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I remember being interested in it, but never actually taking the plunge to purchase it because there was always soemthing else that I prioritized my Wii Points for. I'd completely forgotten about it until this topic, which has rekindled my interest and made me resent the fact that the Wii Shop has shut down and rendered it inaccessible.

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Subclass get, now I get a whole 10 skill points in Hunter to help out, which is enough to get like a 2% damage buff out of Fury Stance. Nifty. Now I just need to stop hitting B to dodge because this isn't Dark Souls >.>

agesboy posted...

This probably isn't as true as you'd think. They're clunkier, but every class in pso2 is capable of outputting high damage because everyone is a different flavor of DPS class. Techer's mobbing abilities become absurd as soon as you get access to zondeel and wand explosion, which shouldn't take very long. Whenever simple compounds get added, Re Zandia will amplify this with basically ranged persistent zondeel that does damage.

They're slightly weaker than forces at boss killing via techs solo and with standard builds they don't have access to the full elemental spectrum, but they're far tankier and imo having access to melee dash over the standard float dodge is a gigantic benefit. They're the most suited for zanverse duty, too, cuz longer range.

The issue is that in the current state of the game, all techs are weak because we don't have tech customization available yet. It's nice to customize PAs, but it's downright vital to customize techs. Some techs simply aren't viable without customization (because the type-0 customization will change their properties entirely sometimes). Also, as a short term newb problem, techs also suck when they are very low level as they are now for everyone.

This is coming from someone who's been maining techer for about two years now and plans to main force in NA >_>

I did get the impression in the practice mission that Techters are rather good at mobbing. Even my clumsy attempts to follow the directions seemed to do a very, very nice job of killing everything in sight, even by practice mission standards. And the customization issue makes sense.

wolfy42 posted...

One thing I don't understand is the ranger vs hunter mechanic. The ranger seems to do more damage (from what I saw) AND can do it at range (so you don't need to get to the enemy), while also being able to dodge enemy attacks WAY easier.

I certainly ddidn't see anything that made the hunter able to take way more damage or dish it out that made being in melee make sense so far.

The Hunter's ability to guard and counterattack does give it a greater ability to hug the enemy and generally play more aggressively. Dunno how that plays out in the long run, but my impression so far is that that will help with damage output.

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Got my first rare. Unfortunately, it's a sword (Zax), so not exactly in line with my present interests, but that's fun nonetheless.

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RedPixel posted...

Why is this not a stretch?

I'm not defending Trump. I just see him get attacked for some ridiculously sounding s*** everywhere I look.

Because this isn't about censorship. This is about Twitter publicly fact checking him when he tried to lie to the country and him being a butthurt little baby about it. He was not censored in any way.

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I'm kind of blown away by how many levels and how much money I'm getting just from doing tutorial-type missions. I got Hunter up past level 10 before I had enough money to buy a set of TMG's (I realized after this that there are tutorial missions for each weapon type that give you a free starting one) to start working on Gunner. I'm level 18 Gunner now, almost 19, and things seem to be going pretty smoothly so far.

wolfy42 posted...

so kinda wish I had gone with the beast race for my ranger since it says it's more offensive.

Apparently the racial/sexual stat differences are pretty minimal, working out to less than a 5% difference at endgame stats. That's worth pursuing for min/maxing purposes, but it's not likely to be affecting your early game experience too much, nor is it overly meaningful for more casual play. Also, Dewmans get a bonus to melee attack, not range. It is actually Casts that get an R-ATK bonus, so you've have actually min/maxed that already.

wolfy42 posted...

But man the tech starts of WEEEEEEEEEAK lol.

I made a newman tech to try out da spells (since my ranger is a cast), and it takes like 8 fireballs to kill 1 monkey, or I can run up and hit it with my very weak cane.

Techters are meant to be more support-oriented, so they are going to be a bit on the weaker side. Forces are the offensive casters. Were you charging your spells? That seemed to make a big difference in the tutorial mission, though admittedly that's the extent of my experience with casters so far.

