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Terra-enforcer posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

Wait Han, in what world does a scum Terra bus Scare from day 1 and stand at the forefront of the lynch through day 2 without hopping off when there are plenty of opportunities to do so? I get that you haven't played with me, but that's almost beyond bussing. I've been thorough with my thoughts and arguments, I've pressed people I doubted, and I made logical arguments why I side with you to Han. Not sure what in particular you think I did that comes across as scummy. Every time I see you mention me as scum you basically just say "dunno guess he fits here" which isn't a great case.

I don't remember you bussing Scare from Day 1, tbqh. I stopped rereading at topic 2, and you haven't posted enough for me to really recall what you've done this game. That's kinda why you're in the ???? tier with me saying "eh I haven't really noticed much".

I've been busy irl so my post count isn't high as it generally is, but I think my content is still sufficient unless you're just glossing over it.

You said the ??? a few times, but even more I've seen you attribute me with being on the side of scum, which is what I was getting at. And literally all you need to do to see where I voted is look at EoD or beginning of day votals lol. I stood my ground on the Scare lynch post Chris jump, and I kept with those thoughts to today. But I guess we have more important matters to attend to, I just wanted that to be stated.

Seems pretty clear that Pirate was lying about the cop/vanilla but has some other pr of some kind. Probably best not to push him too much considering he seems like the kind of new player to give away too much if you keep poking him.

I'm so exhausted from manning the keyboard to make sure that I've done what I can to help out Town if I get lynched today. I apologize for forgetting stuff about you. Some things you said (I just saw that I said i didn't like that you called the lynch bad) I said I didn't like, but then you pointed out that you were around for end of day. And really, I just forgot a lot about anything you've done.

If remaining Scum isn't Scare/Death/Lolo/Pendragon, then we've got at least one who is looking pretty good (unless it's Sultan, and I think I'm one of the few who is clearing him).
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Well then Pirate, I hope you're happy lynching the guy who would (probably?) guard you.

Pirate won't get a scan off tonight. He'll be roleblocked into oblivion.

For the record, Pirate was upset at the start of day because he didn't realize Red was Scum. I don't think he fakes that as Scum, so I'm pretty sure he's telling the truth about that Chris scan.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

@UltimaterializerX

Votals would be nice if eaed isn't around, please and thank you.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Pirate_Harris posted...

I'm actually mario, VETERAN cape (Vanilla)

Pirate_Harris posted...

It just says cape and vanilla han...

Pirate_Harris posted...

I'm Mario not cape

Maybe Pirate actually is Cop, but he didn't scan either of us and is trying to hide that he is actually Cop now?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Terra-enforcer posted...

Wait Han, in what world does a scum Terra bus Scare from day 1 and stand at the forefront of the lynch through day 2 without hopping off when there are plenty of opportunities to do so? I get that you haven't played with me, but that's almost beyond bussing. I've been thorough with my thoughts and arguments, I've pressed people I doubted, and I made logical arguments why I side with you to Han. Not sure what in particular you think I did that comes across as scummy. Every time I see you mention me as scum you basically just say "dunno guess he fits here" which isn't a great case.

I don't remember you bussing Scare from Day 1, tbqh. I stopped rereading at topic 2, and you haven't posted enough for me to really recall what you've done this game. That's kinda why you're in the ???? tier with me saying "eh I haven't really noticed much".
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Pirate_Harris posted...

It just says cape and vanilla han... I don't have a power and only faked it to feel like I had some control over the game

No, it doesn't.

[LD1] Jedimess - Pikachu, VETERAN Vanilla
[NK1] DoomTheGyarados - Captain Falcon, VETERAN Falcon Punch (1-Shot Vigilante)
[NK1] red13n - Simon Belmont, NEWCOMER Vanilla
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Doopliss_Power posted...

I'd be surprised if Scare tried to set up a scum/scum lynch at the start of the day before moving on to you. It only brings needless attention to Death's play, and the "feeling out a read" doesn't help Death's case since we all know Scare is scum by the end of the day.

I don't think he was setting up a scum/scum lynch though. I think he fakeclaimed on Death to get Death to claim to have info, then backed off right away. I think it was a plan, since Scare bounced to me right away.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Pendragon, I promise you that you aren't any good at Scum.

Also, this is the first time you've said anybody is Scum all game. If you ARE Town, then you are very bad at it.

Lastly, I thought FD was Town for most of the game. He has been boneheaded about Scare's fake claim on me, so I got frustrated and said he had to be Scum.

