this second, Kershaw's season is probably slightly better but another 2 great starts could change that.

You add to deGrom's fact that he's way better than the next best candidate and that says MVP to me...

Think about how over the last month+ we went from arguing whether or not he'd win the Cy Young to it basically being a sure thing at this point - a lot of that is Nola/Scherzer falling off a bit while deGrom didn't, but that gap looks relatively like his gap between Yelich for MVP, as far as player quality.

guffguy89 posted...

But when your trying to figure out what it means to be a "Valuable" player, it just seems evident that team success is a factor that plays into that decision.

People love that argument in the NBA when they say stuff like "well even though X is the best player, they'd be just as great without him, so is he really that valuable?". I don't know why it doesn't come up as much in MLB but its the same fallacious way of thinking imo. It shouldn't be perceived as value to that team in particular. It's just value. How much are they worth? How many WINS are they worth? But when Wins are a team effort, you can only look at how much an individual player with those stats influences wins. You will win more games with a player like deGrom on your team than a player like Yelich. That's what WAR is trying to get at.

If you look at team wins you are diluting one player's elements with everyone else's on that team. In that case, the MVP isn't really going to a player, it's going to a team.

MVP voting should be based on statistics. Different statistics have different levels of importance to different people which is where the personality comes in. It shouldn't be by computers because theres no clear definition of what stats are better than others - everyone has their own opinions. But then you should be using stats that are actually reflective of that players performance.

If you define value as "helps their team win games", just because Yelich's team has won more games doesn't mean he was worth more wins. The fact that you can say "This player would win the MVP if he were on Team X but would not win if he were on Team Y" ie "He has more value on Team X, than on Team Y" doesn't make sense. The player has the same value no matter what team he's on. His value is determined by his performance. His value is not determined by his teammates performance.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

deGrom is having the best season I've seen a starting pitcher have in at least 15 years, so that's something

He's certainly more impressive than Kershaw or Verlander when they won their MVPs

and yeah to this. He set an MLB all time single season record for most consecutive starts giving up 3 ER or fewer. I believe only one 4-burger. Although I will admit this contains his one shortened start, first start off the DL (or I think he was just DTD and missed 1 start or something), when he was on a 50 pitch limit. He threw 45 pitches in the first inning and didn't give up any runs. There were 20 foul balls hit off him that inning. This doesn't really apply to much besides situational stuff, I just think its absurd.
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Further, what is the bigger inhibiting factor to his MVP case?

Is it more his personal W-L record, or is it the fact the Mets are not a playoff team?

Two scenarios:

1. deGrom is still 8-9 with the same other stats, but the Mets are a playoff team (ie, they score absurdly well when any other player pitches but still have horrific offense/bullpen when he goes for whatever reason).

2. deGrom is a 20-game winner (ie the offense and bullpen barely does enough to scrape by for his starts), but the team is still a 75-win team, with all the same other stats.

How much do you think these 2 scenarios changes his odds? Which one is better for him? How do you think it SHOULD be?
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I mean I think the most fair point to be had is that he doesn't play every day - thats a valid point to make. But in this case, I think the jump between deGrom (plus Scherzer and Nola) vs Yelich/Baez/Freeman/Carpenter/Cain/etc is too notable to ignore. If you think deGrom is a better player than Yelich but vote for Yelich anyway for MVP, acknowledging that you are NOT voting for the player who is better, you are saying "deGrom's offense behind him and bullpen was too shitty for me to consider deGrom a more valuable player".

Re: pressure. deGrom has plenty of pressure that no one else has. He has NO run support. His bullpen is a disaster. More than any other pitcher in baseball, he has the pressure that he knows he has to be absolutely PERFECT in order to win games. I forget the exact stat but I believe he leads baseball this year in "being in line for a Win when he leaves the game and then not getting one". His goal is to prevent runs from scoring which he does better than any pitcher - and his games are just as meaningful as any from a competitive point of view. Although we as fans see it as the pressure of a playoff race, they all have the same job to go out there and not give up runs. deGrom has the least room for error of anyone. And yet he's STILL the best pitcher in baseball this year despite that.

re: "did this player win more games than he lost?" - Wins is inherently a team stat, not an individual stat. The MVP is an individual award.
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Spring Breeze Dancin'
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^^^ And Votto was second!

This you can say shows a trend, but I say more of a so what to how they voted in the past. It shouldn't be that way. The most prestigious award should go to the best player in the league. Not to the "best player on a good team". If you want to also give some award for that fine, but why should that award carry more weight and meaning to it then "Best Player"?
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Stanton also won last year with the sub-.500 Marlins, as the article I linked addresses
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I think if you want to think of value that way, you would want something like "what players give your team the best chances to win?" Right? Who adds the most value? That would mean looking at stuff like Win Probability Added.

