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Topic	Do u think Israel is going to cost Biden the election?
Hornezz 04/03/24 4:00:35 PM #321:	ssb_yunglink2 posted... These are 2 different arguments. Criticism of Biden is good, he needs to be criticized for his Israel stance. Theres no need to defend what hes doing there. Not voting is something else entirely. Appreciate the answer, and I agree on the surface. The question however is how to actually prevent those people from not voting. Biden's actions are turning them away. There are very obvious steps he could take to take away the criticisms and win back the support - but people here would rather shout at protestors that continuing genocide is the only option. Cemith posted... I'm sorry that Trump warped the fabric of modern politics so irrevocably that now realistically the only choices we have is fascism and not fascism. But, yes, him being that fucking bad is the whole fucking point. Biden didn't have to "earn my vote" because I'm not complicit in a fucking fascist rise to power. Biden didn't have to "earn my vote" because I can see the big picture and I'm not so far up my own ass that I'm going to sit be cool with my LGBT, non white, non religious friends and family be persecuted by an aspiring fascist. We don't like fascism because it oppresses and kills many innocent people, right? Which is something that should always be resisted, right? Even when it's people who are not close to you? I'd like to reiterate the point that telling people that they have to support genocide isn't actually a winning campaign strategy. There's no evidence whatsoever that Biden's unconditional support for Israel is necessary to win the election. Biden is not sending those bombs to Israel to save your friends and family from fascism. There's a very obvious gap in logic that nobody seems to address; arguing that Biden's reelection is top priority AND arguing that it's okay for Biden to ignore the concerns of a large part of his voters, are mutually exclusive. Cemith posted... "Why is it never the GOP that has to change?" Because I have no hope of successfully arguing to Republicans that killing brown children by the thousands is actually bad and should be resisted. I'd like to think Democrats agree with that but I might be wrong. --- In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes. <cite>Hornezz posted [p:979713502] in Do u think... [t:80737505]...</cite> <quote>ssb_yunglink2 posted... </cite><quote>These are 2 different arguments. Criticism of Biden is good, he needs to be criticized for his Israel stance. Theres no need to defend what hes doing there. Not voting is something else entirely.</quote>Appreciate the answer, and I agree on the surface. The question however is how to actually prevent those people from not voting. Biden's actions are turning them away. There are very obvious steps he could take to take away the criticisms and win back the support - but people here would rather shout at protestors that continuing genocide is the only option.Cemith posted... </cite><quote>I'm sorry that Trump warped the fabric of modern politics so irrevocably that now realistically the only choices we have is fascism and not fascism. But, yes, him being that fucking bad is the whole fucking point.Biden didn't have to "earn my vote" because I'm not complicit in a fucking fascist rise to power. Biden didn't have to "earn my vote" because I can see the big picture and I'm not so far up my own ass that I'm going to sit be cool with my LGBT, non white, non religious friends and family be persecuted by an aspiring fascist.</quote>We don't like fascism because it oppresses and kills many innocent people, right? Which is something that should always be resisted, right? Even when it's people who are not close to you?I'd like to reiterate the point that telling people that they have to support genocide isn't actually a winning campaign strategy. There's no evidence whatsoever that Biden's unconditional support for Israel is necessary to win the election. Biden is not sending those bombs to Israel to save your friends and family from fascism. There's a very obvious gap in logic that nobody seems to address; arguing that Biden's reelection is top priority AND arguing that it's okay for Biden to ignore the concerns of a large part of his voters, are mutually exclusive.Cemith posted... </cite><quote>"Why is it never the GOP that has to change?"</quote>Because I have no hope of successfully arguing to Republicans that killing brown children by the thousands is actually bad and should be resisted. I'd like to think Democrats agree with that but I might be wrong. --- In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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