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Hbthebattle posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Also, for Christ's sake, if other people don't agree with me that Pendragon is Scum, I'm gonna freak.

Im not seeing it. Mind explaining why?

Ok, so there are a lot of non-regulars in this game. You, homsar, Pendragon, Terra, Shonen, Geno. Variety of experience between you all, but the way you guys are playing points to some things.

You and homsar especially have been asking questions, and basically speaking from a position of not knowing things. You read as people who don't have more information.

Geno hasn't done much beside claim to not be a veteran out of the gate. Shonen hasn't done a whole lot as well, but was on Red.

Pendragon's posts feel very very deliberately composed. Yes, he made big lists and all, but his thought process reads as having more information than he does. Let me pull out some of his first ones...

Pendragon71037 posted...

Hey all. Apologies, but I'm gonna be gone most of the day- you'll get me back around 5:30 or so, and I'll be there for a long time.

Anyway, thoughts on the game so far.

Scare's questions:
1. I wouldn't exactly say I'm a veteran or anything, but I've played at least a dozen games over the years. Well aware of the common mafia terminology.
2. Running a game. I don't really remember a lot of specific details- the only other memory I have is like my first or second game when I was a scum and, with a big, exciting post where I actually posted Phoenix Wright music for effect, I tried to bluff the town into lynching a third party. It worked too, but it didn't matter because they had like two extra lives for some reason.
3. I'd probably have to say Mason. It's always nice for the town to have confirmation options, and to have someone you know for sure you can trust.
4. I'm a Ganondorf/Ike main (by which I mean I'm a filthy casual who plays those two a lot) but I may pick up Piranha Plant when he comes out.

As for actual happenings, let's go player by player:

Scare:
Incidentally, mild town read on this guy, if only because it's usually Town who posts these sorts of things. I think I've played like two games with him, and I remember him being, if nothing else, competent.

HtBattle or whatever:
While I agree with Ben that this guy is probably Town, it's too early for me to say "confirmed" just yet. Still, might as well roll with the assumption for now.

Forceful:
He seems to have calmed down over time as the game itself has gotten serious and less jokey. Don't think I really have any tells one way or the other on him.

Corrik:
Well, as usual, Corrik is up to shenanigans. I won't ever claim to be able to read him, like, at all, but he does seem to have chosen a weird hill to die on this time around.

Han:
Others have been saying this, and I'm inclined to agree- him posting once and dipping probably means nothing, especially as it was on the first page, where posts are especially prone to meaning nothing.

Sultan:
Null tell on him thus far, maybe like 51/49 in favor of being scum. Something about the "just woke up" excuse doesn't quite sit with me.

Shad:
I'm pretty sure this guy is Town. Town gets annoyed when someone messes with their reaction fishing. Either he's Town, or he and Corrik are scumbuddies trying to look good, and the former seems way more likely.

Reserving judgement on all others pending a re-reading of the topic, which I probably won't be able to get to this morning.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Anyways work is starting. I'll be around on breaks

No.

Admit you're not trying. Or admit you think I'm the shittiest player in the game.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Forceful_Dragon posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Man, if you actually read the game, you would know that I had to be lying about the vanilla claim.

I understand that and I have some specific thoughts about these possibilities.

But you are going to need to give us something.

You need to admit that you are literally saying that I would suicide into a Jack claim who says he has a Doc and Commute left, as Scum.

Until you admit that ridiculous notion, I don't feel that you are playing to win the game and are just being lazy.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Forceful_Dragon posted...

That does not feel like a scum to scum transition.

Scare [4] - (Chris), (Ben), (LoLo), Death, (Han), (FD), Doop, Terra, Han
red13n [1] - (FD), (Chris), (Ben), (Shonen), (Han), (Lolo), (Sultan), (HB), FD, (Pirate)

Bolded are people who were on both lynches. There are 5, including yourself. Don't pretend like you don't know it wasn't Chris leading Town that led to the Scare train, because that's literally what happened.