And the Silver Slugger is not a heralded award, its just kind of there but no one really cares about it. The 2 most heralded awards are Cy Young and MVP. I think there's an award for best overall hitter in the league (Hank Aaron award maybe? I don't know.). People definitely do have different definitions of value though which is why some take it one way and won't vote for players on losing teams for that reason, and some will. An award with these definitions has made its way to the forefront as basically the most meaningful award.

Shouldn't the most meaningful award in the league simply go to the best player?
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(I would vote Scherzer and maybe even Nola above those players too FWIW).
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That's what I think MVP should be - simply the best player. The "Value" thing leads to a ton of ambiguousness and you can argue what that means, but at the end of the team, if you think it means something complicated like "best player on a winning team" or "elevated the team from a losing team to a winning team", why would you want to vote on a complicated facet such as that? Isn't it a lot more sensical to just vote on "who is the best player?"

If deGrom were up against the AL MVP Powerhouse like Betts, Trout, Martinez, etc I don't think he should win - but to me, he's a clear cut above guys like yelich, baez, carpenter, freeman, etc. When it comes down to it, who would you most want to have on your team (needs, contracts, etc aside) - the 2018 version of Yelich, Baez, or deGrom?

Those guys have all had great years - but the only player you can say has had a completely dominant, fantastic, and HISTORICALLY GREAT year in the NL is deGrom. Period.
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Also also:
Clayton Kershaw, in his 2014 MVP campaign: 0.2 fWAR over the best position player
Jacob deGrom, in 2018: Freaking 2.0 fWAR over the best position player
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https://www.mlb.com/mets/news/jacob-degrom-should-be-national-league-mvp/c-295265432

Also AL MVP should be Mike Trout. At an absolute bare minimum Top 2. It's crazy he's being ignored.

He is literally having one of the best 15 (offensive) seasons in MLB of all time (since divisional play began in 1969):
https://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/tiny.fcgi?id=SCxkp
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Kyrie Irving
JR Smith
Lance Stephenson
Draymond Green
Enes Kanter
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ARTHRITIS!!!! at fucking 27.

what the fucking fuck.

of course career-debilitating injuries only happen to our franchise players or beloved folk heroes.
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also hey

guess what

The Mets are literally only the Mets.

"Wilmer Flores has been diagnosed with early onset arthritis in both knees."

the combination of incompetence with being wildly cursed is truly something.
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neonreaper posted...

We had some guys near Boston run into this situation this week and they tried to hold it for ransom. And then the company that makes the banners just was like, OK we'll just do another one, so the guys returned it, hoping for good playoff tickets and they got nothing.

Return it to them but ask for something nice and if they don't or give something lame back, make a fuss on social media.
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Tie again
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ok i'll bite

Level 2: Bucs
Bonus: Fitz > Rodgers > Eli
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Yeah I'm just saying it's not a question of pessimism. It's just the way it is. Optimism would be short-sighted. I like to think I'm as optimistic as can be realistically expected at least, given the circumstances (which is - they could luck into being good).
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BTW re my comments before about next year. Don't get me entirely wrong. I'm excited about a lot of the young core and the things they have to offer. Guys like Nimmo, Conforto, Rosario, McNeil are all fun players to watch on offense. At least now. Same for the pitching. Like I trust deGrom to be consistent, but no one else can be. The mets pitching was mediocre to awful to start the year, besides deGrom. The offense was fine to start, then realllly tailed off in most of the middle months, and picked slightly back up lately Sure they look great now, but you can't ignore those months and just be like oh they looked good at the end we're good to go and be optimistic about it. "Ending strong" doesn't mean much more vs looking at the season at a whole. Sure it's better to trend upwards, but that just means they may have to do it over again, and deal with awfulness for 2-3 months , and that DOES matter. April and May matter just as much as August and September (unless you know you're out of it obv). I mostly think a lot of their success is not sustainable because we've seen the same players exert the same non-successfulness for a lot of the year. Guys made strides and improvements, but everyone is always prone to fluctuations in both directions, more the negative way. Starting bad and improving later is not a recipe for success.

But the Mets don't show strong year to year consistency for their players who were good one year but not the next. A lot of times it's because an injury (either shorter or longer term) leads to longer-term performance issues , or just general lack of performancy consistency. Or they'll get injured and then again, either not return, or return significantly affected by it. Just because they look good NOW doesn't mean they'll be good again. That's why you need to take advantage of it WHILE they look good - or premptively evaluate who is going for fall off and fill in depth properly. The Wilpons/Mets are always awful at this and prefer to never spend ANYTHING on depth. guys like Frazier and Bruce should be depth in a perfect world.
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^ this was all like right as he was having his press conference btw. So I tried to be quick on the draw
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of course! I asked my dad if he wanted to go, but he took like 2 hours to get back to me. I luckily was still able to get SROs from mets.com for like $30 (no actual sets left), and I checked 20 mins later and they were all sold out. The cheapest ones on the secondary market at the time were like 90 bucks for the upper deck/last row seats, so caught a break there.
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