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PoundGarden posted...

Fair. Thats because BT's are not cheap, at all. So people that own them do their research, have the means to care for and spoil them, and don't, yknow, use them to tear other dogs apart. They are selectively bred and virtually all BT owners have paperwork and know the dogs lineage. You're comparing a Lamborghini to a beat up pickup truck with a salvaged title LMFAO

Any brokeboi can go to the pound and get a pit for $50 and roll the dice.

If it doesn't have papers then it isn't a Pit Bull. I don't care what the pound says, what the owners say, no papers then it's a bull breed mutt.


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PoundGarden posted...

Ah, yes, look at aaaallllll these people dead and maimed by BT's since Hinks' efforts!

*gestures to an empty field of crickets*

Bull terriers typically do fine with other dogs, the only real caveat being 2 males can be a problem. Other than that, you've really got nothing lol.

And how many Bull Terriers are around, compared to the literal millions of Pit Bulls and bull breed mixes running around? In 35 years I've only met 2 EBTs, they are pretty rare and aren't the targets of unscrupulous breeders.

The breed is typically dog aggressive and has a strong prey drive, and requires training and socialization just like every other dog.


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PoundGarden posted...

Since so many struggle with reading, I'll help.

While BT's were used for bull and bear baiting, James Hinks found it disgusting and repurposed the breed in the 1860's by painstakingly breeding all aggression out of them. His intent was to create the perfect "gentleman's companion".
Bullys are loyal, intelligent, and adore humans. The only real "danger" they pose is knocking people over playing. They are amazing with children. Modern bull terriers have very, very little in common with the breed before Hinks' efforts. In fact, the white collie used to create them is now extinct.

It's still a Bull and Terrier, Bulldogs and terriers will likely be animal aggressive and/or dog aggressive, that's almost a given considering what they were bred for. The degree to how "hot" a dog is though varies with each individual dog.


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GranolaPanic posted...

*Looks at PoundGardens dog*

Are you f****** kidding me? Do you even know what you own?

I'm thinking this dude has a Pug or something, he has a Bull Terrier.

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PoundGarden posted...

Of course. I did my homework before getting him.

Do you know who James Hinks was? May want to do some reading to learn why they are not comparable to pits.

But as a freebie, EBT's are consistently rated among the BEST dogs for families. You literally damn near have to train a BT to be people aggressive.

The Bull Terrier was bred for vermin control and blood sports (i.e dog fighting)

Also btw, APBTs were literally bred for non human aggression, due to safety reasons in the fighting pit.


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PoundGarden posted...

White Cavalier English Bull Terrier, to be exact. And don't even try to compare them to pits, you'll get schooled hard.

You DO know what Bull Terriers were bred for right?

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PoundGarden posted...

LMAO, read better. My dog is treated like royalty. In fact he's snuggled up on me rn with a belly full of treats

Wait, you have a Bull Terrier?


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PoundGarden posted...

Waaah waaaah. I've already apologized. Cry a river, build a bridge and get the fuck over it lol

And here's another delusional shitbull apologist that wants to compare legitimate fear of the most dangerous and unpredictable dog breed on the planet to racism.
Disgusting.

Oh Lordy...


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35 and no

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I haven't played the trilogy since the games were originally released, forgot how much I loved the Mass Effect universe. You could see the care that was taken with the lore and world building. The visual upgrades are a nice touch, on to the 3rd game now. I forgot awesome and hopeless it felt when the reapers invaded Earth in the intro to the 3rd game.

I wouldn't mind an animated series of The First Contact War, hello Netflix.

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archedsoul posted...

That was like 8 months ago. Unless you're talking about another. Probably happens daily.

Nah this was a while back, three years ago.

It's on YouTube but it'll get modded if I post it.

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I remember watching a video of K9 cops sicced a dog on a handcuffed black man a few years ago. That dog almost ripped that man's arm off

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Paragon21XX posted...

So how many times did someone attacked by a lab require amputation or a funeral? That's what I thought.

Q.E.D.

The first face transplant was the result of a Lab attack.

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PoundGarden posted...

One side wants something, anything, done to help prevent pit attacks from happening literally every single day.

