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you should care about why he was murdered, though. it proves that the elite follow their own sets of rules and dont face consequences like us normies do

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I refuse to call you "daddy" so i cannot vote in this poll.

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but the dog accepted nourishment, which is necessary to survive. imo the cat is dumb for turning down free food

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EffectAndCause posted...

Which brings us back to Why in the fuck would anyone want to run a utility company if theyre not making any money by doing it?

exactly. it should be like the post office -- managed by the state with no profit margins

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what are you most looking forward to eating?

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EffectAndCause posted...

Yeah man every utility worker should just work for free out of the kindness of their heart.

he's not saying those things should be free, just not profitable (ie they should be sold at or as close to cost as possible) since they are essentials. basically essential utilities that we "need" to function in society, like water, electricity and internet, should be offered at-cost or very close to it.

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play stupid games etc

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for the most part this was an informative discussion. thank you to those who contributed non-troll replies.

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Jabodie posted...

But with your new knowledge, maybe when that guy you met from another country shows up later than you'd like, know that he may have made a cultural faux pas he wasn't aware of, and give him a break that first time. Then explain it's rude in our culture to be that late

that sounds absolutely appropriate.

im sure i've made countless faux pas when i travel to other countries. i do my research but theres no way i read or remember all of it. but if i did make a mistake and was corrected for it i would not scream racism.

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Balrog0 posted...

Maybe not learning English limited some of their options, just as one example of a thing people say is necessary, but they got along fine without it so what's the problem?

if they can get along without leaning English, more power to them. they aren't expecting the culture they moved into to shift based on their expectations.

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legendary_zell posted...

But you see, that's what the article in your original post was talking about. People don't even realize it's a cultural thing, and get super bent out of shape and make moral judgments when they interact with someone that holds the same assumptions. It's important to recognize that there are cultural differences and that it's not a matter of laziness or disrespect. Then we can actually have a conversation where people are actually conscious of the fact that they're enforcing cultural norms and can decide whether they actually want to do that or not, vs thinking they're enforcing morality and other people are just incompetent.

People are saying it's racist and infantalizing to talk about the cultural norms of different groups and how they conflict with existing norms. But it's much more dangerous to not talk about it because as you see in this topic, talking about it leads to discussion of cultural practices while not talking about it leads to unchallenged conclusions that certain groups are just lazy, and rude, and want to lose you money.

It is very very very dangerous when people aren't even aware of how their assumptions about how other people should act and why they do what they do came to be and when they assume those beliefs are objective or common sense.

so i can sort of buy into this if we're talking about a person from another part of the world having trouble with the fact that westerners value being on time. fair enough.

but what about in this case where everyone involved is from the same country? that article i linked in the OP asserts that being on time is somehow a "white" thing and that "black" students (born and raised in the US to parents born and raised in the US, mind you) are unfairly held to the same standard.

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Balrog0 posted...

I don't see why assimilation is a blanket requirement

total assimilation isn't a requirement, but basic understanding of cultural norms is a good idea. nobody is saying you have to be punctual all of the time, just recognize that is an expectation in many situtations. in fact, i'd argue against assimilating completely because then the original culture is lost and that's a shame. after all, the "melting pot" is part of why America kicks ass.

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Jabodie posted...

Sure. The point is that people that don't have they culture already internalized are at a disadvantage, while people like you and me don't even have to think about cross cultural perception to fulfill society's expectations. Meaning they are more likely to fuck up an important opportunity by showing up 7 minutes late because of cultural biases, rather than a lack of intelligence or work ethic (and of course how those are evaluated are also a construct).

How much does this really matter? Idk because I never had to operate in a cultural with different time/punctuality expectations lol.

A good science fiction book about navigating conflicting cultural expectations is The Left Hand of Darkness. It's a dry read, but worth a shot imo.

part of traveling to or intereacting with another culture is making an effort to understand it first. whoever fucked up an opportunity by being 7 minutes late should have done their homework and researched the expectations of that culture beforehand. it's like how doing business in Japan has slightly different cultural norms than here in the US, but Americans who do business in Japan are still expected to be respectful of Japanese culture when in Japan.

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FortuneCookie posted...

White people are not the new oppressed class because some dipshit on the internet said that asking people to be on time was an act of white supremacy.

for the record, i never even came close to suggesting this.

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uwa ej posted...

This. This is why I question that this topic was made in good faith. Alt rights love to twist words in topics like these

.... did you just call me "alt right"?

well that's a new one

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legendary_zell posted...

Basically, if you're discussing punctuality and rationality in moral terms that's because you're really really American. And a specific type of American. If you came from somewhere else, or were part of a subculture due to immigration or societal discrimination, you might not believe the same things and might not assume they're universal and have moral dimensions.

well that's cool and i can respect that, but part of moving somewhere is assimilating into that culture. you don't expect that culture to bend itself to conform to your expectations. just like its unreasonable for a westerner to move to a culture that doesnt value punctuality and expect them to all be on time, it's unreasonable for someone from another culture to move to the west and expect everyone to be alright with him showing up 49 minutes late to things.

yes, cultures shift and evolve as people immigrate, but those transitions are slow processes.

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MFBKBass5 posted...

He really does think that little of his supporters, doesnt he? His low IQ supporters that are alll MURICA, U S A!!! will suddenly believe Trump because he claims its now patriotic to wear one? Lmao

but he's not wrong

buddhamonster posted...

Trump is completely incapable of just simply saying a thing.

Its always gotta be about how bigly important he is. Thats just how Trump thinks.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662

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Herodopus posted...

literally just start the meeting

when i call people into a meeting i only do so if i actually need their input, or i need them to hear what's being discussed so they can speak up if something's wrong or needs added.

