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TopicSave My X-Men: Day 1 (300 remain) [SMXM]
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05/06/24 7:48:21 PM
#110
Wither
Wiz-Kid
Wolf Cub
Zero
Ziggy Karst

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TopicBoard 8's Top 20 NES Games - The Results
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05/06/24 10:55:27 AM
#114
I'm like "why is everyone hating on Mega Man 3" and I see it's people from Poland upset there isn't more representation in their game again and I feel rejuvenated in my belief it's the best NES Mega Man.

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TopicSave My X-Men: Day 1 (300 remain) [SMXM]
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05/06/24 10:09:55 AM
#82
Random
Rasputin IV
Redneck
Rockslide
Rubbermaid

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TopicFill in the Blank 275: The ___ from ___
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05/06/24 7:18:26 AM
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jcgamer107 posted...
The Creature from the Black Lagoon


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TopicWhat four foods belong on the Mexican Foods Mount Rushmore?
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05/06/24 7:02:46 AM
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Mexican girls love to arbitrarily gatekeep things from being "real" Mexican so I believe it was said but it also should be regarded as arbitrary gatekeeping as it is rather than credible information.

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TopicSave My X-Men: Day 1 (300 remain) [SMXM]
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05/06/24 6:31:02 AM
#78
Kid Gladiator
Kid Omega
Kidogo
Kwannon/Revanche
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TopicMost Iconic Soul Calibur 2 theme?
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05/05/24 11:59:18 PM
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Viola had the orb things

That's all I remember

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TopicMost Iconic Soul Calibur 2 theme?
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05/05/24 11:18:31 PM
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Soul Calibur IV was still fine I thought. I preferred it over III in fact

After that though have had trouble getting into any of them

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TopicSave My X-Men: Day 1 (300 remain) [SMXM]
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05/05/24 11:16:49 PM
#55
Sebastian Shaw
Shard
Shark-Girl
Sharon Friedlander
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TopicWhat four foods belong on the Mexican Foods Mount Rushmore?
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05/05/24 11:10:06 PM
#33
Tacos
Enchiladas
Tamales
Chile Rellenos

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TopicBoard 8's Top 20 NES Games - The Results
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05/05/24 5:15:42 PM
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Wow no first place votes for punch out is a bit surprising. I would put it at second or third probably but it'd be in strong consideration for first

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TopicBest Game of 94 R1 Day 8 *With Doom 2 and Super Punch-Out!!*
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05/05/24 10:44:11 AM
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X-Men: Mutant Apocalypse (Super Nintendo)

Super Punch-Out!! (Super Nintendo)

Alien vs Predator (Arcade)

Doom II: Hell on Earth (PC)

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TopicFill in the Blank 274: ___ Men
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05/05/24 10:39:12 AM
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X

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TopicCan you consider a game to be "good" if mods are nearly necessary?
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05/04/24 9:50:53 PM
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I know this feeling from Skyrim

Needs combat/mechanic mods. It's a good game but I'll always mention the mods so it's full disclosure.

If I have to rate the game it'll probably be the modded score not the vanilla score, but mentally I'll assign it an arbitrary penalty. The game has native support for modding though so not a big penalty.

Most other games I've played the mods are just a fun diversion so they weigh almost nothing.

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 7:23:24 PM
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Id put that in firm exclusive tier 1.1 with Clayfighter 63 1/3 and Fighter's History

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 6:57:17 PM
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redrocket posted...
Virtua Fighter?

I don't think so. You'd want Tekken if you were going that way. Virtua Fighter was first but by not even a year-- and Tekken just crushed it in terms of success and didn't come out that much later at all.

It'd be like including Fatal Fury or Art of Fighting over King of Fighters.

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 6:51:18 PM
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Yeah SF4 is actually a good one. I'd probably include it before Smash Melee as well but I'd have to think about it

Games that I think are worth considering for this rushmore

Street Fighter 2
Street Fighter 4
Mortal Kombat
Mortal Kombat 2
Tekken
Tekken 3
Soul Calibur 2
X-Men vs Street Fighter
Marvel vs Capcom 2
Marvel vs Capcom 3
King of Fighters 94
King of Fighters 98
Super Smash Bros Melee
Super Smash Bros Ultimate

Don't think any others really should be in the discussion

And yes Ehrgeiz was a failure. The Star Wars game was too. Tournament Fighters I think did fine. The Marvel vs Capcom games were pretty good successes though and I think that's all the encouragement Square would need there. Again hard to know but the WELL MADE Fighters with licensed properties were having their share of success well before Smash came along so it seems wrong to say it pushed anyone aside from the straight knock offs.