And then Scare claimed to be power while specifically saying his role does NOT fit the existing template for Power Roles.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Forceful_Dragon posted...

And Han: if you are sticking to your nilla claim I really don't see any reason not to side with scare here.

Man, if you actually read the game, you would know that I had to be lying about the vanilla claim.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Scum to town.

Unless scare is actually lying.

And then suiciding..

To kill...

A claimed nilla?

.

Yeah I'm going to give scare more credit than that.

FD, I was with you on Red. I was with the Scare lynch as well. Are you really going to arbitrarily believe Scare here? If I were Scum and he's telling the truth, why wouldn't I just claim an action to escape the lynch? You are literally saying you give Scare more credit than to go 1-for-1, while saying I'm trying to go 1-for-1. That's nonsensical.

Here's a hint - when I flip Town, he's going to argue that I was lying about not targeting Chris, or that there is some other explanation, like a bus driver.

I am telling you right now, it is impossible for me to have targeted Chris last night.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Hbthebattle posted...

Im just gonna put out there that I havent felt good about Han all game and that last minute train on Chris hasnt helped.

You literally haven't felt good about me because I claimed vanilla, then didnt explain it. Thats not scummy.

Anyway, I'm engaging now, so if you have questions, please ask. At this point, with Red having Shaded me and me not knowing vanillas didn't have attacks in their role names, I'm pretty much towncleared.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Hbthebattle posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Also, for Christ's sake, if other people don't agree with me that Pendragon is Scum, I'm gonna freak.

Im not seeing it. Mind explaining why?

When I get home, I'll put it into words better.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Also, for Christ's sake, if other people don't agree with me that Pendragon is Scum, I'm gonna freak.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

htaeD posted...

Also at this point, scum might as well fake roleblocking scare if he is one of them.
Nobody better to block besides maybe Han.

I mean, I did claim vanilla. Thing is, if Scare is Scum, then especially with red, they probably decide to actually use their roleblock instead of gimping themselves for the sake of claim.

So basically, scare not being roleblocked points to him as Scum more than as Town.

This "scare was Scum kill" line of thought is dumb. No reason to assume a kill when there is no proof of one.

htaeD posted...

Han, Scare is now saying he is not bluffing.

So either he is scum, or you visited Chris

That's what I'm saying. At this point, with him doubling down so much, he is playing too poorly if he is Town. Makes no sense for Scare to stick to a gambit this bad, this long as Town.

hombad46 posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Han still claiming vanilla?

Didn't he claim Mega Man with a Metal Blade power? Still not sure if that was an example of the format or an actual claim

It was both, and I hate this because me saying this means nothing now, but it's also evidence for why I'm not Scum.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

benjamin3740 posted...

htaeD posted...

Ugh
I guess whatever game I was thinking of where Scare did the fakescan thing
is no longer on the logs.

At least Scare admitted to it

Scare, if this second scan is true or not.. You better clear that up sooner than later

Death what info do you actually care about here? I remember what scare did in the last few games, and both of the times he bluffed. So what do you want to know?

So you know he bluffed. Why are you so ready to believe another fake scan?

I would think Ben would be wiser than to so readily believe an obvious lie.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Geno, you said you win with Town. You're going back on that?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

I need to sit down, go through the list, and townclear, gut, and poe some fellas.

Scare is still likely Scum, but I'm going to give him a chance to stage some sort of defense before I end him.

I think Scare realized that he was the prime choice for roleblock, and is throwing a hail Mary because he figures we wont let him live that long because he should have been roleblocked.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

eaedwards6400 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/77251954

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

I won't give any spoilers away, ben.

Anyway, I'm going to wait for Scare to respond, but I'm pretty positive this is a Scumplay where they are making an assumption that is wrong.

geno4smash4 posted...

Han I assume my role is inconsequential so it's not a trouble to balance it around other roles.