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As much as DS2 gets a lot of hate, it's really not a bad game at all. It's not necessarily as good as the other two, and the disjointedness of the areas is disappointing for people that really valued DS1's interconnectedness, but it delivers the same excellent combat and build variety that the series is known for and is still a thoroughly enjoyable game. Just make sure you understand the Adaptability stat before going in (broadly, it increases the number of iframes on your rolls, and you will need some investment to bring those up to DS1 levels, so playing without ADP investment takes a lot of getting used to), and you should still have a good time.

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I feel very lucky that my installation went off without a hitch.

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I ended up starting a character on Ship 3, since that's the one it randomly gave me. Completed the intro mission as a hunter, did a couple of the general practice ones, and now I'm going to work my way through the class training quests to settle on a class (I'm thinking Gunner, but that may change). If other people want a different ship, I'm not invested enough in this character to object to starting over.

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Interesting. Not altogether surprising, but definitely at odds with the usual approach people take to frugality (that is, cheap out on food/housing once you hit a minimum standard, then spend disposable income on hobbies). Holiday spending surprises me, since I would have thought that was too short-term a benefit to change all that much, but I guess the ability to look forward to a holiday as being a nice, fun time helps make it more satisfying once that time finally arrives.

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TL;DR - Having more money doesn't make you happier, but spending more money does?

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zebatov posted...

And what did Twitter do to make him say they stifled his free speech...?

They've got a new algorithm aimed to combat misinformation that flags potentially misleading tweets and adds a link to some relevant fact-checking resources. The primary intent behind it was to combat how much misinformation is flying around about COVID, but Trump's tweet about mail-in ballots being inevitably fraudulent got hit by it as well, and he's not happy. Never mind that "hey buddy that's not true" does not stifle free speech in any way even if we ignore that Twitter's a non-government entity and therefore is not beholden to the First Amendment, the good ol' Cheeto in Chief is tres angery.

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My download completed successfully overnight and the game seems to be able to start, though it does that annoying thing that a lot of Japanese games do where you have to set your video options before opening the game and I started in a smaller window, but that's easily solved by restarting the game. What ship are we aiming for?

ClarkDuke posted...

this keeps getting better, what's changed in the character mechanics?

Far as I'm able to tell, the combat system is vastly more varied and engaged, with every class having a variety of attacks to string together in fast-paced combos, active dodging/blocking, and multiple resources to manage. Classes are no longer a fixed trait of your character choice, and are instead leveled up and have their skill trees (there are skill trees now) completed individually. You can change your class at any time on a given character (though you only get one Mag and can't readily reset your skill trees, so it's recommended to make a new character if you want to focus on significantly different classes) and can have one subclass.

The overarching structure of the game is still the same (run quests, get loot, use loot to run quests better), but it seems like the combat and character development systems have been improved dramatically, which I'm really excited about because those were hands down the weakest parts of the original PSO.

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

It's because most of them are coming from countries where they don't speak English, so you're either seeing someone's halting attempt to try and translate based on what little they know, or the end result of just running it through Google Translate.

It still kind of baffles me that these things are so rarely proofread. I can't imagine it costs that much to have somebody that does speak English edit a <200 word email, and I would think the scam's success rate would be notably higher if the email looked more legitimate, such that it'd easily pay for the difference. Granted, I suppose whoever's running the scam probably wouldn't be able to verify the quality of the translation and could therefore end up spending the money for nothing, and these operations usually benefit from involving as few people as possible, but it still seems weird to me.

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Cloth one. I only actually use it for grocery shopping, since that's the only time I'm around strangers in an environment where distancing is difficult (mostly because people are impatient knobs who can't wait five seconds and also have no understanding of what the one-way arrows on the floor of aisles mean).

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Launcher's downloaded, and ~20% of the way through installation if the bar is anything to go by. This launcher looks more like it belongs in Windows 98 than Windows 10, but I guess that's beside the point.

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Zeus posted...

At any rate, apparently the face faces up to 10 years for the murder.

At least it's something, though obviously not enough for a straightforward case of first-degree murder.

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Backup's done, I've installed the extra hard drive I was meaning to do before upgrading, now time to do the upgrade. The next time I post here, I will no longer own any Windows 7 devices. Then I get to join you guys in what seems to be a delightful time trying to install this game.

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By literally any objective measure, that's a terrorist threat.

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I wouldn't advise refreezing, but you could probably refrigerate it and safely use it within the next day or two. Refreezing for smoothie purposes will work, particularly where you're using it immediately, but it'll become a solid mass and it won't keep well.