Upon reread, I don't think that is correct and I adjusted my thoughts accordingly.

Anyway, if you think the only reason I think you are Scum is because your posts look coached, then you haven't read enough of the game. I'm sorry the game ended up being more than you can handle, given how busy you must be, but them's the breaks.

Pirate_Harris posted...

I'm actually mario, VETERAN cape (Vanilla)

... Vanillas don't have moves as their names.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Doopliss_Power posted...

Anyway, when Scare flips scum we know Death is almost certainly Town

????
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

benjamin3740 posted...

Han, why do you care if Pirate is serious if you already know Scare is scum?

If I live, I kinda don't want to lose my life guarding a vanilla Pirate, even if he's saving my bacon now.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

ScareChan posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

ScareChan posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

ScareChan posted...

Oh yeah doop and geno too. They have been most sketch votes on me especially geno

I feel like pirate has been town even though he has yoyo every way and ended up on me anyways. He seems town

Ok, let's say me, Lolo, doop, geno, and pirate are all lynched. There's at least one Scum left.

Who is it between?

No idea right now

That's not good enough.

Let's say Ben is mayor, and you die at the end of today no matter what.

You're ok dying with that pitiful list being all you put out?

Come on, now. Town Scare wouldn't be so lax.

That's 5 and red and I highly doubt its 7 scum. I would have to see who was still alive an analyze them.

You don't get to see who's still alive. Hypothetical, all that list doesn't hit them all.

You die today. It's your last chance to get your thoughts out.

Also, Pirate, are you actually being serious? I don't want to do an ISO of today to make sure your scan lines up with your thoughts, and I'm inclined to not believe you right now.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

ScareChan posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

ScareChan posted...

Oh yeah doop and geno too. They have been most sketch votes on me especially geno

I feel like pirate has been town even though he has yoyo every way and ended up on me anyways. He seems town

Ok, let's say me, Lolo, doop, geno, and pirate are all lynched. There's at least one Scum left.

Who is it between?

No idea right now

That's not good enough.

Let's say Ben is mayor, and you die at the end of today no matter what.

You're ok dying with that pitiful list being all you put out?

Come on, now. Town Scare wouldn't be so lax.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Pendragon71037 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Where the hell did Pendragon come from?

I just got home from work and finished catching up.

So why aren't you voting for Scare yet?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Where the hell did Pendragon come from?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Pirate, were you told he was Scum or Newcomer?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

ScareChan posted...

Oh yeah doop and geno too. They have been most sketch votes on me especially geno

I feel like pirate has been town even though he has yoyo every way and ended up on me anyways. He seems town

Ok, let's say me, Lolo, doop, geno, and pirate are all lynched. There's at least one Scum left.

Who is it between?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

hombad46 posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

hombad46 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

I hate this day, it's all stupid.

Same. Im thinking if either one of them gets to one vote away, Ill hammer just to get this over with

##Unvote
##Vote: hombad

Look this has all just been nonsense

Ending day early is bad for Town in most situations.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

ScareChan posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Hey Scare, question - if you're lynched today, who should Town go for after me?

Probably lolo. You have been trying to burn him all day , I think its distancing

Ok. Who after that?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

This is given the hypothetical you are Town, of course.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Hey Scare, question - if you're lynched today, who should Town go for after me?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

The Wildfire Chicken Salad from Bob Evans.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Doopliss_Power posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Aww fuck yeah guess what just arrived, guys.

The Daycop scan you'd been neglecting to tell us you'd receive two hours before the end of day 2, which you will use to annihilate Pendragon once and for all.

No, even better.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

ScareChan posted...

If han was town he would be ecstatic to go 1 for 1

Bitch, I'm worth at least 3 Scum.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Aww fuck yeah guess what just arrived, guys.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

ScareChan posted...

Votals and end of day?

10:42:16 EST

Votals might be even at the moment, but if Shonen hops back on me, then I'll be at +1.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Forceful_Dragon posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

So here's what I want from you FD, then I'll stop being mad at you.

1. Promise that Scare dies tomorrow if I'm lynched today and are town.

Fixed.

And done. If you are town and I am alive tomorrow I will be an Avatar of your vengeance and follow your gut with gusto.

You still have to admit you're making the bad play tho
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Hbthebattle posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

I have also come to a decision.

##Vote: Han
As Ive said before I shouldnt have let Chris talk me out of this.

Hb, who is more likely to be Town?