Do you promise you're not the version of a drunk who forces players to target a player of their choice?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

That's in response to Doop.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Why would I be able to figure that out on my own?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Doop:

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

Han's claim format doesn't align with Scare's or what we've seen of Chris'.

Why did you not talk about your own format here?

And Scare, are you seriously Scum 1 for 1-ing me here? You know this is a lie, so sticking to it this hard you KNOW ruins your credibility, so there's no reason to double down on this unless you are convinced you are Scum who's gonna die soon.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

And unless there's something profound about it, that doesn't sound like a role that should be included in a game. No action until N3? Why balance around that?

Maybe Ridley is just TOO BIG to fit on a team, so he is on his own team (sk)?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Lolo_Guru posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Scare's been talking to me a lot on the mason board, but that's about it. He agrees with everything I say. Which is basically everything Chris says. So he's in good hands

*Insert laughing dhd gif here*

And yeah, I am seriously going sultan/scum here, but that points far more to red/scum than red/town.

##vote: red

red13n posted...

also lolo you should be happy i'm in a rather good mood because I am trying very hard to be nice to you while being incredibly frustrated with your postings.

chris can verify this assuming he is still here.

Interesting combo of posts here. Does Scum Lolo add pressure to Red, sticking to his thoughts and mixing with Town while Red gets mad at his buddy for bussing?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

HanOfTheNekos

Red sounds very much like he is upset that I am on him, and predicts me to use him flipping Scum as evidence that I'm great at finding Scum d1, when he feels I am just sheeping and don't deserve the credit.

Also Lolo is probably Scum.

I was right about this!
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

No, the raccoons were mail order brides.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

geno4smash4 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Ok, so now you should understand why I am asking for clarification. I thought one of those two was correct, but clearly I am wrong.

Ridley, newcomer veteran drunk.

Thank you Geno. And your role says you will remember what you are at the start of night 2? Or the end?

benjamin3740 posted...

Doopliss_Power posted...

At least we now know Han is Town for sure for sure.

Han, as our first 100% truly certified live Town, what do you think about the state of the game?

We've had a few already. Why Han for you though?

It should be obv at this point. Town Ben would have said so. ;P
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

I think it was Pun.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Ok, so now you should understand why I am asking for clarification. I thought one of those two was correct, but clearly I am wrong.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Doopliss_Power posted...

Han's claim format doesn't align with Scare's or what we've seen of Chris'.

Why did you not talk about your own format here?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

geno4smash4 posted...

What will you gain by me doing that Han? What's your plan here? Trying to bait me to say town or something? Because that's what I think this is.

Dude, your claim was unclear. I'm just trying to get it in the most clear words because you said a lot without being specific enough.

And I have asked you to repeat something that you basically already said. Why are you being so reluctant? You are whining and throwing a fit, and I'm just asking a really simple question.

Here, I'll help you out. Tell me if A or B is correct.

A. You are Ridley, veteran drunk.
B. You are Ridley, veteran _________ (drunk)
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

ScareChan posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

red13n posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

If we are going inactive I say special terra
Terra has been inactive and content that was presented was very weak
##vote:terra

dude are you scum?

he is. I thought hes been obvious for awhile though.

Is this a slight bus on reds part?

Very possibly.

Scare, let us know if you got a track off. And convince me you're not Scum.

Going to bed now. I'll try to find time to reread d1 and give real gutreads.

Like the way he says that is spewing he knew I wasn't blocked

Like, what is the cognitive dissonance here? You just look like an idiot with this post.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

hombad46 posted...

Didn't have time to go over everyone, but here's my current readlist

@HanOfTheNekos can you explain why Lolo joining your Chris wagon made you hop off?

Because I have thought Lolo looks bad, and his hop onto Chris looked really really really Scummy.

With Chris flipping Town, Lolo looks even worse, but I'm saving my thoughts for until I see the manner in which he voted red during D1.

Also, keep in mind Lolo hopped off Scare. That means Lolo has a good chance of being Scumbuddies with Scare if he is to flip Scum.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Sorry Terra, I misremembered last night. Thought you were absent from the end of day.

