Lurker > Corrik7

BTW that's /s. For those at home.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Even if he flips town, we get info number one, and number two it would start the rule 1 timer on our mutual friend over there. I dont think he flips town tho.

There is recent precedent here for Corrik as vanilla getting mislynched and this isnt it.

You could just town confirm me tonight. Wouldn't the info be there regardless?

Leafeon13N posted...

The desth flip flop os literally completely made up by peaf. It is not something that actually happened.

What actually happened

PeaceFrog posted...

T6p2 - Corrik/ Blade standoff starts, red "can't tell who is joking or being serious". Pretty neutral way to respond to it. Elaborates by saying "idk what to think".

The death flip flop you pointed out is weird. But again, if me and Blade are both town. Scum would know we are both town here and think it's likely.

htaeD posted...

See I feel like you consistently talk around my posts. In the past that is. Yet you focus a lot on Ctes', despite already calling him town.
Part of me does think this is just you trying to teach players a lesson for after your lynch, but its still odd.

I'm concerned that Ctes if town is being manipulated. If ulti or you are scum, he won't even consider you because ulti says he is town without even a real claim. Is he gonna continue to be paralyzed tomorrow if ulti says tomorrow red or peaf or whoever is town if ulti simply says so and continues saying he confirms it.

It's bad play to just buy everything someone says just because you agree with the assessment. Can't wait for 4 mislynches to be like ohhh maybe he isn't town and all the stuff he fed me is bs. Or maybe he assumed his role was golden and he hit something that circumvent his role.

htaeD posted...

Corrik I may have lost track of your supposed train of thought, but what do you even think of me and Ctes?

Ctes town.

You I don't know.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I said he probably is. If Ulti has a scan on him in some way, then it's probably right yes.

So then yes. You think death is simply town because ulti simply has said you are town. You have no analysis of the player slot nor intend to do any, including on Ulti, simply because Ulti has proclaimed you town.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Not really odd. I think Ulti is town, I know for a fact he would scan me night 1 based on last game so I assumed he probably scanned me in some way. Ulti may or may not pull some mind games to some degree idk, but my best guess is some truth in there and I haven't felt any reason to question it so far.

So you think death is town then simply because ulti said you are?

ctesjbuvf posted...

I really do wish I was mason recruited.

Do you find it odd ulti has claimed you are town confirmed?

ctesjbuvf posted...

Well he also said that I was town unless perfect scum game, which I didn't know if I should be happy or not about lol

I forgot about that but yeah your comments come from a town mindset.

UltimaterializerX posted...

MZero are you willing to share what you do?

Just imagine this dude actually claimed already, but I'm glad he is keeping ulti in the dark purposely to annoy you!

Like town reads it and is like Blade or corrik could be scum so maybe distrust me or distrust blade. Scum knows both are town in the scenario.

Gotta remember tho. If Blade is town with me. Scum didn't know that wasn't real at first.

They actually probably have a 6th in that lopen theory. Damn. One escapes me.

Like my Lopen theory is

Lopen is scum. Scum kidnapped their own member who returns if the scum who kidnapped him is killed. Thus looking like town kidnapped. Scum wasn't roleblocked night 1 but used their kidnap instead of the nightkill. Blade is scum. Kirby is scum. Blade told Kirby to claim the jailkeeper to get me off of him and to say he targeted wallz. Try to lynch me first or wallz to confirm Kirby as town. Then kill me. Blade look confirmed anyways with Kirby. With Lopen still in the back pocket to come back if Blade got caught.

Scum team Wallz, Knightz, Blade, Kirby, Lopen.

That's my Lopen theory. Just unlike Lopen, I know it's kinda... dumb.

Meow1000 posted...

So many lunatics seem to have this theory that this is the greatest performance of scum theater ever recorded in Mafia though

We always put those theories characterized under the Lopen label so people know those theories are unlikely and are just wildest possibilities.

Meow1000 posted...

How does Corrik's flip have any bearing on me at all when Corrik openly admitted he's been lying about everything regarding me

If I would flip scum, you are obviously town.

However, it's nulltell once I flip town. So gained nothing.

Meow1000 posted...

Yep. To quote myself, you felt like "No nonsense town with a hint of genuine annoyance".

Only role that would make sense is one in which he could recruit masons but he dies if he chooses scum. But, it wouldn't be beyond reproach to a godfather.

But, obviously he isn't actually that so we know what he really is if town.

Needless to say, Death and ctes are not confirmed anything.

Corrik7 posted...

