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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
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Day 7 link: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/77337225#2

Link versus Cloud and anyone else who has yet to post their Fodder Line ranking, please do so in the new topic.
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Also, I was considering conducting two days of bonus rankings for characters who didn't appear in CBX after the main series concludes, depending on interest - one for veterans and one for newcomers. If you're interested, please post saying as much, along with any suggestions you might have for characters to include in each slate.
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Hello everyone, and welcome to the project where we rank all the CBX characters by contest strength! This time, well be ranking the High Fodder, comprised of the following characters:

Chris Redfield, Claire Redfield, Commander Shepard, Dragonborn, Ellie, Ezio Auditore da Firenze, Garrus Vakarian, Geno, King K. Rool, Lloyd Irving, Metal Sonic, Miles Edgeworth, Ramza Beoulve, Ren Amamiya/Joker, Richter Belmont, Riku, Shovel Knight, Shulk, and Velvet Crowe

Before we get going, heres the Rules, as always:

1. If at all possible, please number your rankings (ex. 1 for the strongest character, etc.) - it makes your ranks much clearer, allowing me to tabulate them much easier.
2. Rankings of indirect strength are preferred, but direct rankings will be allowed, especially in tandem with indirect rankings.
3. Stick to one ranking per tier (or one ranking each of indirect and direct strength if you choose to separate them) - dont try to sway the standings with multiple accounts.
4. Youre always welcome to submit retroactive rankings if you missed one or more days, as well as change your existing rankings if so inclined, up until this project ends.
5. And most importantly, be nice to each other, even people you dont like! Discussion is welcomed and encouraged, but this isnt ultimately meant to be an overly serious project, so I dont want to see any knock-down, drag-out arguments developing in here about how someones not ranking by the stats or whatever else - use your discretion about this.

Our spreadsheet, where you can find all of this project's raw data: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1s6rNxUlXY3kpo9Ru-Pyw9CjtGBIRasJKiUv6a7cEgEw/edit?usp=sharing

And our Board 8 Wiki page, where you can find the list of tiers, among other things: http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Ranking_the_CBX_Characters_by_Contest_Strength

Heres the High Fodder characters listed in an easy copy-paste format:

Chris
Claire
Dragonborn
Edgeworth
Ellie
Ezio
Garrus
Geno
Joker
K. Rool
Lloyd
Metal Sonic
Ramza
Richter
Riku
Shepard
Shovel Knight
Shulk
Velvet

As for yesterday's results, here's our current ranking of the Fodder Line:

1. Ocelot
2. The Boss
3. KOS-MOS
4. L-Block
5. GlaDOS
6. Master Chief
7. Dedede
8. Lightning
9. Bomberman
10. Lucina
11. Captain Toad
12. Wesker
13. Master Hand
14. Isaac (tie)
14. Nathan Drake (tie)

Finally, Day 8, which will be the Fodder tier, will be going up in the evening of December 28th (PT).
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Corrik posted...

15:17 to Paris

The Commuter

Corrik posted...

The Girl on the Train

I don't think any of those are actually about trains, though?
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

I'm on it!

And done!
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Well, this isn't the place to be come Christmas.
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

MetalmindStats posted...

Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer

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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Frosty the Snowman
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Hype for the official unveiling.
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

A major snub I somehow missed: Estelle Bright. Even leaving aside my opinion, she managed a 7-seed in the much more competitive CBX bracket, plus she's a major B8 favorite.
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

_SecretSquirrel posted...

It's a bit below FF6 (which is where I'm drawing the line between elite and upper-midcard), but it's still decently above Mario RPG and everything else, making it a statistical island on its own.

I definitely agree with this, yeah. I'm skeptical SM could seriously contend to beat top-tier Mario, Zelda, or FF, whereas SFF weirdness or Zelda antivoting or whatever else could have overrated SM a bit. Plus, if SM does convincingly beat SotN and Mario RPG, like I'm expecting, that would be a nice way to definitively prove its strength.