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InfestedAdam posted...

Curious. Why are there people who seems to throw around the concept of freedom of speech with non-government entities? Are they simply misunderstanding when freedom of speech actually applies? Do they feel the "spirit" of freedom of speech should apply to non-government entities? Is it simply ignorance or people interpreting the Bill differently?

For that matter, in this case, Trump is saying that it's an attack on his free speech to point out that what he's said is false. That's not even misinterpreting the government aspect of it, that's misinterpreting the fundamental concept itself.

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Guess I'm not missing much by not being able to download it yet. I started a backup before I left for work (five hours ago) that seems to only be 40% done now, which is slower progress than I was hoping for. At this rate I might not even get Windows 10 installed tonight, let alone PSO. How bothersome.

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Even if we are just looking at death and not at other long-term health consequences, it's not a high death rate that makes COVID concerning, it's how easily and rapidly it spreads. A million cases of something with a 0.1% mortality rate will kill the same number of people as a thousand cases of something with a 100% mortality rate, and COVID's communicability means it's very capable of racking up a huge body count with the former strategy.

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Jen0125 posted...

There's no way they can impeach him. GOP will never deviate from their singular plan of growing their wallets. Impeaching a R-labeled president would make their entire, uneducated fan base turn against them.

They could easily have organized enough Republicans pulling a Romney to sway the impeachment vote without compromising their overall strategy. All they need is for their voter base to still believe in the Republican party. Martyring a couple of "traitors" isn't necessarily going to interfere with that.

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Zeus posted...

If you're paying $35/month, it's not free. It might be greatly subsidized, but it's not free.

It's not truly free, but in terms of personal budgeting, it might as well be. "Free" in this case doesn't necessarily mean "you pay nothing for it" so much as "you never have to worry about paying for health care costs because you've already budgeted your $35/month." I'm not sure why people like you fixate so much on the "it's not technically free!" angle when it does so little to discredit the key point of the matter, which is that health care is infinitely more accessible than many other health care systems (namely the US').

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Alternative facts indeed.

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I literally got the palm tree lamp DIY yesterday. I think it was on the beach, though, so I wouldn't have been able to share it anyway (and I didn't have it yet).

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Is it only in the Windows 10 store? I should probably have figured this out before today, but I'm realizing the microsoft store website only has the Xbone download available and I maybe need to stop putting off the upgrade to 10 on my desktop. Looking at system requirements for the game, it looks like Windows 7 is the minimum, but presumably that's based on the Japanese version and doesn't take current NA distribution into account.

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Mead posted...

normally because they committed crimes

I sexually identify as a serial murderer and the government discriminates against me for it!

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Joker_X_II posted...

A true "incel" would never ask for that. What they want is "equal opportunity" to court a girl based on the traditional (often romanticized) methods for meeting a girl and starting a relationship. Ugly people just want to be loved too.

So... to effect broad social change that better aligns the world around them with their views. Sounds pretty political to me, albeit informally so.

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InfestedAdam posted...

I do feel very few games ever truly accommodate a "good" and "evil" route properly.

More often than not, trying to accommodate an "evil" route consists of offering the player a choice between "pet puppy" and "kick puppy," with the "neutral" route being unlocked by alternating between petting and kicking the puppy. It's not exactly the most organic approach.

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Neutral Good is basically "I'm a decent person but I recognize that following a strict moral code isn't always the best way to act on that," which is pretty much "Morality: Common Sense Edition."

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SilentSeph posted...

Never played Yo Butt, though.

You're about the only person that can truthfully say that to your mom.

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Eeyup. NoA had basically no work to do, but they still resisted bringing it over, possibly because they didn't want to be seen as going back on their earlier refusal.

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streamofthesky posted...

Heck....I remember w/ XCX the NoA youtube had almost nothing while as the UK channel was the one putting out tons of trailers and previews.

Eh, I feel like there was enough promotional material for X. The UK channel may have done more, but there were trailers and whatnot in Directs that I felt were adequate to hype me up for it (enough hype to be the only game I've preordered since Wind Waker).

streamofthesky posted...

It was definitely worse back when XC1 first came out though, which makes me suspect it's due to people who worked there back then and have since left...

