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"Phantom of the Opera"
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-J2K

Up
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I played both of these games within about a year of each other back in the day, and I hold them in about equal esteem. Good games, but not really top 20. I kno LttP is more popular, but the consensus on EV seems to growing and growing.
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Wow these results
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Close between SMRPG and FF6
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OliviaTremor posted...

Everyone submit Full Throttle images.

I don't have anything.
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Necrospike posted...

Metal_DK posted...

it is, and ive been saying for about a decade now.

1998
2001
1995
1994
1997
2000
2004
1999
1991
1987

Gaming has been shit since 2007 especially

Yeah. I had high hopes for Torment: Tides of Numenera. But lo and behold they, um, "post-2007-ified" it. :(

Witcher 3?
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ExThaNemesis posted...

The only thing about Undertale that isn't hot garbage is the music, and even that is overrated (Megalovania the only stand out)

"Hopes and Dreams" is pretty awesome
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Didn't League of Legends not even make it in?
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Playing through it now, great game.
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While I hope there's no UT rallying, 2015 really should get this. Fallout 4, MGSV, Witcher 3, even Undertale itself. For me at least it's a pretty top tier year.
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Playing Undertale now. I know it's going to be short, but it's very good, probably in my top 10.
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FFIV or Fallout 2.

FFIV because the old SNES cartridge would reset around the time I got to the last fifth of the game or so. I only got to the Final Boss on one playthrough. I probably played through it 3-4 times for that reason, I had far more patience back then, since I really don't even consider it among my favorite games.
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wtf these results
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Wanglicious posted...

and lol at KOTOR at #14. f*** no. nowhere f***ing close.

It's generally regarded as a top 5 RPG (or at least was for a long time). I actually find it sort of overrated myself.
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I learned a new word today
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lordjers posted...

FF6 is so overrated to me. Like, that game is defined by good moments such as the theater, the cliff and the final battle (mostly by atmosphere cause the actual battle sucks), but when it comes to the actual regular and boss battles, there's not much there, and the battle themes are a downgrade from what we had before.

The cast is huge, but only a few characters are actually important, and even then you're kinda left wanting, which is a shame for a story-driven FF, which up to this point were the even numbered ones.

I also never bothered to get all those gimmick rages.

If say 8 of the 14 characters are pretty significant
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ninkendo posted...

also not including Mother 3 is a crime against video games

I'm a video game cop

Same as Terranigma, no US release
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Lopen posted...

I strangely might take less offense to Chrono Cross being #1 on such a list. Despite thinking Chrono Trigger is way the hell better, it's at least a conclusion I could vaguely comprehend someone who is an RPG fan and has knowledge of 100 RPGs coming to.

If you've played 100 RPGs and are some RPG nut, and Chrono Trigger is the one that hit everything just right for you? It's just bizarre to think of for me. Like you have to be playing the wrong genre.

It's a great #10 rpg choice, but a terrible #1.

You seem to be confusing "best RPG" with "best at being an RPG." If it were the latter, Daggerfall or something would probably be the be #1.
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Lopen posted...

transcience posted...

do you feel the same about FF4 or FF6? I don't see much of a difference there.

I think it may be unclear what CT lacks that an RPG enthusiast should want. I'll explain:

1. Meaningful gear and party composition choices. The most straightforward example of this you can see in the weapons. You get a weapon and only one member of your party can use it, and it's just take it as it appears. There are some random curveballs-- like you might wanna use the Swallow with Crono for longer than its attack value would indicate cause of the +3 speed but it's generally a treadmill of "get the universal strongest gear" Only one accessory slot, and armor despite having some illusion of choice early tends to homogenize later. FFVI beats FFIV here strong with more diverse gear sets, party choices, and esper system, but they're both pretty clearly ahead of CT I think.

2. Depth to battle system. Everyone has their set of 8 skills and that's what you've got. Most dual and triple techs are just more damage or more healing. You've got some that can heal, with elemental strengths/weaknesses basically being pokemonesque in that you've either got em or you don't. Not a huge difference between say Frog and Marle aside from preference. Status ailments are not really a factor in general. It's basically buff, bash, and heal. Most fights do not require any specific strategy beyond occasional gimmicks clearly explained in the fight, which is the case in Mario RPG too. FF games have these token gimmick fights-- like the first boss fight in both are "don't attack now or eat this terrible counter", but they have more than that too.

3. Plot and character complexity. CT's plot is very basic, and there isn't much in the way of character development or anything. There are probably two major twists in the story and that's it. FFIV and FFVI kill it in this regard I think.

It's mostly the first two where I feel CT is pretty stripped down speaking objectively. The third I realize is more subjective and I could humor an argument that CT isn't really all that far below FFVI and FFIV but yeah, I'd put the plot closer to Mario RPG than one of the FF games.