The person who spent most of today talking through theories, engaging with others, making sure that if he died, the Town had his full set of thoughts?

Or the guy who has done literally nothing but out a (possibly Town) power role and then just say somebody else is Scum while providing zero content?

Han, the reason I am voting you is that I have found you very shady this entire game. I dont buy the cause I felt like it argument. I dont buy that Scare is trying to suicide because hes playing another game. Thered be no reason for him not to claim roleblocked especially considering no one has stood up to claim roleblocked.

See, here's the thing - Chris probably wasn't roleblocked, unless we have a SK.

Which means, if you weren't roleblocked... and Scare wasn't roleblocked... well, that leaves me.

I was probably the roleblock target.

There are a few other people who soft-claimed power, but I don't remember who they are... since nobody has stood up to say they are roleblocked, it makes a TON of sense for that to be me.

Additionally HB, this is what I want you to do: Realize that "strange" does not mean "Scummy". Chris can explain it better, but there's a fallacy in a lot of players where something that is out of the ordinary... be it someone's playstyle, something they said, or their claim... reads as suspicious. Because it's weird. That's natural to think.

But weird does not mean Scum. Scum try to fit in. Scum are very very sparingly the ones that act odd.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

At this point, this lynch should give some good insight on peoples' allegiances this game. A couple of notes:

1. There should be at least 1 Scum on Scare. You should be looking at the people who voted him when I was ahead, and also the people who voted Scare to push him ahead when we were tied.

2. Nothing Scare can possibly say absolves him. Not a Mason claim where FD promises he and Scare planned to do the bluff from the beginning, not a cop scan that says Scare is innocent, nothing short of death(and Death is not permitted to save him either!)

3. If you are Town and on my lynch at the end of the day, you need to go to Chris's Mafia Advice topic after this game is over and take some notes.

I've done my work. I'll be around to answer questions, but at this point, I'm exhausted and just want to play Witcher.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Forceful_Dragon posted...

And Han it is abundantly clear that you are trying much harder than scare today.

You have been putting in The Work
Scare has generally not done a lot since he committed to his alleged scan result in you.

But working harder today does not mean you are town. I've seen prodigious efforts made by caught scum to eek out I've extra mislynch before the lynch.

Hell, iirc you put up a decent fight in Blade mafia day 2 as well when I Hid behind you the night before and very clearly telegraphed it. You were dead to rights but you fought the lynch and tried to present an argument why my death might have meant something else.

And it's a good trait to have regardless of alignment.

And if you flip town I WILL give a lot of weight to everything you have presented today. I understand that not much consolation, but it's all I have to offer.

Break is ending now. I should be back again before deadline.

So here's what I want from you FD, then I'll stop being mad at you.

1. Promise that Scare dies tomorrow if I'm lynched today.
2. Promise that Death/Lolo/Pendragon are after.

You know my gut is the best. You know my reads are worth listening to more than the majority of players. Promise me you will heed that. And lastly...

3. Admit that you are making the wrong play, but can't convince yourself to not blindly follow the scan.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Hbthebattle posted...

I have also come to a decision.

##Vote: Han
As Ive said before I shouldnt have let Chris talk me out of this.

Hb, who is more likely to be Town?

The person who spent most of today talking through theories, engaging with others, making sure that if he died, the Town had his full set of thoughts?

Or the guy who has done literally nothing but out a (possibly Town) power role and then just say somebody else is Scum while providing zero content?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Ok, I'm going to call my Lolo case study over at the end of day 1.

So here is Lolo's entire body of work for D1: 61 posts.

These posts neatly fit into three categories:

1. Posts with at least three lines of real content.
2. Posts that were mostly one-liners, not more than three sentences, almost completely fluff.
3. Single line questions (sometimes with an accompanying fluff statement, such as "you need to unvote")

How many posts of each type?

>three lines posts - 4
Fluffy one-liners - 29
Single line questions - 28

Twenty-fucking-eight. That's just under half of his posts. Just under half of his posts were questions with ZERO follow-up.

This is Scummy as hell, because it allows a player to look active, while making ALL the content they produce solely in the hands of others.

Go do an ISO of Lolo. See how much content he actually produces himself. See how many god. Damn. Questions he asks... that lead nowhere.

He asks and asks and asks and asks but they literally lead nowhere.

And no reads either.

It's almost annoying to go through and tally every one-liner question because that's HALF of what he's done.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Here's a prime post pointing at Lolo and Death being Scummates:

htaeD posted...