I'll have to look for it.

Blade says death "probably just town" tier below the basically locked town tier.

Also ulti says this day 3 opening.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Him and ctes are my two biggest town reads.

Him is death. So these are just simply reads.

htaeD posted...

Blade said the same.
But in the interest of fairness I will say I was only slightly surprised and concerned that people were calling me confirmed town as soon as day3 started.

I'll have to look for it.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

The implication seems to be that ulti has a scan that is above reproach and somehow immune to godfather fear. And I was fine to let him play his mind games before he started insisting even more aggressively that we should be considering ctes and death confirmed base only on his non elaborate say-so.

If it's not legit then he's giving two people a pass for no reason and just generally putting unnecessary chaos into the day. If it is legit then we feel far enough ahead that I don't see much downside to having our with it.

Agreed but Ulti has a weird idea of what town confirmed is. For all we know, he realized they had the letter e in their name each night and that's confirmed town if he don't say so himself.

Obellisk posted...

Kirby, what's your current best running theory? How many in the scum team?

I'd like to use your thoughts as I go skim back through to see if I get the same vibes.

Has to be 5. Unless Lopen is scum and returns a later day after the scum that took him returns or if town made the shot. Then it could be 6. Scum having an extra kill with 6 is impossible.

htaeD posted...

Ulti was not the only one to call me town either, Corrik.

Go on

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Tbh I still have no confidence in reading you in either direction. I lynched you last game as scum but that was entirely based on a meticulously narrowed poe and not because I'd caught you for any specific reason.

With that in mind a proper confirmation of your alignment would honestly be welcome, but Ulti's word can't exactly be trusted.

There isn't even any line of reasoning for why the people supposedly "confirmed" are the ones "confirmed" either. No reason to think either of them is by any stretch. Nor that Ulti is anything he says he is.

That's why Ulti and Death being up there with Peaf and Sbell on likeliest scum based on purely day 1 votals isn't incorrect. There is no well if ulti is town death has to be also. Nothing suggests that besides the word of someone who claims themselves town confirmed day 1 every game no matter their alignment. Ulti could be town and death scum easily.

htaeD posted...

Ulti has been boasting about having power since day1.

He's lying as town to bait a shot, or truthful to make scum think the other way around.

Or he is just scum acting like a town Ulti does sometimes.

It makes no sense to not claim and clear up the game at the point he has gone unless he is lying and is afraid of being countered as either scum or lying town not trying to out something real by town itself.

Thus, I hold no weight on the clears.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I would berate him privately and tell him to stop fucking posting in hopes he could go afk and live. I know how B8 works.

People can sus me all they want. All I care about is protection keeping me alive and letting me move at night. Town literally cannot lose if I keep going.

Let me ask you this. The roleblocker is dead. So you can't be blocked by scum. You have already claimed to confirm people and targets and that you move and that you need protected beyond reproach. Why exactly are you not just claiming at this point? There is zero reason not to because it doesn't change how much protection protects you or not.

MZero posted...

definitely wasn't me lol

You assume your predecessors stuff.

Obellisk posted...

what keeps him from being confirmed?
the fact he could have just buried his scummate by claiming to have rolevlocked him?

I'm a little weary lopen was that role, he claimed lopens role. Figured I was lying based off that role. Claimed it against wallz. To look confirmed and try and lynch me later on.

Not likely but why I don't have Kirby completely locked as town. Realistically he pretty much is but the janitor leaves the door ajar.

PeaceFrog posted...

It did occur to me that scum Ulti could use this as an incredible gambit.

But Ulti is really the one who started pushing Knightz and i don't think scum Ulti would give up that op ability so easily.

Looked like mzeros tunnel not ulti. Ulti just chimed in with better luck next time then sauntered off for most of the day from the lynch.

PeaceFrog posted...

Mi never gave that as a reason, iirc it was sbell who said that.

Ulti claims that death is confirmed town, and cannot be gf. So if you believe Ulti, you have to believe death.

It wasn't that early, it was still in the final quarter of the day i think. And red's vote for you is what started the traction.

Why would I have any reason to believe Ulti on that?

Nobody is confirmed town besides Chang. Kirby is super close to confirmed town as well.

Obellisk posted...

why me Corrik? I was going after who I thought was scum

It's splintered

Based on votals alone day 1.

Sbell, peaf, ulti, and death are the ones who should be looked at.