The other completely denies there even is a problem and wants no action taken because "muh rahts to own a dangerous animal".

Think about that for just a second.

Ranting by laypersons is not a start off point for actual policies and procedures that would ensure safe and responsible dog ownership. Emotional arguments are not beneficial in this kind of discussion.

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pogo_rabid posted...

I see the pitbull defense cult is out in full force today

Better than the constant rants and amateur canine behaviorists tbh

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GranolaPanic posted...

Im convinced that half this board never had any interaction with a Pitbull in their lives. Theyre very sweet dogs if raised properly.

If I put up a lineup of various purebred dogs most users wouldn't be able to identify the actual American Pit Bull Terrier.

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DeadlyNinjaBees posted...

Okay, let's try something else.

STATS!

You seem to be a man of science (I actually kidna think you're alright, despite our differences tbh).

Now, do keep in mind that I live in Australia, so there may be differences between breed behaviours on either side of the world (even growing up in Tasmania, i was surprised to see how different German Shepards behaved on mainland Australia compared to where I grew up).

* There are approximately 4.5 million pit bulls in the United States, making approximately 5.8% of the country's canine population.
* From February 2013 to present, animal control agencies and health departments in 19 U.S. states report that pit bulls are leading all breeds in biting incidents. The studies are summarized and linked at Dogsbite.org, Pit Bulls Lead "Bite" Counts Across U.S. Cities and Counties.

Okay, so we can confirm that, yes, pitbulls bite more than other dogs (apparently labradors do that more in Australia).

* In the 13-year period from 2005 to 2017, pit bulls killed 283 Americans.

Okay. At this point I am going "Wow... Holy shit...".

* Nearly all of the cases in which I have been consulted, where a pit bull killed a person the pit bull owners had no insurance and therefore the victim's family received no justice in the form of compensation.

Okay, Pittbull owners in the US are statistically more irresponsible. That is comorbid with the viciousness of their pets.

* Common sense leads to the conclusion that when they attack, pit bulls bite (without necessarily killing) their owners and their owners' family members and visiting babies in the same relative numbers, namely more than half the time.

This site seems rater biased against the breed.
Imma keep on studying.

Dogsbite.org is a joke of a site, basically a blog not run by any canine expert or veterinarian. To them, everything with short fur and a muscular build is a Pit Bull.

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These topics should be banned, it's just a troll party.

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Flauros posted...

American Staffordshire Terriers have much in common with American Pit Bull Terriers, even though they have been bred separately for more than 50 years. They are considered a "Pit Bull" breed and are targeted by Breed Specific Legislation.

To a lot of purists, they've been separated long enough to be considered different breeds. The American Pit Bull Terrier is the progenitor to the American Staffordshire Terrier, due to kennel club politics for AKC recognition (back in 1936, so much longer than 50 years) some APBTs were registered as AmStaffs. Only American Pit Bull Terriers are ones that are backed up with a pedigree that explicitly states American Pit Bull Terrier, no AmStaff, no American Bully, etc in there. There are dogs that are dual registered AKC and UKC APBT/AmStaffs, those are Pit Bulls. There is a lot of paper hanging, multiple generations of a pedigree has to be considered if there's a possibility of paper hanging or dual registration. I don't care what those papers say if the dog looks like an American Bully for example. Instead of calling every bull breed a Pit Bull, I call them by their registered breed name (AmStaff, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, APBT, AmBully) or bull breed mix if there are no papers. To say that they are all under the same umbrella would be like calling all shepards a German Shepard, even though you have the Dutch Shepard, Belgian Malinois, etc.

Although they started out the same, the purebred examples have been separated long enough to be considered different. The pure APBT is more drivey and not as bulky as the more show oriented AmStaff, I can typically pick out the difference between the two physically. It's like a working line Husky vs. the show line Husky, the former would run circles around the latter and the drive is much higher, on the other hand a working line Husky would never place in the show ring. There is not much overlap by breeders and generations of separation keeps that distinction between the two.

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American Staffordshire Terrier =/= Pit Bull


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White supremacists have been in every level of government, law enforcement and the military since the beginning. This is a surprise to no one.

