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hombad46 posted...

Wow, Marshadow slander :(

Marshadow being a mythical (already a knock against it that makes Annihilape all the better) that came between Sun/Moon and Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon (meaning it gets forgotten due to US/UM's new additions)...just rough.

So let's take a look at what we've got, because this is a tough call.

Gen II...even though Heracross is a GREAT Pokemon, this is hindered by Tyrogue being THE worst Pokemon of all time, and Hitmontop not being worth the trouble in terms of a third, inferior evolution.

Gen VIII has SO MUCH heavy lifting being carried by post-game content. The DLC gave us Galarian Zapdos and the Urshifu line, and Arceus gave us Sneasler and Hisuian Lilligant. Those are all great. Which the main game of Sword/Shield gave us was an admittedly cool Galarian Farfetch'd...as one of SIX (Zamazenta's base form included) monotypes and NO dual-types whatsoever.

Gen VII is unfortunate. They gave us our first Ice/Fighting, Normal/Fighting (outside of special formes), Dragon/Fighting, Ghost/Fighting, and the first Bug/Fighting since Gen II...and none of them are REALLY high tier except Kommo-o by virtue of being a pseudolegendary. Nothing sticks from Gen VII's roster.

Gen V has some stars for sure. Mienfoo/Mienshao, Scraggy/Scrafty, and the legendary trio are all solid entries. But I just think Pignite/Emboar, while not bad, are a step down from the previous two generations. The Timburr line is FAR inferior to what it's replicating, and Sawk/Throh even moreso. Plus Keldeo is awful.

Gen III has Blaziken and Breloom, both of which are amazing, top tier Pokemon. Unfortunately, Combusken's a bad design, Meditite's a bad design, the Makuhita line is kinda lame, and Medicham is okay. Blaziken/Breloom/Medicham feel like a solid foray into having a decent number of unique Fighting type combos, but it's not enough.

Gen I has a lot of quality Pokemon, with Machamp, Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan being especially memorable. The big problem I have ranking it the BEST is that of the EIGHT Fighting-types in Gen I, SEVEN of them are monotypes, so there's little diversity there.

Gen VI is a surprising one to me, because it gives some solid Megas, most of which have great designs, and three of the four new Pokemon are REALLY high tier. The only thing holding it basic is the disappointment of Chesnaught.

Gen IV is solid. It might only have four lines, but all four final evolutions are awesome, and the three pre-evos aren't terrible either (with Riolu as one of the few baby Pokemon that's actually GOOD).

Gen IX is the best. There is only one Pokemon among this number that I have no real fondness for (Slither Wing), and this generation gave us TWO Water/Fighting-types (after we'd only had Poliwrath and a mythical for the previous eight generations), a second non-legendary Fighting/Flying-type, finally completed Fighting's pairings with multiple Electric/Fighting-types, Ground/Fighting AND Fairy/Fighting, plus one of the better cover legendaries.

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Weavile and Sneasler are both top 50 Pokemon. Hell, Sneasler alone almost salvages Gen VIII's otherwise garbage line-up (outside of the starters).

Little over an hour left on this.

mnk posted...

Sneasler finishing third in its division is a crime.

I agree. In that division, it should've been the easy winner except for maybe Koffing nostalgia.

TRIPLE DIVE
+3 Buneary
+2 Honedge
+1 Victini
-1 Cetoddle
-2 Carbink
-3 Enamorus

Jesus Christ this division is bad. I'd be more than happy minusing literally everything here under the right circumstances.

HYPER BEAM
+3 Vivillon
+2 Sirfetch'D
+1 Girafarig
-1 Sealeo
-2 Patrat
-3 Chingling

And then this one is almost as bad I genuinely don't want to give my +1 to anything here. Holy fuck.

Dark Gathering

If we can trade, I'll trade my two standard noms for Dr. Stone.

AriaOfBolo posted...

I like the line a lot actually!

The LINE is fine. Bounsweet is literal trash tier bottom 25 Pokemon ever.