Also, SND, I don't see why CT couldn't beat Mario 64? It's not a sure thing, I'll concede, but 65.5% on FFX and a likely 63% on unrallied Melee in 2015 compares quite favorably to 57% on Twilight Princess and 61% on Skyrim (in a match where it likely fared a bit better than it would have naturally due to rallies). And yes, such a match isn't going to be necessarily all about the numbers, but you have to stop and notice them when they're skewed so strongly in one direction.
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

_SecretSquirrel posted...

The other was keeping Ocarina away from the likes of FF7, Chrono Trigger, and Pokemon until the finals. Those are the only three games I can see pulling the big upset, but I really think they have a better shot in the context of the contest finals with everything at stake, as opposed to bonus. I'm not really fond of taking games out of the bracket, especially CT which hasn't won a contest, and we always see those late rounds looking a little weird, so I'd rather use the second half of the bracket to crown a decisive number 2 game, and hope it can give Ocarina a close match in the finals.

To me, this was a really good choice. Quite simply, CT looked definitely ahead of Ocarina in their respective first three rounds of 2015, enough so that a finals match between the two would have at least been quite close. Personally, I think CT's moved in the wrong direction in comparison to Ocarina since then, but that only puts Ocarina as a slight favorite for me. And even if you think CT deserves to be an underdog against FF7, your bracketmaking approaches ideal circumstances for the winner of the bottom half to shine against Ocarina.

As for Mario RPG vs. Super Metroid, I still don't think that would be all that close. You say that the two games looked similar in 2015, but comparing bandwagon-less Mario RPG to Super Metroid, you get 55% on Oblivion vs. 49% on Majora's Mask. That makes me quite skeptical, but I suppose it would be difficult to devise a more interesting matchup for Super Metroid - maybe Mario 3, but even then, I'm not confident Super Metroid would be able to stand up to it.

Also, I disagree with Haste's notion that a 90s bracket should be made to ensure that something non-Squintendo reaches the semi-finals, considering how much weaker the main contenders are versus the Squintendo top 10. (Plus, Mega Man X is quasi-Nintendo anyways). One division is fine to me, but two whole divisions devoted to that end would be a big drag on the bracket. 2015 was different because it at least had a healthy amount of major non-Squintendo contenders on paper (Oblivion, RE4, MGS, MGS3, several other games to a lesser extent), whereas a 90s bracket would only have MMX, SotN, MGS, and maybe Sonic 2 / S3&K (though the former looked pedestrian in 2015).
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

I don't think anyone was trying to say 2B was properly seeded (strength-wise) as a 1-seed just because she exceeded all expectations. Honestly, she should have been a 2-seed (not in terms of strength, though).

Also, as lackluster as Ike's strength is, he's the only Fire Emblem character who's actually reasonably well-liked outside the Fire Emblem fanbase, which is probably why he's distinctly ahead of Lucina despite less popular games.
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

I somehow find it fitting that garbage topics took a holiday for Christmas.
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Santa Claus
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Frosty the Snowman
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Raka_Putra posted...

...why though? Isn't he super bad? Or did he get better in 4/U?

Yes, Bowser is not only actually good but more importantly (imo) very fun to play as in both 4 and especially Ultimate.
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Santa Claus
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Santa Claus
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

I'm not really concerned is participation is low right now - it's Christmas, after all!
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Frosty the Snowman
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Santa Claus
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Excellent winner! Really any of the top 10 would have been solid, but you all chose the best possible winner from there, so props!
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

'Twas the night before Christmas, when all through Board 8, only a bump was stirring.
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Twas the night before Christmas, and all through Board 8, only a bump was stirring.
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Hopefully this goes well for you.
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Dancer
Prancer
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
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Santa Claus
Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Leah is bestwife.

QFT.
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Donner
Krampus
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
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Krampus
Mrs. Claus
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer
The Ghost of Christmas Past
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Santa Claus
Frosty the Snowman
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

The Ghost of Christmas Past
Krampus
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Bowser 6
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

LeonhartFour posted...