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These people are literally indoctrinated. Everybody that stormed the Capitol, and the Republican lawmakers that handwaive what they did are a threat to this nation.

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Null_Gain posted...

Def a lot of those types here in Texas

They know to keep that shit in East Texas or West Texas though. They wouldn't try that shit in the big cities.

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Overt white supremacists walking around in white sheets and pointy hoods is pass, nowadays they walk around in Sperrys, khaki pants, polo shirts and carry tiki torches. They get busted in a plot to kidnap a governor and storm the Capitol and shit with the intent to overthrow the government.

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KingRomance posted...

enjoy worshipping black criminals.

Well, at least you admit to being a white supremacist

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The OG cartoon set the tone for the popularity of the franchise.

I liked the 90s live action trilogy but the first TMNT movie was the beat one. It was darker than the light hearted sequels.

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Cowboy Bebop is in my top 5. I like Monster and The 12 Kingdoms more though.

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Native Texan here, the things that I was taught in school about the Alamo was pretty much mythology. A lot of our bigger problems boil down to the fact that we (as a nation) never had to confront the a lot of stuff that we have done and we never moved past such events and never had to self-reflect upon them, which allowed us (or rather the politicians, writers, and journalists) to give certain folks and events an almost mythological status and people recoil in horror when there is a narrative from a different perspective.


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brestugo posted...

From his Facebook:

Yeah, you just know he stormed the Capitol on January 6th.

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She found out her mother died during an interview with a reporter a week before her qualifying run. I'm an only child and very close to my mother, I couldn't imagine losing her at the age of 21 and finding out in that way, I would have been beside myself. She took marijuana to cope with that. This girl has been criticized for her appearance, her hair, her nails, found out that her mother died in an interview, I'm not here for the "rules are rules" folks. The word of the day is "compassion".

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PoundGarden posted...

Thank you. And ffs, its not like I said they should be beaten and headshot one by one, I proposed a literal fucking Looney Tunes solution and got a warning over it.

Meanwhile, the PDF is allowed to mock victims and vehemently care more about having their murder pups then keeping this from happening again. Let's be real, people aren't going to magically stop being shitty dog owners, it'll never happen, therefore pitbulls will always be a danger to the public.
And its not like there's anything unique or special about them beyond they're viciousness. Nobodys saying ban dogs. Just this fucking dog. There are literally hundreds of other breeds to choose from that don't have a proclivity towards gulping down infants and shredding everyone else's normal fucking dogs.

Sick of this shit

There are millions of bull breeds and bull breed mixes in our society that will live and die without harming anyone.

This level of obsession is unhealthy.

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This song still slaps
https://youtu.be/nFALDr7DSpc


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That's a throwback to the old slave master's fear, "they're gonna grab the whip and beat us!"

The perpetual fear of another Nat Turner laid bare, the boogeyman in their minds.

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There are black and brown folks in prison serving longer time than that for non-violent offenses. Chauvin tortured a man to death. It wasn't a split second decision in the middle of a struggle and he used his gun, he was calm and collected as he snuffed the life out of a man.

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You're goddamn right I did!

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pogo_rabid posted...

This is 15 years vs 1

EDIT: Additionally, if you go to my links and look at the breakdown of the deaths, one particular breed stands above the others

Dog bite related fatalities have always been proportionate to the number of dogs and humans. It is an exceedingly rare event given the sheer number of dogs that are out there in households and in general.

Also, dog attack related incidents related to "Pit Bulls" encompasses multiple breeds and bull breed mixes lumped together under the umbrella term Pit Bull. Everybody knows what a Rottweiler looks like, but if anything sorta resembles what people think a Pit Bull looks like then that's what they label it as. It's like saying that the German Shepard, Dutch Shepard and Belgian Malinois are all the same thing because they are all shepards, when they all look different from each other and have different level of drive. There is only one real Pit Bull, that's the American Pit Bull Terrrier.

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pogo_rabid posted...

And yet, the number of fatal dog attacks that occur each year in the US (around 50), equal to the total number of fatal dog attacks in the UK (which bans pitbulls) between the years 19952016 (56).