It's definitely not Gen IV (almost nothing except a baby and an evolution of something from Gen II), Gen V (the only Fairy is a less-than-great line), and Gen VI (holy hell for the generation that introduced Fairy-types, Sylveon is the only truly GOOD Pokemon on that roster). Gen VIII & Gen IX have some good stuff, but they also have some trash. Gen III has two stars, but also a worthless baby and Ralts. Similarly, three of Gen II's are babies, and Snubbull isn't THAT great either. So it comes down to Gen I (which I think is almost perfect except Wigglytuff is kinda lame) and Gen VII (which has more duds...but also a much larger roster.)

I've gotta go with Gen VII, because A-Ninetales, Primarina, Cutiefly, Ribombee, Mimikyu, and the Tapus are SUCH high quality, and Morelull/Shiinotic are good choices for Grass/Fairy.

Another bump.

Bumping again.

WATER SPORT DIVISION
+3 Zangoose
+2 Lokix
+1 Crustle
-1 Beheeyem
-2 Bastiodon
-3 Garbodor

ELECTROWEB DIVISION
+3 Sneasler
+2 Dewgong
+1 Finizen
-1 Purugly
-2 Silicobra
-3 Pinurchin

Morning bump.

Alright, let's look at this group:

Definitely not Gen III...lame Pika-clones, and I don't care for Manectric's design.

Not Gen VI. Already talked about Manectric's design being bad, but with such a small roster, Dedenne carries too much weight.

Not Gen VIII. There's almost nothing great here except for Toxtricity.

Not Gen V. The legendaries, Stunfisk, and the Eelektrik NFEs kill it.

Not Gen IX. Bellibolt's line, the pointlessness of Pawmi/Pawmo, and Sandy Shocks bring it down.

Not Gen IV. Shinx/Luxio/Pachirisu weigh it down too much.

Not Gen VII. The Geodude line could've been much better, and Togedemaru is disappointing.

Ultimately, it comes down to Gen I having a perfect roster, while Raikou is awful (plus Flaaffy is disappointing.)

Does Trump run again in 2020 if he loses in 2016? He doesn't really have the same level of scrutiny towards his actions if he wasn't the president at one point, and there's less of a drive to protect himself from prosecution by bypassing the legal system via the presidency.

mnk posted...

Even without a number of good Mega Evolutions, VI still wins for me. Goomy and Tyrunt lines, Noibat, and Zygarde are all great, and Dragalge is pretty cool too.

IX is close. Miraidon, the Frigibax line, Hydrapple (missing from poll list) and Raging Bolt are also great, and Tatsugiri is neat.

Dammit. These topics are hard to make right every time. >_<

Gen I's trio is perfect...but there are only three of them.

Gen II is obviously a no.

Gen III does well, but Altaria/Bagon/Shelgon aren't good enough, and Salamence is one of my least favorite pseudos.

Gen IV's legendaries are awful.

Gen V's legendaries are awful, PLUS Deino/Zweilous/Druddigon.

Gen VI has some really good mega evolutions, but some flaws, and I'm not the biggest fan of the Goodra line.

Gen VII has far more misses than hits across the board.

Gen VIII has some big misses with Dreepy, the fossils, and Appletun.

Gen IX is very feast or famine with some of the options here, especially since I'm not a huge fan of the DLC paradoxes.

Ultimately, I think I've gotta go with VI, because it's one of the most through typings that small roster has to offer.

Arti posted...

Day 2 again

Oops. Oh well.

Aw, no anime stuff? But Zombieland Saga tho...

About two hours left to vote.

Morning bump.

Thank God on that. Cinderace losing would've been terrible (and Alcremie should absolutely have been bottom three in that set of Pokemon).

Because I think the Ruins Quartet brings down the overall quality of the typing for that generation. Plus Brute Bonnet.

This is tough. I would say it's definitely NOT Gens 5/7/8/9.

Gen 6 has some good stuff (plus the megas, but it's not enough).

Gen 4 just isn't QUITE enough either. So it really comes down to 2 vs. 3.

I think 2 just has ZERO duds, so that's where my vote goes.

Around an hour and a half left.

It was between 1, 6 and 8 for me, but 1 has perhaps too much nostalgia wrapped up in it, and six was gonna coast too much on the Mega Evolutions.