Not necessarily. I think a lot of that was the general attitude of not wanting to localize big JRPG's due to them not being the most popular games anymore and the large amount of work involved in translating dialogue-heavy games (Xenoblade has over 10 hours of voice acted cutscenes, to say nothing of the written dialogue). The game did very well, though, so it's understandable that now they're more willing to support it because there's less risk involved in doing so.

There's probably also more than a little lingering opposition to Operation Rainfall, and an inclination to reject the game for no other reason than that that was their position for so long. After spending so much time saying "no" to Rainfall, it's going to be difficult to change to promoting and supporting the game, particularly where it wasn't actually Rainfall that ultimately convinced them to bring it over (Rainfall was rejected, then Gamestop picked it up a while later).

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Almost certainly. Most polls seem to be thinly-veiled market research. It's probably not the most valuable data, particularly where this site is very much not representative of general market trends due to how old most of its user base is, but I'd be surprised if it isn't worth at least a little bit of money.

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streamofthesky posted...

It's amazing that it took 10 years for XC1 to get a widely available release in North America.
First, people literally had to twist Nintendo of America's arm and make them release it here, only for it to be Gamestop-only and quickly run into the "mysterious problems" you mentioned.
Then it's on the 3DS. Great! Tons of people have that! ....New 3DS only, one of the only games to EVER require that? Well, crap....
Oh hey, it's on the Wii U eshop! ....Aaaaaand Wii U's dead. Eeek.

Better late than never, I guess.

10 years and Shulk being in two Smash games, no less, so it's not like they've been pretending the game doesn't exist. I'm still baffled that it took Gamestop funding the NA release (which is why it was exclusive) to have it brought over here, though. The EU release had already done all of the necessary localization, so it's not like NoA had much to lose, but we still never would have seen it had Gamestop not stepped in to pay for it.

streamofthesky posted...

The gameplay was probably the one thing that tied it together w/ XC1, though? The combat is far more similar between XC1 and XCX than XC1 and XC2. It's got the exact same arts structure and mechanics, but tweaked from there.
I agree that overall XC1 and 2 are closer together, but not for gameplay....

That is true. Combat-wise, 1 and X were more similar (though Overdrive was quite different from Chain Attacks, and Overdrive really defined X's combat). X was more of a mission-based open world game, though, while both 1 and 2 were more linearly structured (albeit in a large enough world with enough side quests to feel somewhat open world-ish). That's what I was referring to with "gameplay structure," though you are correct that 2 changed up the combat a lot more.

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Smiffwilm posted...

Using her own logic, that means she was faking it the whole time lol.

More likely that she just believed that her illness must have been something else and that's what the doctor was actually treating while telling her it was COVID because reasons.


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LinkPizza posted...

I dont think it was on the Wii U.

It had a very quiet Wii VC release on the WiiU, presumably because of how much trouble a lot of people had finding a Wii copy (at least until Gamestop mysteriously found a whole bunch of "used" copies that they then started selling for $90 after watching the game go for $120+ online for six months >.>). The 3DS and Switch releases have gotten a lot more promotion than that did.

LinkPizza posted...

Xenoblade Chronicles X was on the Wii U, though. But that was a different game (from the same series)...

I'm not even sure I'd say that X was from the same series. It's similar enough to qualify as a spinoff, but the fundamental gameplay structure, art style, and stories are very different, particularly where the way its story ended very much set up further sequels to that story in particular. By contrast, Xenoblade 2 was much more similar to the first game, making it much easier to say that it's in the same series.

I_Abibde posted...

I might be getting it this Friday if I can ever get into my Game Stop.

This is also a factor in delaying my purchase. This is one I'll buy a physical copy of, but I'm not even sure any local EBGames are open yet, and I don't really feel like having it shipped. I probably won't get it until I can walk into a store and buy it, especially where I've got no shortage of stuff to play now (particularly with PSO2 coming out tomorrow).

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Black_Crusher posted...

Ah yes can't wait to see everything we've all done for the past few months go to total waste.

Imagine being a doctor or nurse right about now, they must be going insane seeing this beach shit.

I saw a post on facebook from an ER doctor talking about a lady who accused him of falsifying her COVID test results because the disease wasn't real, while he was frantically trying to prevent her from dying of multiple organ failure as a result of her rampant COVID infection. It's kind of surreal and thoroughly terrible.