Actually considering red was scum and Scare (as far as I am concerned) is scum, Lolo not joining Chris on the one town train is a good look.

Unless he was that unwilling to dirty his hands.

Hbthebattle posted...

Something rubs me wrong about the whole Metal Blade/Leaf Shield thing in the first place.

One, you didnt need to claim your flavor on that day, nobody asked you to do so.

I'm going to ignore your flavor reason because I can give you an example of any single character in the game being any role you give me.

Now, the reason I claimed flavor in the first place was because I was trying to get Geno to give me his claim again. I used my flavor as an example to make sure I was clear, since he was upset with me and being obstinate.

(and as I already said, I picked Metal Blade because I thought Leaf Shield gave away that I was protection)
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Thanks Ben, but that doesn't move you up a tier in my list ;)

If I were to pick candidates to be wrong about on my Scum side... it would be Death, who Chris did Townclear. But man, he looked Scummy as fuck day 1, and Death knows better than to vote for me here so... feeling Chris is wrong on that one.

Lolo also has some credit for following onto Scare's lynch... doesn't have any for being on Red's though. But I need to finish my case study! brb
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

ScareChan posted...

if you accepted both me and han straight up, as 1 shots my save is more valuable than hans .

xD

Yours is 1-shot.

Mine can only work once, but I don't lose it after one night.

For someone arguing "mechanically correct", you sure are miles away.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Shonen_Bat posted...

but I've been completely upfront with everything.

This is an outright lie. Every time someone has asked you anything about the claim situation you've waved it away.

Well, I did that on D1 because 1. It was kinda funny and I wanted to see how people would react and 2. I would've just said 'cuz'. It felt more important to see how people reacted to the claim rather than me responding with what would be a non-answer. This did help influence my read on Hb, as well as my reads on Death and Red. I also think if I did not do that claim, Chris might not go on Red as hard.

Why did you claim vanilla at the start of the game and then vanish without explaining anything?

I disappeared because I went to bed. I am a teacher, so I tend to like to go to bed earlier or else I hate the next day.

As for why I claimed? Spur of the moment. I was feeling randy. I don't really have a reason aside from that. No big plan, not meaning it as a joke, I just did it.

For what it's worth, when I originally saw I was Bodyguard, my thought was "oh, I won't use this ability". I have a big ego and think highly of myself.

Why did you claim your role incorrectly as metal blade before changing it to leaf shield (bodyguard)?

I thought that Leaf Shield would be 'obviously' a protective role, since "shield" is in the name. So I changed it to Metal Blade since I was fake claiming vanilla. I thought that Metal Blade was a lot more vanilla-sounding of a role.

You already given some reasoning for this, but if you have anything else to say about why you didn't use your night action on Chris I'd like to hear it.

I've said so much about this. Ultimately, I didn't want to use my ability. I might have used it on Chris if I realllllllly thought about it, but I didn't consider it at all since I thought he was Scum. And there's no other player in this game I consider to be worth saving on a whim.

It makes no sense to take a mafia bullet just because you can. It's a one-time use success - if I'm going to bodyguard someone, it's going to be for a very good reason.

And, why have you generally been unwilling to give straightforward information about your role claims so far?

I have been quite straightforward this entire day. I already explained why I was mum day 1, which is what I feel you are hung up upon, but I've been pretty clear this entire D2.

I hope this clears things up. If you have any more questions, please ask!
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

hombad46 posted...

WAY too many people are Townclearing him

Mind listing who they are? And also which posts they towncleared him in if its not too inconvenient

Basically everyone. And it is too inconvenient, sorry. I've done too much already, and I didn't take notes of when people said they thought Hb was Town.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

So first of all, for all the players who don't know me. My gut is very very very good. As in, I usually have the entire Scum team in my Scum-???? tiers. Occasionally one slips into the Townish tier or so, but I earned an auto-kill N1 status years ago for always nailing Scum right away. I still do nail Scum for single posts a lot.

Just want to clarify... I would guarantee there are two Scum in the following, with 3 being pretty likely:
Scare
Lolo
Pendragon
Death

Then probably 1 in the following:
Ben(least likely)
Doop
Terra (most likely)

I am also willing to say that, unless Scum is really bad and that's why they're pulling this maneuver on me and they're actually everyone in my Scumpool, that somebody prooooobably got lucky and slipped into my Town pool.