Final Day One Votals
[8] Knightz - (Taco/Mzero), (Taco/Mzero), (Ulti), (Ulti), Taco/Mzero, Wallz, (Ulti), Isquen, FD, (IGCD), Kirby, (IGCD), MI, (IGCD), Ulti, Death, (IGCD)
[3] MI - (IGCD), (Knightz), Red, (Ulti), Peaf, Chang
[2] Wallz - Ben, (Ulti), Corrik, (Ctes), (Chang), Blade, (Kirby)
[1] Chang - (Peaf), (Ulti), (MI), Knightz
[1] Blade - (Sbell), (Lopen), (Ulti), Sbell
[0] Red - (FD), (Peaf), (Kirby)
[0] Kirby - (Peaf), (Ulti), (Sbell), (Red)
[0] FD - (Ulti), (Red), (Chang), (Taco/Mzero),(Lopen), (Ulti), (Ulti)
[0] Taco/Mzero - (Knightz), (Ulti), (Fd), (Lopen), (Death)
[0] Sbell - (Lopen), (Taco/Mzero), (Blade), (Taco/Mzero), (Red), (Kirby)
[0] Ben - (Lopen)
[0] Ctes- (Ulti), (Wallz), (MI)
[0] Ulti- (Lopen)
[0] Isquen - (Kirby)
[0] Lopen - (Kirby)
[0] Death - (Taco/Mzero), (Ulti)
[0] Corrik - Ulti)
[0] IGCD - (Ulti)
[0] Peaf - (Ulti)
[0] No Lynch - (Ulti)

You have 15 minutes to PM me any errors.

Death or Ulti is scum. MIs vote switch is purely self preserving.

What does everyone have on Death and ulti?

Votals
[6] Knightz - (Taco/Mzero), (Taco/Mzero), (Ulti), (Ulti), Taco/Mzero, Wallz, (Ulti), Isquen, FD, (IGCD), Kirby, IGCD
[4] MI - (IGCD), (Knightz), Red, Ulti, Peaf, Chang
[2] Wallz - Ben, (Ulti), Corrik, (Ctes), (Chang), Blade, (Kirby)
[2] Chang - (Peaf), (Ulti), MI, Knightz
[1] Blade - (Sbell), (Lopen), (Ulti), Sbell
[0] Red - (FD), (Peaf), (Kirby)
[0] Kirby - (Peaf), (Ulti), (Sbell), (Red)
[0] FD - (Ulti), (Red), (Chang), (Taco/Mzero),(Lopen), (Ulti), (Ulti)
[0] Taco/Mzero - (Knightz), (Ulti), (Fd), (Lopen), (Death)
[0] Sbell - (Lopen), (Taco/Mzero), (Blade), (Taco/Mzero), (Red), (Kirby)
[0] Ben - (Lopen)
[0] Ctes- (Ulti), (Wallz), (MI)
[0] Ulti- (Lopen)
[0] Isquen - (Kirby)
[0] Lopen - (Kirby)
[0] Death - (Taco/Mzero), (Ulti)
[0] Corrik - Ulti)
[0] IGCD (Ulti)
[0] Peaf

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Day ends at 6 PM EST, less than one hour from now.

scum could have put MI in the lead here with just wallz and itz voting. Itz probably was checked out at this point.

alot of questionable people on MI here with ulti Red and peaf.

If this loses luster I'd expect scum to switch to the scum lynch

Kirby then changes from wallz to itz.

Votals
[5] Knightz - (Taco/Mzero), (Taco/Mzero), (Ulti), (Ulti), Taco/Mzero, Wallz, (Ulti), Isquen, FD, IGCD
[5] Wallz - Ben, (Ulti), Corrik, (Ctes), Chang, Blade, Kirby
[2] Chang - (Peaf), (Ulti), MI, Knightz
[2] MI - (IGCD), (Knightz), Red, Ulti
[1] Blade - (Sbell), (Lopen), (Ulti), Sbell
[0] Red - (FD), (Peaf), (Kirby)
[0] Kirby - (Peaf), (Ulti), (Sbell), (Red)
[0] FD - (Ulti), (Red), (Chang), (Taco/Mzero),(Lopen), (Ulti), (Ulti)
[0] Taco/Mzero - (Knightz), (Ulti), (Fd), (Lopen), (Death)
[0] Sbell - (Lopen), (Taco/Mzero), (Blade), (Taco/Mzero), (Red), (Kirby)
[0] Ben - (Lopen)
[0] Ctes- (Ulti), (Wallz), (MI)
[0] Ulti- (Lopen)
[0] Isquen - (Kirby)
[0] Lopen - (Kirby)
[0] Death - (Taco/Mzero), (Ulti)
[0] Corrik - Ulti)
[0] IGCD (Ulti)
[0] Peaf
With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Day ends at 6 PM EST, a little over one hour from now.