It's basically Star Wars A New Hope to a lot of people, although I agree some of the cast isnt as good (though some are). I do disagree about the story being too simplistic. Not that twists are everything, but I can think of three just of the top of my head.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

'87 is what really got the NES going though, 85's status as a gaming rebirth is a little overrated

So SMB and the NES didn't sell as much until 87? A friend of mine got it around 89-90, but I was that was probably my first exposure to it.
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Jeff Zero posted...

I feel like the bulk of that trend toward proclaiming it overrated died down around 2004. There will be embers of it for eternity, though.

I agree it started to die down in the mid 2000s and was very highly regarded for a few years, but for the past 5 years or so those comments came right back, and the most irritating part is that so many people saying it act like it's a completely novel concept.
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Wanglicious posted...

where's Terranigma?

Probably not in due to no western release
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Like I said in another thread, I get that this contest is mostly about games, but 85 should really win this one. It was the release of the NES and the rebirth of console gaming.
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Between the two IGN and the Gameinformer lists, maybe people will start to see FFVII isn't the most overrated game ever..?
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VeryInsane posted...

Witcher 3 has basically usurped it as the big WRPG

Maybe, but it's still not even close in terms of sales
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Enterprise season 4 is up there, too.
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Yi Ti
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Ultimaphazon posted...

Hope isn't exactly great, but compared to others, like Eiko, Vaan, Penelo, Irvine, Tellah, Edward, or some others, he is amazing.

Edward (story, not gameplay) was great, and Tellah was fine for what he was
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Used to rent it a lot from Blockbuster in the spring of 98 and it quickly became my favorite game. Eventually Blockbuster stopped carrying it, and I was disappointing and wanted to play it again. Sort of odd looking back since I beat it and I've never really been huge on replaying games. Anyway, I never played the SNES version again due to it being rare/expensive, and I eventually got it three years later on the PS1.
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85 really should be winning. I get most of these contests will be judged by the games, but 85 was basically the rebirth of console gaming in the US with the release of the NES....
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Zack

though that's based on the first few hours of CC. I liked him in FFVII
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Menji posted...

transience posted...

52 - Final Fantasy VII

well this is a list alright

Ugh.. IGN has always had something against FFVII*. If they at least admitted they thought there was some flaw in it that kept it from being on the top tier it would be one thing, but I'm guessing they just said good things about it.

*One exception being the list I mentioned above, where it actually got #11.
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They did one a few years ago, as well. Top 3 were CT, BGII, and FFVI.
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FrozenBananas posted...

I haven't heard that name in ages.

From the first day gamefaqs created the "ignore list", his was the first name I added to it.

My mind has been in heavenly peace since then

Didn't he start using a different name?
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More comedy ones
-Arrested Development is quality, but it's not a top tier sitcom
-Futurama is good when it comes to storylines/ideas and characters, but as a comedy it's not really anything special
-Broad City is overrated
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the only one that i need
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20 to 25%
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deoxxys posted...

you all have bad opinions

triggered?
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-Whose Line is funny, but not that funny
-Sports are boring (though I probably should give Football more of a chance)
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If I wouldn't do it for North Dakota...
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While I respect the PS2 for its success and big library of good games, it didn't have as many great games as the PS1 or even PS3/360

Crisis Core is vastly inferior to FFVII, and Zack is possibly the worst protagonist I've seen in a game (to be fair, I only played about 3 hours)

There's actually a decent sized difference in quality between the Oracle games, with Ages being better
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Yeah 1997 would probably be a pretty weak year without FF7, so if you're taking it to the finals that means your theory of the contest should be (to leading order) that only the strongest game in a year really matters

Goldeneye?
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Same, with 2001 and 1994 being in the final four. 94 vs 91 might be tough
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Centrists, yes. Radical, not so much
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DorkLink posted...

Or you could have just said "Oh, sorry, I'm just resting between sets; is there something wrong with that open machine over there?"

Nah, she was justified
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dainkinkaide posted...

Autumn is the best season.

I've actually done that poll here, and Autumn wins easily
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-Matrix movies got progressively better
-24 season 6 > season 1
-Phantom Menace > Fellowship of the Ring
-MGS4 isn't just the best in the series, but it's the best by far
-Skyrim has better cities than Morrowind and Witcher 3
-Original Iron Man was overrated
-Lyanna Mormont from GoT is kind of a brat
-Don Rickles was more annoying than funny
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FFIX
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-J2K

I have about 10.

-Democracy (Only one that's currently active: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=new_hocksmith)
-Commuinist/Socialist Dictaorship
-Libertarian State
-Right Wing Dictatorship
-Social Democracy/Mixed Economy
-Socially Conservative Democracy
-Futuristic Dictatorship with High quality of life (think Brave New Word I guess)
-Collectivist Commune nation (inspired by Shakers)
-Old school Kingdom
-Strict Religious theocracy
-SJW Land

Last two were pretty recent.

I first got into the site about 4 and a half years ago due to a thread ICOYAR posted on this board.
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