Now, one quick note about Red - he talked a LOT about how I have 'acted different' this game. He flipped Scum. Scare has also mentioned that I have acted different, and Death did as well (though he said it to defend me at first).

List of people who feel like they should not be aligned together
Death/Geno
Death/Corrik
Death/Ben (or is just them setting themselves apart)
Pendragon/Terra
HB/Benscarehan (Hb reacted to the three of us in such a way in a post that... well, I honestly forget what he said but it didn't look at all like something a Scummate would say about his buds)

Alright. Now I want to finish my Lolo case study. But I'll reply to Shonen first.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

That format is a little gross, sorry, let me repost it.

Townish
FD - the way he approached Red earned him a spot on this list. He's playing today bad, and is by no means confirmed Town, but gut says he is so I'm just putting him here and counting on him to listen to my words when I flip.

HB - the way he interacts with people and approaches the game is very Towny. He HAS said one-or-two Scummy things... but they're at odds with his attitude. Also, WAY too many people are Townclearing him... some of those people are surely Scum.

Shad/Pirate - I felt odd about Shad D1, but I grew to like him more on a reread. Not sure why. Feels genuine with him getting mad at Corrik, in a Town way. And Pirate has seemed pretty solid too.

Sultan - Feels too genuine. Sultan is a unique person and I don't have confidence he can fake himself as well as he is being himself, if he is Scum. Too hard to follow the logic at times... it's odd, but odd often means Town.

Geno* - Has a weird claim which gives him an asterisk, but honestly his play has seemed very Town... basically everything he's done.

Corrik/Hombad - More for Hombad's play, but Corrik I think was intentionally trying to start a fight with Shad to get a read. Scum doesn't need to do that.

Doop - Nothing he did on D1 earned him this spot, but he's probably definitely Town UNLESS Scare is Town. If Scare is Town, Doop firmly falls into the ???? leaning Scummish.

????
Ben - Ben is the only person in this tier who is here because he has done things that seem Scummy and things that seem Town. However, more of what he has done has seemed to push him towards the Town side, so despite some of his actions being Scummish, he has earned his spot here. Possibly Scum, but very good play if he is.

Terra - Honestly here because of lack of information.

Shonen - Also here because of lack of information. Leaning Townish for being on Red early on, but it's hard to read someone who has done so little.

Scummish
Pendragon - Only guy who gets to be in this tier. He has done nothing. He has given 0 thoughts. All of his posts, all... 5? of them. Are fluff. Probably Scum, just hasn't condemned himself yet.

Scum
Scare - It's honestly not worth considering him possibly being Town. It's worth it to consider how that might change reads if he pops that way after we're both dead, but at this point, he's acted so Scummy today that he can't not be Scum.

Death - This is the dark horse on this list... I think Scare started with Death as his first fake scan to give Death an opportunity to start claiming, but not full claim. Truth is - Death is fucking SCUMMY. AS. FUCK. He is the ONLY person in the entire game who looked bad in the slightest in the first 500 posts of the game. This is a pure Hangut read here, and when I pop Town, you all OWE it to me to go after this guy.

Lolo - I need to finish my case study, but Lolo has not offered any content. All he does is ask questions. In 57 posts so far, 28 of them are single line questions, and he doesn't respond to basically anything except with fluff.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Ok, done with topic 2. I'm just going to post my thoughts here, then finish my case study on Lolo, then I'll probably be done rereading. My brain is turning to mush.

First, my reads...

Townish
FD - the way he approached Red earned him a spot on this list. He's playing today bad, and is by no means confirmed Town, but gut says he is so I'm just putting him here and counting on him to listen to my words when I flip.
HB - the way he interacts with people and approaches the game is very Towny. He HAS said one-or-two Scummy things... but they're at odds with his attitude. Also, WAY too many people are Townclearing him... some of those people are surely Scum.
Shad/Pirate - I felt odd about Shad D1, but I grew to like him more on a reread. Not sure why. Feels genuine with him getting mad at Corrik, in a Town way. And Pirate has seemed pretty solid too.
Sultan - Feels too genuine. Sultan is a unique person and I don't have confidence he can fake himself as well as he is being himself, if he is Scum. Too hard to follow the logic at times... it's odd, but odd often means Town.
Geno* - Has a weird claim which gives him an asterisk, but honestly his play has seemed very Town... basically everything he's done.
Corrik/Hombad - More for Hombad's play, but Corrik I think was intentionally trying to start a fight with Shad to get a read. Scum doesn't need to do that.
Doop - Nothing he did on D1 earned him this spot, but he's probably definitely Town UNLESS Scare is Town. If Scare is Town, Doop firmly falls into the ???? leaning Scummish.