Votals as of Topic 4, post 424
[4] Knightz - (Taco/Mzero), (Taco/Mzero), (Ulti), (Ulti), Taco/Mzero, Wallz, (Ulti), Isquen, FD
[4] Wallz - Ben, (Ulti), Corrik, (Ctes), Chang, Blade
[2] Chang - (Peaf), (Ulti), MI, Knightz
[2] Red - (FD), Peaf, Kirby
[1] Blade - (Sbell), (Lopen), (Ulti), Sbell
[1] Kirby - (Peaf), (Ulti), (Sbell), Red
[0] FD - (Ulti), (Red), (Chang), (Taco/Mzero),(Lopen), (Ulti)
[0] Taco - (Knightz), (Ulti), (Fd), (Lopen)
[0] Sbell - (Lopen), (Taco/Mzero), (Blade), (Taco/Mzero), (Red), (Kirby)
[0] Ben - (Lopen)
[0] Ctes- (Ulti), (Wallz), (MI)
[0] Ulti- (Lopen)
[0] Isquen - (Kirby)
[0] Lopen - (Kirby)
[0] Death - (Taco/Mzero), (Ulti)
[0] MI - (IGCD), (Knightz)

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Day ends May 1st at 6 PM EST

What's the chances that scum mercilessly bussed early this game and just on two specific scum players wallz and knightz.

Just looking quickly.

Ulti
Mzero
Chang
Mercilessly all over knightz. (Mzero leading the charge in what looks like a tunnel)

FD
Ben
Blade
Mercilessly all over Wallz

That's a lot of people still alive all over 2 specific scum.

htaeD posted...

Whats the point of that post, Corrik?

My point is scum talks that way on mislynches. Then afterwards can go well we all thought that after.

Kirby321 posted...

I do like that we're discussing alternative lynches.

However, I don't think it's a good idea to let Corrik go free today. His actions don't make sense as any alignment, and the "town Corrik does this all the time" logic might just be something a scum Corrik would bank on in order to skate by.

I don't think it's wise to lynch anyone but Corrik today. I just want to make sure we're all on the same page there. We need to resolve whether his tomfoolery was genuine or faked to appear towny.

If I didn't know you are town, I'd think you are scum.

"Need to make sure we are all on the same page"

No one says this. You vote for who you think is scum and so does everyone else and whoever has the most votes is removed.

It looks like you want to be among the crowd regarding things.

Meow1000 posted...

If Ulti is claiming what I think he's claiming good god

I have no idea what he is claiming

UltimaterializerX posted...

Look at this role fishing lmao

Sorry I annihilated your team day 1 man. Nothing you could do given how the RNG decided things.

What

UltimaterializerX posted...

Night 1 I confirmed ctes, night 2 I confirmed Death.

If town keeps me alive, we win. Simple as.

Confirmed... how?

ctesjbuvf posted...

I feel like I've seen Corrik drag lies out like this as town before, it's definitely possible he is town.

Why would scum Corrik not explain himself earlier?

I guess just when I said town agreed too much Peaf got thrown in.

I wasn't gonna come out ever. Was planning to take it further actually. Decided there was no angle I could benefit town with it at that point though. So I decided to just say fuck it. I couldn't wait out Blade admitting I was right about him lying and it was nulltell so didn't matter in the end. Just had to wait until it didn't look like I became someone's little girl doggie and gave in to them. = /

ctesjbuvf posted...

That's what makes most sense to me too.

Better end the day real quick then.

PunishedBen posted...

Scum probably thinks Blade is the roleblocker who targets Wallz on night 1. Maybe that's why corrik got ahead of it, to try and prevent blade from confirming himself and damning Wallz. That's why he sold it as "I role block but you're not informed that you're blocked" ..... after Blade is lynched though, yeah that would be pretty bad. But they were in a bad place already

If you lynch Blade, it kills me and wallz then in that scenario.

Bad logic there.

Meow1000 posted...

The problem is Corrik is hardcore Corrking.

Though Peaf really isn't a "bad" vote there kind of wasn't any argument really given with it.

It's simply based upon the scum-scum day 1 mostly. I haven't read a large swath around it, but I don't believe all 3 lynches were scum and scum wasn't trying to stop something somewhere.

Lots of set lynch, end today, yadda yadda comments.