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 6:04:34 PM
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I don't agree. I think Ehrgeiz existing and predating Smash kinda refutes that one-- Square was already experimenting with putting its characters in fighters. Unless you're saying fighters never experiment with alternate damage systems without Smash? I don't really agree there either-- Square made the Bushido Blade games which were experimenting with weird damage systems too. Mixing franchises? Again the Marvel vs Capcom games were already doing that. Heck there was Star Wars Masters of Teras Kasi experimenting with that kinda stuff too. You yourself mentioned TMNT Tournament Fighter, even, which was an early example of using established characters for a fighting game.

I mean it's hard to know but I just think Smash was late to the party to really put much of the appeal to it. It's not like the games before it doing the same kinda things were flopping.

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 5:26:01 PM
#113
HaRRicH posted...
Final Fantasy and Playstation All-Stars to Warner Bros. and Nickelodeon

Final Fantasy? I don't consider Dissidia to be remotely Smashy.

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 5:05:02 PM
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Leonhart4 posted...
I dislike using sales numbers as a barometer of impact. That feels like least common denominator stuff.

I agree and only went into those weeds cause Ulti did to be clear.

Though a straight "sales" rushmore isn't too bad. You'd basically want a rep from SF, Tekken, MK, and Smash. Which is fine, just not the one I'd pick

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 4:16:44 PM
#103
Kanz is arguing the same factual data I am though in saying 3d fighters are the most popular subgenre. (Which is not an actual argument I care a lot about but yeah, he's not wrong)

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 4:15:08 PM
#101
UltimaterializerX posted...
you're a waste of time because I don't waste mental energy debating proven factual data


UltimaterializerX posted...
You actually are right

Lol

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 4:12:34 PM
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I'm not saying Tekken is more popular than Smash

Just that Tekken is a big deal as a series and even a purely sales argument (which is the only one Smash really has) doesn't put it out of the running against Smash

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 4:09:33 PM
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I mean

You do realize Tekken as a series (alone) has sold pretty close to what Smash as a series has right Ulti. Add in Soul Calibur, Dead or Alive, Virtua Fighter, and whatever other ones did anything and 3d fighters probably beat platform fighters in terms of total sales pretty convincingly

Granted Tekken has like 3x the games Smash does but it shows your ignorance to say 3d fighters don't have any ground to stand

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 3:48:06 PM
#92
Art of Fighting and Fatal Fury deserve probably more credit for supers existing conceptually. Which is another nod to why KoF98 is a good rep. It kinda gives a nod to all of SNK's contributions to the genre, which are a ton and way exceed Smash's island of well received games

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 3:38:43 PM
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WhiteLens posted...
Clearly it was The King of Fighters '94. Kids seeing all those SNK characters together in a fighting game must have been a treat to them.

Honestly feel KoF94 unironically deserves credit for the crossover stuff and team based stuff that's why I was thinking about KoF to begin with. Just think 98 kinda "represents" that influence about as well and was way more popular (kinda like Melee is, rightfully, getting votes over Smash 64)

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 3:36:43 PM
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I guess I just think X-Men vs Street Fighter and all its follow ups (they were 3 games deep before Smash) means Smash was wholly unneeded for that

I mean Ehrgeiz came out before Smash!

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 3:33:13 PM
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Side note I actually think X-Men vs Street Fighter is a better rep than Marvel vs Capcom 2/3 because of this but no one is voting it.

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 3:31:12 PM
#84
Leonhart4 posted...
I'd say games like that where you're getting fanfiction wish fulfillment in a fighter is what Smash really created

I would say Smash helped that along but that actually started with X-Men vs Street Fighter

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 3:28:12 PM
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If I were to include X-Men vs Street Fighter or Marvel vs Capcom 2 on the list it wouldn't be because they "invented the tag fighting genre" but they do have elements that permeate into fighting games as a whole, tag fighting being one of them.

Assists, absurd combo counts/visual effects, and using multiple IPs would be almost more notable though.

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 3:21:33 PM
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2d fighter
2.5d fighter
3d fighter

For me that's basically it.

Like I guess you could dig up specific things like "tag fighter" or "gory fighter" or "crossover fighter" which to me is the finer subdivisioning where you start putting platform/party fighters aka Smash in. But even those subdivisions have more "genre" cred than platform fighting cause they exist in more than one series that was successful

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 3:10:06 PM
#77
Honestly I don't know if Platform Fighting really counts as a notable genre

Imagine every horror movie but zombie movies completely flopped. Would horror even be a genre or they just be called scary Sci-Fi/Fantasy movies that have zombies in them.

The "sub-genre" IS Smash. It is the most popular sub genre because Smash is a popular game but yeah. That just boils down to "Smash is popular" not "it invented a popular sub-genre"

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 3:03:41 PM
#76
UltimaterializerX posted...
Melee belongs here for inventing the most popular subgenre in the history of fighting games. It would be like leaving Street Fighter 2 off the list

SF2 is now a "subgenre of fighting games"

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 2:40:18 PM
#71
"It is goodest game so it is lockest game" - iiaattgg (paraphrased)

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 2:32:22 PM
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They'd have to mutually be snobs. Crossover goes both ways.