And yeah, Scare is lying still.

Scare is throwing out fake scans to see if something sticks.

Question is, is he role fishing Scum who is playing ridiculously ballsy, or is he Town with no info who is just making risky plays for the sake of hoping he draws something.

Either way, it's poor play and anti-Town. Bluffs can work great, but when you're trying to bluff a track, you have a very low chance of getting anything out of it.

I'm on lunch, so give me a minute to put out some responses.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

I mean, I did forget to include my role in parenthesis, but the rest lines up with Chris completely
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Doopliss_Power posted...

Han's claim format doesn't align with Scare's or what we've seen of Chris'.

Dude.

##unvote:
##vote: Doop
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Just fucking claim already, jesus
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

I really hate Terra showing up and saying "jedi was a bad lynch".

Scum often claim they wouldn't have been on Town lynches that they werent around for.

Pirate is probably Town for not realizing Red was Scum.

Geno, my role is Mega Man, veteran metal Blade. I am asking you to clarify your claim in that format

htaeD posted...

I am really liking all the arguments Harris is bringing up against Scare btw

Ok, no, any credibility you had is now gone. You have soft claimed information - you're probably not getting out of today without giving that information.

I mean, Scare I guess has one opportunity to confirm he wasn't bluffing.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Lolo is also a good direction, though I need to review his sheeping of chris
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Pirate_Harris posted...

red13n posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

If we are going inactive I say special terra
Terra has been inactive and content that was presented was very weak
##vote:terra

dude are you scum?

he is. I thought hes been obvious for awhile though.

Is this a slight bus on reds part?

Very possibly.

Scare, let us know if you got a track off. And convince me you're not Scum.

Going to bed now. I'll try to find time to reread d1 and give real gutreads.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

hombad46 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Geno, you need to claim immediately.

As I recall, didn't he say he wouldn't remember his true role until the second night?

Oh, it wasn't just after first night?

Man, I do not buy that at all. Unless he's specifically a backup that takes the N1 target's role.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Pirate_Harris posted...

Maybe han and fd is scum... ugh I feel so dejected

Red was Scum.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Oh. Thank God Chris was Town.

Geno, you need to claim immediately.

FD is good people.

Really mad that I didn't switch to Scare in time.

##Vote: Pendragon

Let's start here.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Logience posted...

Aaaand welcome to the ignore list.

Is this really what 2010 was like?

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Im used to doing 6 person benches. This is a lot more fun, I think.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Lust #1 easy
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

I'm in a 12 man league, standard QB/2 RB/2 WR/TE/FLEX/DST/K with only 4 bench spots.

I'm sitting at 3rd place, and only 2 of my starters are people I drafted.

A savvy eye for waivers can make your whole season. I have... 35 acquisitions on that team.

(I'm also making the playoffs due to some good luck in other people making cuts with a small bench - 2nd place team cut Mixon when he was injured, and I stashed him immediately)
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Alucard
Phoenix
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Paratroopa1 posted...

Star Wars and Disney/Pixar would be a completely unstoppable train that could only be slowed down by James Bond and maybe Indiana Jones and that's pretty much it

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Corrik posted...

Kenri posted...

They are breaking a law which is of utmost paramount to our nation's integrity.

You are sitting here defending criminals.

You're sitting here sounding like Judas tryna justify himself to the other apostles

That may be the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Kudos.

That's because you didn't see the post where Ulti tried to insult me by saying I look like a serial killer by posting a picture of Ted Bundy with his hair combed.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

##Unvote:
##Vote: Scare

Not enough time.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

hombad46 posted...

I decide to look in here for the end of the day since Im between games and what the hell is happening?

Chris welched off of Scare, who claimed to be Link Hero of Time which makes no sense, I came up with an argument for Chris, Lolo ruined it for me, then Chris agreed about Lolo.

And we don't have enough time.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic