Lurker > Hornezz

Probably because if you don't vote for Biden, and Trump wins, conservatives will see to it that you can never vote again.

Pretty compelling reason to vote Biden, but hey, I like having rights \ _ ( ) _ /

No.

Young people have been shit on for yonks and are only recently being given any sort of attention to by politicians

How do you convince Biden to change his stance? So far the only answer people have been able to muster is "I'm not voting for Biden."

So, how do you square that with the notion of not voting for Biden has the potential to put Donnie in office who will decidedly do NOT those things? That's not even getting into all of the other baggage that belongs to him.

Still no feasible suggestions given in this topic from people who insist they just can't vote Biden.

I suggest voting for the lesser evil as opposed to supporting the greater evil. You dont get to twist that into a different meaning, troll

Thats a stretch and a half

Your actions speak louder than your words. Prove you support the lesser genocide by voting for Biden. If you dont, you prove you support the worse genocide. Thats all there is to it

There's a lot of posts I haven't read in this topic, but has anyone argued that genocide is a good thing? Maybe I missed it or it was someone I have/has me blocked?

How does giving republicans power again help Palestine?

Not one person ITT thinks that his handling of Gaza is a win in his favor. Moderates who love Israel probably consider it a boon, if anything. Standing up to those no good Hamas.

So we're back to: "Why aren't you asking the GOP to be better then? Why is it always the Democratic Party that has to work for your vote?"

Because I have no hope of successfully arguing to Republicans that killing brown children by the thousands is actually bad and should be resisted. I'd like to think Democrats agree with that but I might be wrong.

But him being in office prevents my brother and his girlfriend from being put in camps. Trump's being in office doesn't.

"Because the party that can be reasoned with won't give me what I want, I instead choose to help the party that will never help me win!".

Outstanding logic you guys have.

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These are 2 different arguments. Criticism of Biden is good, he needs to be criticized for his Israel stance. Theres no need to defend what hes doing there. Not voting is something else entirely.

I'm sorry that Trump warped the fabric of modern politics so irrevocably that now realistically the only choices we have is fascism and not fascism. But, yes, him being that fucking bad is the whole fucking point.

Biden didn't have to "earn my vote" because I'm not complicit in a fucking fascist rise to power. Biden didn't have to "earn my vote" because I can see the big picture and I'm not so far up my own ass that I'm going to sit be cool with my LGBT, non white, non religious friends and family be persecuted by an aspiring fascist.

"Why is it never the GOP that has to change?"

Trump would be worse. Only Biden being worse than Trump could change my vote.

• Is Biden's handling of the Gaza conflict actually helping that goal?
• Is the approach you, and so many other supporters ITT have, actually helping that goal?

Would be nice if one of these topics for once could move past the reflexive "but Trump worse". Yes, Trump is worse on every single category including Gaza. Now that we've established that, the discussion should be how to exactly prevent him from being elected again.

Is any of the following actually helping Biden to win votes?

- Send billions worth of bombs, despite wide disapproval among Dem voters for Israel's actions
- Outright deny the human rights violations going on in Gaza
- Accuse anti-genocide protestors of being idiots, Trumpers, Hamas supporters, Russia/China bots, etc.
- Pretend that a significant part of Dem voters is just a fringe group whose concerns can safely be ignored
- Threaten critics with concentration camps or deportations if they don't fall in line

But the number of dem voters who disapprove of Israel in general is a small subset of those who disapprove of Israel's actions in Gaza. That's the number who would actually be turned off from voting for him, and it's small.

Its not clear whether that actually will gain him votes. As many people as there are unhappy with is handling of Israel, theres likely to be just as much if not more backlash from more centeist Dem voters if he were to take a harder stance against Israel.

Biden is betting that cracking down on Israel would lose him more votes than continuing to appease them would, and he's probably right.

https://twitter.com/YWNReporter/status/1775229241027657743

The types who consider Israel Genocidal fascist assholes aren't inclined to vote for either party to begin with.

Right and this began in 1967 you said?

Pretending there isnt an obvious difference there.....not a great look.

Right so they get a blank check to rape murder and kidnap anyone around got you. Including innocent bystanders or from other nations that have nothing to do with it or werent even born when your supposed start of the war in 1967....

Oh...and do these organizations regularly post their own casualties and have a ministry of health for the whole world to use as a reference for their numbers?

you have offered zero alternatives, just mindless complaining and throwing emotional accusations without any substance.

if your strategy is to attack any polls you don't like as 'fake news' like the trumpers you are signal boosting then there really isn't any meaningful difference between you and the insurrection crowd. linking to a student newspaper isn't a compelling takedown of a poll fyi

Nuh uh Hornezz exclaimed as he waved around a poll.

every single united states president in recent history has supported israel and every single major candidate supported them as recently as the last presidential election. congress widely supports israel on both sides of the aisle

and americans (as evidenced by your own provided polls) support israel in huge numbers.

you are trying to prescribe claims i didn't make in a weird appeal to emotion while ignoring the political realities

i suspect you are one of the overprivledged that doesn't generally vote and tend to make demands on the internet while doing nothing to make the country or world a better place to exist.

you accuse me of cherrypicking while disingenuously summarizing what those polls actually show. in the majority of them democrats still support bidens handling of the conflict and still show that most americans support israel over palestine, just with caveats.

but if biden is seen as 'not supporting israel' in an election year it would be much worse for his chances than any other factor.

if he is seen as abandoning israel he risks losing huge swaths of his voting base and independent voters who he has to rely on.

You do know that Israel is not in the United States right?

UK government lawyers say Israel is breaking international law, claims top Tory in leaked recording

Chair of foreign affairs select committee Alicia Kearns said at a Tory fundraiser that legal advice would mean the UK has to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay

The British government has received advice from its own lawyers stating that Israel has breached international humanitarian law in Gaza but has failed to make it public, according to a leaked recording obtained by the Observer.

...any such legal advice would mean the UK had to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay.
Legal experts said that not to do so would risk putting the UK in breach of international law itself, as it would be seen as aiding and abetting war crimes by a country it was exporting arms to.

Israel admits killing 2 Palestinians and then burying them with a bulldozer after shocking video surfaces

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has admitted killing two Palestinian men and burying their bodies with a bulldozer after Al Jazeera published a video purportedly showing the incident Wednesday.

The men approached its "operational area" in central Gaza in a suspicious manner** and didnt respond to a warning shot, the IDF said in a statement to CNN. The Israelis killed them and bulldozed their bodies fearing they carried explosives, it said.