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ChaosAzeroth posted...

Tbf I think beekeeping has basically saved bees. And they get to live their little bee lives with little annoyance don't they?

Even in the less ethical cases, that argument can be made. If nothing else, unlike raising livestock, beekeeping is unambiguously beneficial from an ecological standpoint, which is a significant motivator for many vegetarians/vegans. Even if the world stopped eating honey tomorrow, there would still likely be a need to raise bees to avoid catastrophic agricultural collapse (as distinct from dairy/egg farming, where the disappearance of those industries would actually benefit the environment).

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Unfortunately, a second lockdown probably won't work, given that objection to that will be even stronger than the first time around. Needing it is likely to be inevitable, but I doubt compliance rates will be high enough to actually help with the rise in cases. It's going to be a mess.

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ReggieTheReckless posted...

Never played the first one. Is it le fun? What makes this the "definitive" edition

Graphical improvements (which isn't hard because the original makes many PS2 titles look high-res), some remastered tracks (in one of the best soundtracks in gaming history, full stop), and a new epilogue sidequest sort of deal. By the sounds of things, if you're interested in playing the game, this'll be the version to play.

As for whether or not it's fun, I personally love it. Combat vaguely resembles a single-player MMO, juggling ability cooldowns while autoattacking and managing aggro levels to keep the enemy focused on a tankier party member (who will likely need some healing). The world is huge and gorgeous (even in the terrible graphics of the original version, thanks to good art design), making it a genuine pleasure to explore. Sidequests are largely your typical MMO-style fetch/kill quests, which are pretty forgettable, but I find they make for a nice excuse to do some exploring. Story's solid, characters are great, music is utterly phenomenal... I'd recommend it. It is a slow start, though, thanks to the sheer scale of the game (expect ~100-120 hours for a first playthrough if you take your time and do some sidequests/exploring), so don't be surprised if it takes a few hours to engage you.

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Judgmenl posted...

There was a time in my life where I actually trusted the gaming opinions of people on here and on other forums.

Trusting "this game is good" doesn't mean you should interpret that statement as "this game belongs to a genre nobody has told me it belongs to." You should still be doing your own research as to what kind of game you're actually buying before you buy it.

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Judgmenl posted...

I literally played the first battle.

So you didn't finish the opening cinematics.

Judgmenl posted...

Went in expecting Xenosaga, and never played any more.

That sounds like you should research your game purchases better.

Judgmenl posted...

I absolutely loathe "Action JRPGs".

I tend to reserve sentiments like "absolutely loathe" for things like genocide, slavery, and hanging toilet paper under the roll. Perhaps you should lighten up a bit.

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Not day 1, but I'll probably pick it up at some point. It's one of my favourite games ever, and while I could just replay the Wii version instead, I'm quite happy to throw more money at the franchise.

Judgmenl posted...

No because I played 5 minutes of Xenoblade on the Wii 10 years ago and absolutely hated it

5 minutes isn't even enough to get through the opening cinematics and it wasn't available outside of Japan until 9 years ago.

Judgmenl posted...

Monolith killed Xenosaga for that fantasy action combat trash.

Not really. Xenosaga just never did all that well. It basically killed itself.

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how do you even respond to that?

"So you aren't even as good a person as Hitler was? I'm not sure if that's sad or impressive."

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Revelation34 posted...

I'd rather just skip the effort and eat any honey.

That's what most people do that aren't overly concerned about animal welfare.

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rexcrk posted...

Id try to find the happy medium.

Like, I deserve money for it.

But I wouldnt make it accessible to only the super-rich.

Pretty much. Maybe like $5 in royalties per dose or something (on top of the regular costs like manufacturing). That's plenty of money, but won't make it inaccessible to the people that need it.

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Yellow posted...

Just don't get mad when monopolies break up because it's inconvenient for you

If there's no benefit to me in those monopolies being broken up? I certainly will get mad over that. If I have to do extra work for no benefit, that's always going to be a problem. If Epic wants my business, they're going to have to start competing properly and actually offering a better service. Until then, I'm just going to keep mooching off of the free games for as long as they can continue pretending "throw money at it until everyone else gives up" is a viable competitive strategy.

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