Merry Christmas Eve

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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Link versus Cloud posted...

Yo, I missed most of this due to the holidays. If you still want to add in my rankings:

Yep, I'll do that when I get around to updating the spreadsheet, then. As Rule 4 says, "Youre always welcome to submit retroactive rankings if you missed one or more days".
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Santa Claus
Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Raka_Putra posted...

Yay, welcome! What finally pushed you to make an account?

On the very last day of the bracket entry period for CBX, I suddenly had the urge to create an account to enter my bracket.
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Bowser 5
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

The Current Nomination Tally:

6 nominations (1):

Link vs Shepard vs Draven (2013)

4 nominations (3):

Sonic vs Crono (2006c)
Super Smash Bros. Melee vs Undertale (2015)
Cloud vs Mario (2018)

3 nominations (12):

Mario vs Cloud (2002)
Mario vs Crono (2003)
Link vs Cloud (2003)
Halo vs StarCraft (2004g)
Frog vs Master Chief (2004c)
Magus vs Knuckles (2005c)
Link vs Cloud vs L-Block vs Snake (2007)
Chrono Trigger vs Final Fantasy X (2015)
Pokmon RBY vs Undertale (2015)
Super Mario RPG vs Metal Gear Solid 3 (2015)
Snake vs Zelda (2018)
Mario vs Samus (2018 Losers)

2 nominations (9):

StarCraft vs Wind Waker (2004g)
Ryu Hayabusa vs Jill Valentine (2004c)
Bowser vs Charizard (2010c)
Golden Sun vs San Andreas (2010 GotD)
Final Fantasy X vs Majora's Mask (2010 GotD)
Red vs. Blue vs Cloud vs. Sephiroth (2011)
Mario vs Vivi vs Ganondorf (2013)
Tifa vs Mega Man X (2018)
Zelda vs Mario (2018)

1 nomination (30):

Sonic vs Samus (2002)
Mario vs Crono (2002)
Squall vs Luigi (2003)
StarCraft vs Super Smash Bros. Melee (2004g)
Snake vs Frog (2004c)
Kuja vs Master Hand (2005v)
Kefka vs Tommy Vercetti (2005c)
Mario vs Samus (2005c)
Jill Valentine vs Princess Peach (2006c)
Cloud vs Link vs Sephiroth vs Snake (2006c)
Kirby vs Dante vs Sephiroth vs Sonic (2008)
God of War vs San Andreas vs Symphonia vs Oblivion (2009)
Crono vs Missingno. (2010c)
Snake vs Sephiroth (2010c)
Metal Gear Solid 2 vs Shadow of the Colossus (2010 GotD)
Super Smash Bros. Brawl vs Majora's Mask (2010 GotD)
Snake vs GlaDOS vs Kefka (2013)
Cloud vs Squirtle vs Leon Kennedy (2013)
Mega Man vs Zero vs Charizard (2013)
Super Metroid vs Majora's Mask (2015)
Bowser vs Gordon Freeman (2018)
Garrus Vakarian vs Ramza Beoulve (2018)
Amaterasu vs Draven (2018)
Geralt vs Bayonetta (2018)
Mega Man vs Pikachu (2018 Legends)
Alucard vs Bowser (2018)
Tifa vs Sephiroth (2018)
Samus vs Mario (2018 Legends)
Crono vs Mega Man (2018)
Cloud vs Zelda (2018)

This should be correct, please tell me if there's any mistakes!
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

Santa Claus
Mrs. Claus
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!

ALAKA posted...

2. Ness
17. Shadow

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7263-division-4-round-1-shadow-vs-ness

Unlikely that far apart.

Remember, all the characters within most of these tiers are at roughly similar levels of strength. It's not unheard of in that regard for those two to be so far apart, despite Ness only getting 53% on Shadow.
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Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser!
You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done!