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 2:19:37 PM
#66
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Yes. MenaRD, widely considered among the best Street Fighter players in present day, did compete in Smash Bros in the past.

https://www.ssbwiki.com/Smasher:MenaRD

The fact that you can only name one and not several is negative support for the idea that it notably expanded the genre.

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 2:13:29 PM
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Street Fighter IV and Marvel vs Capcom 3 did a lot more for the genre's health than Smash ever did imo.

If anything Brawl specifically might have been a net negative for the genre's health. That game was antihype and we're lucky SFIV and Marvel 3 came out shortly after it.

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 2:01:21 PM
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And again I'm not saying Smash can't be here

I just take umbrage at a bunch of people saying it's a LOCK to be here. It absolutely should not be a lock. Fighters were here before Smash and they would be here without Smash existing in pretty much exactly the same state they are now.

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 1:59:53 PM
#61
Leonhart4 posted...
You can argue the fact that almost all of them suck is a reason to exclude Melee but to say it's had no impact on the genre is flatly untrue

I think the fact that all of them suck is exactly why it has had very little impact on the genre

You've got Smash Bros and a few platform fighters that no one sniffs about. It's not influence on the genre-- it's a hit game that people are trying to copy to get some easy money.

If 3D style Fighters were all a joke aside from Tekken I'd argue Tekken shouldn't really be here either. But you've got several successful franchises that didn't directly copy Tekken as much as use elements and build off them to be their own thing. That's the difference between real influence on the genre and being in a profitable vacuum like Smash is.

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/04/24 1:36:52 PM
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Melee getting so many votes that say "oh yeah it's always on here 100%" is just evidence of what you get when you have a group of people who don't really play fighting games make a Rushmore for fighting games.

Like I'm not saying Melee or Ultimate can't at least be considered for this but full stop the only "this is a total lock" entry in this one is Street Fighter 2. There are just too many milestone entries, and popularizing a subgenre of fighting games and overall sales figures is a compelling reason to vote Smash Bros but in terms of the genre itself I feel it influenced little aside from "made a few very high selling popular games"-- it's really off on its own island in terms of penetration into the genre.

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TopicBoard 8's Top 20 NES Games - The Results
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05/04/24 1:05:50 PM
#60
This is cool. Would have submitted a list if I saw it!

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TopicFill in the Blank 272: ___ Awards
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05/04/24 1:05:24 PM
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Academy

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TopicBest Game of 94 R1 Day 7 *With Sonic 3 and Donkey Kong 94!*
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05/04/24 11:23:43 AM
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Sonic the Hedgehog 3 and Knuckles (Sega Genesis)
Mega Man Soccer (Super Nintendo)
Donkey Kong (Game Boy)
Spider-Man and Venom: Maximum Carnage (SNES, Genesis)

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TopicFill in the Blank 273: Bi___
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05/04/24 12:02:48 AM
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Curious

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/03/24 11:51:44 PM
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Street Fighter II
Mortal Kombat 2
Marvel vs Capcom 2
Soul Calibur 2

Ultimate hot take: Smash Bros is a fighter but shouldn't be on rushmore

Replace Soul Calibur 2 with King of Fighters 98

I was leaning that way at first. Feels more right

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TopicWhat four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER
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05/03/24 10:21:51 PM
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Street Fighter II
Mortal Kombat 2
Marvel vs Capcom 2
Soul Calibur 2

Ultimate hot take: Smash Bros is a fighter but shouldn't be on rushmore

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TopicHow do Staples retail locations still exist?
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05/03/24 7:33:16 PM
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I don't know why it wouldn't?

"It has a good website" shouldn't be a reason to not go into a store. People would go into Amazon if they had storefronts.

I think why you don't see people is because you generally know what you want if you go in one and aren't browsing a lot. I've seen several people in them and I have only gone maybe 6 or 7 times in the past few years.

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TopicI'm down 50lbs in the last 108 days.
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05/03/24 11:24:53 AM
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Ah

Well I think you're going to see really noticeable changes soon. In a good way. That might motivate you to finish up and hit your 160. It definitely starts to get more noticeable as you hit certain breakpoints. (I mean you're already noticing with oversized pants but you know)

Either way though whatever you're happy with. Settling at 175 wouldn't be bad at all.

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TopicI'm down 50lbs in the last 108 days.
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05/02/24 1:56:19 PM
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Should note I'm 6'0" though so maybe my perspective is totally not the same as yours. Either way, losing that weight is awesome.

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