So they're doing something right, and i'd point to the policy difference, just like how gun deaths in the UK are far lower per capita becausethey ban those for your averge person. Shocking, I know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States_(2010s)

There are also a lot less dogs and people in the UK compared to the US as well. We're talking about a country with 66 million people and an estimated dog population of 12 million, and one with nearly 330 million and an estimated dog population of over 80 million

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pure_temper posted...

just because it went viral in some social media circles doesn't mean it wasn't taught to people 20 years ago

i suspect it's part of the degradation of our school systems that is leading stuff to this too

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/holocaust-lack-of-awareness-millennials-gen-z/

a general decay in study of history.

are you going to shitpost only?

I doubt that the Tulsa massacre was widely taught in schools. I knew about it years ago back in middle school from reading on my own time. The history curriculum doesn't cover events like that, or Red Summer.

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PikachuMaxwell posted...

I'm not a dog or pet person, but this topic seems pretty interesting when it is posted. And it is horrible for the woman to have died like that.

I used to think the breed of dog didn't matter, but it seems the people who are "anti-pitbull" seem to have better arguments and data for their position this time around. So surely maybe there should be regulation regarding pitbull ownership. At the same time, killing them all shouldn't be an option either. I guess owners should be better informed about the breeds they adopt and the proper ways to handle dogs?

Breed specific legislation is a waste of time, money and resources. It does nothing to address human and dog safety. The American Veterinary Association, ASPCA and CDC say the same thing.

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Republicans are fixating on it because 1) They want to rile their base up for 2022 and 2) Things like gay marriage doesn't move the needle for them as much as it did in the past, a new boogeyman is needed.

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matchboxsantana posted...

nothing personal vs pitties, but they're an ugly breed.... look at those faces!

Those look like Staffordshire Bull Terriers, not Pit Bulls.

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Xethuminra posted...

You mean like.....

play dead?

Yes. Yes, they can.

You mean like...

Trained to play dead?



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The_Korey posted...

Jokes aside, I'm gonna kall bullshit on this one. I'm sure most of us have seen videos of guilty dogs ashamed of their actions. I've seen some where the dog is on video wrecking shit, "oh fuck"ing when the master shows up, and placing the damaged object in front of either another dog or even a baby. Kute family kontent, but if that kinda thing ain't evidence of dogs being on a high enough kognitive level deceptive dishonesty, I don't know what to tell ya.

I'm always careful to not anthropomorphize most animals and attribute feelings of guilt or shame. I mean yeah most dogs are going to avoid punishment or try to do something that will get them a reward, but tricking a person to invite them closer so they can try and bite them?

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PoundGarden posted...

I like the part where you completely ignore valid points. Almost as much as I like the part where you say the "reason" my dog was attacked was that the pitbull was aggressive. Case closed, mystery solved

You make emotional arguments, it's a waste of time to even get into the weeds with you on this because you're not interested in an actual dialogue.

Awesome. Now which breed has higher stats for attacking humans, shitbulls or corsos? Hell, feel free to lump Rotties, Malinois and Germans in there too.

There are also far more bull breeds and bull breed mixes in the US than Corsos, Rottweilers, Malinois (most people don't know what a Malinois is), and GSDs.


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pojr posted...

bigger does not mean stronger

that video only tests bite force. pitbulls are more agile

More agile absolutely. Stronger? Absolutely not, there are dozens of breeds that are larger, bite harder and far stronger. I've handled everything from bull breeds to Mastiffs. My old dog was a Cane Corso, at 125 lbs she was far stronger than any Pit Bull that I had or handled. Her bite work was one that could easily crush a person's arm if she wanted to, could feel it through the bite sleeve.

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PoundGarden posted...

"Eat this baby! Eat that dog! Gud boi!"
I'll give you that

Working away from other people, animals, and external stimuli you say? Wonder why that is

That's literally the definition of "no reason". Thanks for proving my point?

Think hard. Why would I have "jumped in"? What would have caused that? Give up?

Because it broke its chain, tore through my fence, ran straight for him and immediately seized my dog for absolutely no reason.

I know why it attacked me: kicked its ribs in and put my thumbs as far in its eyes as I could with work gloves on. He kinda hated that.

Yeah, this convo is not going anywhere and is a waste of time.


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