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Uh huh.

TC is a right-wing knob, so of course he thinks people can't act in altruistic ways.

TC should do some self reflection to figure out if he thinks that simply because he doesn't do things for other people without selfish motives.

I refused to believe this is a real journalist and not just some youtuber because of that thumbnail.

thronedfire2 posted...

so first you said they made it work, now you're agreeing they didn't?

This is a strangely immature line of argument. Nothing works perfectly, nothing. I obviously meant it worked reasonably well, which it did until their multidecade spanning massive success of a game scaled up too ridiculously.

thronedfire2 posted...

they actually didn't make it work at all, which is why they've had to do multiple stat squeezes and level cap resets.

Because they have an open ended game. If you have exactly 3 games, it is trivial.

thronedfire2 posted...

WoW has a level cap that gets raised every expansion. it makes all the gear you earned at the previous level cap completely useless

Exactly, in other words, they scale story progress with level progress. No matter how many expansions they make, your character continues to progress in an ordinal manner with the story. Shocking how they can make that work.

Zonbei posted...

What an insane false equivalence.

All of your equiptment and skills get outclassed within the first hour of each expansion, so it materially changes nothing, just like this, right?

Imagine if every WoW expansion deleted your characters for "balance".

I think some people have a hard time believing that people actually like rpg mechanics.

I think you've put almost no thought into why this is a big deal for some people. I get you liked the new games. That's great for you. People can still complain about a very reasonable expectation, which is when a single RPG gets remade, being able to play it like an RPG, rather than a series of action games with a cohesive story.

Zonbei posted...

This implies its just three games with the exact same gameplay and systems, and thats not the case, and Rebirth is better for it.

Yes, it implies they would set out to make a cohesive remake. Exactly what this thread is complaining they chose not to do.

I think any pithy statement about human nature is very likely to be absurdly wrong.

Punished_Blinx posted...

I'm not really sure what's confusing about it.

Final Fantasy games tend to have a similar kind of progression. Fire then Fira then Firaga for example.

Final Fantasy VII Remake is no different. By the end of that game the weapons, spells and abilities are all endgame like any other Final Fantasy game. So in order to carry over progression they'd either need to cap out the limit very early in Remake or make Rebirth into a New Game+ type experience where you barely progress anything at all.

That doesn't go into how any game that is a sequel also has a goal to onboard new players. Games like this purposefully get more complex as the game progresses.

...just scale progress as if it were one game. That's all. Just think "i'm making multiple games that follow a single progression, let's scale things such that by the end of the last game you are roughly where we expect players to max out".

Could a player spend a shit ton of time at the end of one part and overlevel such that the beginning of the next part is too easy? Sure. But that possibility exists, always, at any point in all RPGs.

Nobody has been able to explain why it being 3 separately released parts affects this at all. Despite this, the overwhelming sentiment is that this changes things. I think this is just people reasoning backwards from what was done.

Pow_Pow_Punishment posted...

Biden forgetting some things isn't a big deal, but it's very weird that he couldn't remember if he was Vice President in 2009 or not. That's basic U.S. history.

This topic is telling you that that isn't real.

Jupiter posted...

This is really disingenuous. The original was just a single game. The trilogy is 3 different games.

What's the difference? See my graph earlier.

It's really a mystery how the original solved this issue.

FunWithAFryPan posted...

A JRPG where you start out at max level with all the gear and progress from another full game sounds boring as fuck and Im glad they didnt make Rebirth that way.

Why do you think this is how it would be?

I had forgotten about this episode until I put it on tonight. In The Masseuse, in S5, Elaine is dating somebody with the same name as Joel Rifkin the serial killer, and she tries to convince him to change his name because of it. Referencing names from Sports Illustrated, she eventually starts to beg him to change his name to OJ.

PowerOats posted...

Progress carryover is overrated. If people came into Rebirth with decked out materia and Limit Accessories, people would complain the game is too easy, and currently they are complaining it's too hard, so yeah.

You are really exaggerating how hard it is to just powerscale throughout the 3 games.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Am I dumb or does he just look like a totally random ordinary guy?

He's not a model or anything but he just looks like a regular guy at the office and people are acting like he is as butt ugly as his views O_o

He looks like a dweeb.

thronedfire2 posted...

yeah but it's a lot different than starting a new game at level 50 with level 1 enemies

I don't understand how these two conditions are materially any different.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5602f3d0.png

Just make the second game start from the expected progress given completing first game. i.e., scale enemies like it were all one game, just broken up into pieces. I just don't understand why people think this is extremely complicated.

When companies know something comes out of a budget and not directly from somebodies pocket, they massively price gouge. Same is true for science equipment and consumables.

creativerealms posted...

Yes and he's a horrible piece of shit. Just my stance on doxxing covers everyone. Even sentient pieces of shit.

If you do enough damage via anonymity, that anonymity should probably be removed.