5 is solid, but it just has TOO much going on, which means too many Pokemon I dislike.

Defog basically has two Pokemon that should be obvious eliminations, but then everything else could theoretically get enough hate to secure that third spot, even though none of them are bad.

When You Wish Upon a Star (This is like, Disney's flagship song)
Beauty and the Beast (I would've considered Part of Your World, but apparently it didn't even get nominated for best original song, while Under the Sea and Kiss the Girl both did. Meanwhile, Beauty and the Beast is just iconic as like THE symbol of the Disney Renaissance)
Let It Go (The modern day's most iconic song, and probably the song that single-handedly made Frozen the biggest Disney property in decades)
Be Prepared (I had to give a spot to a villain song, and Lion King is the biggest Disney movie of all time...so it felt wrong not including one song from the list)

Jesus Christ, Inteleon is one of the only good Pokemon from Sword/Shield and you all still eliminated it in round one?

Overheat
+3 Espeon
+2 Inteleon
+1 Cacturne
-1 Shinx
-2 Spidops
-3 Magearna

Ice Hammer
+3 Jolteon
+2 Ribombee
+1 Electrode
-1 Luvdisc
-2 Rolycoly
-3 Larvesta

Man, WAY too close for Mandibuzz.

DRAGON HAMMER
+3 Dragonair
+2 Growlithe
+1 Munchlax
-1 Brute Bonnet
-2 Scatterbug
-3 Flittle

You know a group is bad when all of my plusses are NFEs.

MAKE IT RAIN
+3 Milotic
+2 Mightyena
+1 Ampharos
-1 Registeel
-2 Ralts
-3 Perrserker

Christ this group is stacked with those top three.

Cosmog is adorable and a major part of the S/M storyline. Druddigon is...not.

SKETCH
+3 Joltik
+2 Aerodactyl
+1 Miraidon
-1 Silcoon
-2 Frigibax
-3 Gossifleur

HARDEN
+3 Scizor
+2 Aegislash
+1 Baxcalibur
-1 Gothorita
-2 Cascoon
-3 Salandit

PSYCHIC TERRAIN
+3 Clefairy
+2 Rhyperior
+1 Ogerpon
-1 Scraggy
-2 Lapras
-3 Zekrom

THIS is the shit division, holy fuck. You know it's bad when my +3 goes to an NFE.

AGILITY
+3 Mandibuzz
+2 Dragapult
+1 Iron Thorns
-1 Quagsire
-2 Omastar
-3 Croconaw

Meanwhile the one really good Pokemon in this group already looks like it's gonna do poorly. >_>

Johnbobb posted...

The Timburr line is wildly underrated. They're the Machop line for the modern generations imo

Morpeko getting eliminated is a huge surprise though

With Dedenne going out and Pawmot almost getting eliminated, it seems the Pikaclones aren't doing all that well. Which is a shame, because Pawmot is the best Pikaclone.

Tony the Tiger
Lucky the Leprechaun
Trix Rabbit
Toucan Sam

Power Trick
+3 Arcanine
+2 Floragato
+1 Basculegion
-1 Poipole
-2 Drifloon
-3 Drowzee

Morning Sun
+3 Haunter
+2 Gastly
+1 Iron Crown
-1 Seel
-2 Archen
-3 Terapagos

Searing Shot
+3 Ponyta
+2 Grimer
+1 Florges
-1 Clodsire
-2 Turtwig
-3 Raikou

Rain Dance
+3 Pawmot
+2 Annihilape
+1 Hawlucha
-1 Azurill
-2 Barbaracle
-3 Bergmite

Poison Jab
+3 Hydrapple
+2 Overqwil
+1 Scyther
-1 Cutiefly
-2 Glalie
-3 Whimsicott

(I would give almost every Pokemon in this division a positive score if it were in the other set)

Dragon Rage
+3 Cubone
+2 Regice
+1 Noivern
-1 Whiscash
-2 Dedenne
-3 Elgyem

(Likewise, I would give almost every Pokemon in this division a negative score if they were in the other set)