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Herodopus posted...

honestly it's p self-centered to take my showing up 5 minutes late as disrespect. aside from like, urgent matters idk why punctuality is such a huge thing for schools/workplaces

imagine there is a meeting with 10 people and you are one of them. you are making those nine other people wait and do nothing while you show up on your own schedule. it's rude to keep people waiting.

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uwa ej posted...

This topic is a perfect example of white privilege and fragility.

can you explain why? i legit do not understand this so i ask, and instead of explaining it you yell at me. please stop.

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averagejoel posted...

that's more a function of capitalism demanding productivity at the expense of everything else and ingraining that mindset on (or at least attempting to pass it on) to everyone who lives within the system

its not even about "demanding productivity". imagine if you just said "sometime today we all need to talk about this thing for 30 minutes. hopefully we can all be available at the same time, we will randomly try until it works out". anything you do that involves the participation of others benefits from punctuality.

and capitalism is not exclusive to race either.

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legendary_zell posted...

Everything you said is a cultural thing. That's the meaning you've been taught to place behind punctuality. In other cultures, it doesn't have that meaning. It's more of a loose flowing thing. A meeting that starts at 9 will have people show up at 9:30, and that's just fine. No one feels disrespected, it's a built in assumption when the meeting is made. Life moves at a different pace. Relationships are more important than punctuality.

so it's cultural and not racial? thats exactly my point. in western culture punctuality is valued. that is not specific to being white, or any race.

can you imagine trying to work in an environment where you schedule meetings and people show up whenever they felt like it? i could not handle that

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"China Virus"

its like he takes one step forward and two steps back smh

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i'm white. i admit i have a white bias and my views on racial issues are skewed based on my privilege. but im really struggling to understand how expectations on punctuality is a race thing.

punctuality is a matter of respect for others. when you are expected to be somewhere at a certain time and you are late, you make everyone else wait for you. it's rude.

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In Hartford, Moore directed us to a page in our training booklets: a list of white values. Along with The Kings English rules, objective, rational, linear thinking and quantitative emphasis, there was work before play, plan for future and adherence to rigid time schedules. Moore expounded that white culture is obsessed with mechanical time clock time and punishes students for lateness. This, he said, is but one example of how whiteness undercuts Black kids. The problems come when we say this way of being is the way to be. In school and on into the working world, he lectured, tremendous harm is done by the pervasive rule that Black children and adults must bend to whiteness, in substance, style and format.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/15/magazine/white-fragility-robin-diangelo.html?action=click&module=Editors%20Picks&pgtype=Homepage

is this trying to argue that punctuality is a "white" thing? if so, why is that specific to one race? is this person asserting that other, non-white cultures do not value punctuality and by placing value on being punctual white people are not respecting other cultures?

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Herodopus posted...

I was able to pay for my room each night and somehow never died. Failed a lot of rolls too

for some stupid reason i asked Joyce for money and then turned her down. i paid my debt by selling the rims my partner gave me, but then the second night i spent all of my money buying a boombox to play a tape. i then wasted a lot of time on day 2 advancing the clock so i could talk to the smoker on the balcony, and by the time i did that, everything was closed. i then burned so much time i got to 02:00 the next morning and couldn't advance time anymore by talking or reading, so i was literally stuck AFAICT.

I restarted and took the money from Joyce right away. but i was dumb and did so before paying my debt, so all 140 real i got went to that, now i have nothing to pay for night 2's room.

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it sounds like a few people violated the spirit of the rules to get around the mask requirement by just carrying around a beverage in their hands while walking.

so once again a few shitheads ruin it for the rest of us. like this entire situation in America. people are so fucking insufferable sometimes

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escorts

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i hope it doesn't. cruise ships are fucking terrible for the environment

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why not shawarma with a thai iced coffee?

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even if a vaccine comes out in 2021? whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

oh well, at least some bands i follow have started doing shows in empty venues and livestreaming it.

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CommonJoe posted...

Ew wendys

their grilled chicken sandwiches are solid

then do BK's 2/$6 chicken deal

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*hugs PC*

free online play AND Game Pass for $5/month

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Wendy's 2/$5 chicken sandwiches

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@mooglemaster17

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I Like Toast posted...

It's almost like there is a reason why the comparison is stupid huh

yeah both were p bad

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Paragon21XX posted...

That's rich coming from an industry that invented an accounting practice that ensures a film will always be in the red so that they can avoid paying taxes on profits.

and bonuses to employees / actors

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i will never understand this country's facsination with that family

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SevenTenths posted...

let me know what album cost 150 mil to make.

let me know what album generates over a billion in revenue

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seriously though, why is "Joe" okay to describe a generic white person but "Jose" is not okay to describe a generic Hispanic person? would these same people get angry about "Trader Hans" to describe a generic German person? what about "Trader Jean" for a French person? i suspect not.

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DesertPenguin09 posted...

Are they not concerned with the Asian dishes saying Trader Ming or whatever it is they say?

try reading the article. that is talked about in the first sentence.

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..... so the store, which is called Trader Joe's, where "Joe" is a common, everydayman's name in the US, uses the name "Jose", which is a common, everydayman's name in Spanish speaking areas, and that's .... racist?

i just dont know what to think anymore. why aren't these people furiously protesting the original name as stereotyping white people. *thinking emoji*

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justaguy3492 posted...

Even if it comes out in October, you then have to convince people to go get it. They won't even put on a mask, you think they're gonna line up to have something injected into them?

it'll be interesting to see how Trumpy handles those anti-vaxxers since, you know, they tend to vote GOP and anyone who votes for him is a friend of his.

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and if one's not available it's not his fault at all, but OBAMA's

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while i agree that housing should be accessible and available to all, this idea that nobody should be allowed to profit off of things they own is just asinine.

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resolution, then steady 60 fps, then fidelity

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