If this is really him, I expect we'll see far fewer of these shitty comics popping up.

Decrease defense, increase science funding. Could double the funding for science and have almost no impact on the defense funding.

But all US science agencies are looking at massive cuts in the upcoming budget.

thronedfire2 posted...

its probably a balance thing too. People could finish remake at all different levels, so unless they made everything scale(which people would just complain about) theyd have to reset everyones levels to some base they chose.

That's an issue that exists across all RPGs. You could overlevel and make the rest of the game a cakewalk, or underlevel /underprepare and find yourself stuck at a particularly hard boss.

Jupiter posted...

From what I heard, the entire game is literally on all 3 discs which is why you can swap to any disc mid game. It'll just play the wrong FMV with the wrong disc. But yea, sounds FMV is the ONLY reason the game is multiple discs.

I think, though, my OG save file was over 100 hours long. So, the point that's trying to be made here, the game is actually short and not actually a lot of content, doesn't really follow. It's just that games were much much smaller back in the day, partly because optimizing size and performance used to be the name of the game.

TMOG posted...

This. In FF7 specifically most of the game's story took place on Disc 1 and the other two discs were primarily sidequests and cutscenes. IIRC Disc 3 was pretty much just the final dungeon.

That's not true at all. Disc 3 is just the final dungeon, but disk 2 contains at least half of the story lol.

TMOG posted...

You're not trying to have a conversation either, you're just attacking something.

If you view my posts as attacking, the issue lies with you.

You're not trying to have a conversation here. You are defending something. I have much less interest in participating in that.

Everybody trying their best to ensure a Trump dictatorship.

TMOG posted...

So just curious, how many other RPG franchises can you think of where progress can be carried over directly from title to title

You don't get to say .hack since it's already been mentioned several times as the only example

This is a remake of a single game. How many RPGs make you start from a generic save after disk swap?

The real reason they didn't want saves to carry over, I expect, is that they didn't want the sales of each game to be constrained to those who have beaten each previous installment. Not any backwards compatability bullshit that could probably be fixed with a python script and 30 minutes of forethought.

Despite what fanboys say, no, it is not absurd to expect a remake of an RPG to include a save file to track your progress through the RPG.

Maybe if you didn't play the original and thought: "square is releasing a new series based off of an old game".

But that's not what anybody anticipating a remake would have wanted or expected a priori.

MrMojoRising posted...

Interesting. I didn't think that many people thought progress would carry over. That's a very rare thing in sequels, especially these days.

It's a remake of a single RPG, an RPG where actions at different parts of the game lead to a different set of available characters, where there exist many points along the game where you need to do various forms of long grinding and collecting to get particular rewards.

Having a continuous save is a pretty obvious thing to expect.

the_real_Naruto posted...

what if the PS6 isn't backwards compatible or can hold save data?

You frame this like it's a technical hurdle but it's not at all.

They could have absolutely done this but chose not to.

Since media literacy has tanked in the younger generation, pretty much any show or movie that portrays a character doing bad things, even when those actions are explicitly sanctioned in the media, is interpreted as support for those actions.

I was onboard until I realized that the save files don't transfer from part to part. Really kills a big part of the RPG for me.

No, obviously not. Presumably it leads to lots of murder. Even in the case of a burglar. Someone simply stealing from you is not an active threat.

Also, idk if you've ever been to a middle school, but the chances that on any given day these boys host a salad dressing chugging contests during lunch is non-zero.

The same discomfort that this child experienced is the same discomfort a child forced to eat broccoli experiences. Yucky.

I think the precedent this sets makes it so that anytime a child shares food and another student doesn't like it, the parent of that other child can try to get the parent jailed. Seems bad.

Smackems posted...

You can't fit a sword in (most) bras

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f0789e01.jpg

Parents forcing their children to eat broccoli should probably be on a look out for an onslaught of court cases then.

Meant to be agreeing with you, edited for clarity.

Yeah, I think there's a difference between "fund intramural sports" and "dump the majority of the budget into intramural sports so that parents can pretend to have children in the nfl".

There was no intent to injure, and there was no injury.

If I sent my kid to school with salad dressing in a nonstandard container (something very common, particularly in lower income families that use product containers for food storage), I am not responsible if some little shit steals it from my kid because they think it's something else and drinks it, and doesn't like the taste. Has nothing to do with my actions.

I don't think you can poison somebody with salad dressing.

Corbenik posted...

This is the problem with people like you. You think Trump is going to come and start rounding up people. You guys acted like this the first time too. Its really cringe and out of touch with reality.

If only mods had the ability to infer when a user is consistently disengenuous, deliberately trolling, minimally. Rather than just look at posts in isolation and allow users like this go continue to spread their shit.

The whole "be afraid, ai will take over soon" is just advertising from tech companies. There's no meaningful way you can just plug and play training sets into a reasonable form of intelligence, given what we know about studying the brain.