????
Ben - Ben is the only person in this tier who is here because he has done things that seem Scummy and things that seem Town. However, more of what he has done has seemed to push him towards the Town side, so despite some of his actions being Scummish, he has earned his spot here. Possibly Scum, but very good play if he is.
Terra - Honestly here because of lack of information.
Shonen - Also here because of lack of information. Leaning Townish for being on Red early on, but it's hard to read someone who has done so little.

Scummish
Pendragon - Only guy who gets to be in this tier. He has done nothing. He has given 0 thoughts. All of his posts, all... 5? of them. Are fluff. Probably Scum, just hasn't condemned himself yet.

Scum
Scare - It's honestly not worth considering him possibly being Town. It's worth it to consider how that might change reads if he pops that way after we're both dead, but at this point, he's acted so Scummy today that he can't not be Scum.
Death - This is the dark horse on this list... I think Scare started with Death as his first fake scan to give Death an opportunity to start claiming, but not full claim. Truth is - Death is fucking SCUMMY. AS. FUCK. He is the ONLY person in the entire game who looked bad in the slightest in the first 500 posts of the game. This is a pure Hangut read here, and when I pop Town, you all OWE it to me to go after this guy.
Lolo - I need to finish my case study, but Lolo has not offered any content. All he does is ask questions. In 57 posts so far, 28 of them are single line questions, and he doesn't respond to basically anything except with fluff.

Need a second post for some of my follow-up statements.

Shonen, I'll reply to you in a bit.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Chris DID say Red was Town, but literally only said it to get FD to help him move onto Scare.

It was clearly said in a Chris attempt to push FD.

FD should be able to verify this.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Chris did not Townclear Red. He said that Red has answered well enough to not die "today".

Chris was totally hinting at killing Red that night.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Also, to be clear, 10:42:16 PM EST is when the day should end. that gives us 3 and a half hours.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Shonen_Bat posted...

Okay, then. I want to hear you clear up your side of the claim debate that's taken up most of this day.

no 'why not' or evading with your own questions.

If you explain your mindset on that, from start to finish, I'll drop my vote for you on the spot.

Unvote me please. And then please clarify on what you expect from me? I've posted probably 50% of the posts this day? I know that's a lot, and I was being catty at certain points, but I've been completely upfront with everything.

And just in case some morons hammer me early, Lolo is more likely to be Scum than anyone in the game. Even Scare when I flip Town.

If I get lynched, you ABSOLUTELY kill Lolo. Get Scare first, but get Lolo right after. I'll go into detail about that once I finish my reread.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

@eaedwards6400 you never posted when deadline for the day was.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

For the record, Chris Towncleared me.

So all of you voting me are saying that you are better than Chris.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Just...

@Forceful_Dragon

Please unvote me so that I don't get early lynched by a bunch of newbies. You can vote me again at end of day, idc, just give me enough time to finish my reread and post my thoughts.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Can we PLEASE unvote me?

You can just say you plan to, but please do not put me at -2.

I have not finished giving all the info I'm going to give. If you're going to lynch me, at least make sure you give me time to write up everything.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Pirate_Harris posted...

This is an old read list from pend.. what is it's significance now?

How many actual Scumreads are on it?

There are a few Townreads, but note it's people who everyone else has been saying are Town.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Also throws shade on me in T2, P158, including being mad that I am voting him and he even preliminarily says I'm not good for being on him.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Also, for the record, Red went after me in all the following posts:

T1, P459
T1, P462 (which i called him Scum for)
T1, P475

He then spent the beginning of T2 arguing around his argument.

Chris even clears me for Red going after me in this post:

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Anyway let's do a bit of speculation just because I have been stressed all day, I am really projecting out here but let's just say my snap reads are right.

Scum:

Red
Doop
Jedi

Then let's get a town list going based off of that.

Corrik rule of four + red trying to get flavor for free
Shad rule of four
HB and Geno already on the list
Ben going after red let's toss that in
FD recognizing scum red
Red going after a town Han makes sense, very clumsy

8. htaeD (Death)
10. Lolo_Guru
11. Pendragon71037
13. ScareChan
16. Shonen_Bat
17. Terra-enforcer
18. TheSultanOfSlam

Leaves 2 scum in this batch.

Red talking this way about me is pretty strong evidence that I'm Town.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic