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Toonstrack posted...

Criticism can be substantial, if it is towards one who can accept criticism.

Your criticism was youre having a melty. Is that what Im supposed to accept? What should I say to that? No u?

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

Ah, we've hit the theory-obsessed arc. You're really committed to the bit.

lol I make one little mention of Marx as a joke and now Im theory-obsessed.

Youre really bad at this.

Toonstrack posted...

I mean you're kinda just arguing an alternate reality to what everyone else is experiencing and describing. Not sure what else to call it

Let me know if you have anything to say with any substance.

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

This is why Mamdani's shitty wording is a bad thing, folks.

You're like a parody of what a terminally online leftist would be as described by people who aren't online leftists.

It appears that way to you because thats your only frame of reference for what leftist politics are like. Read a book sometime. Check out anything by this little content creator named Karl Marx. Youll love it.

DodogamaRayBrst posted...

Tbh, suggesting that people should be taxed based on race rather than simply wealth isn't just optics. It's outright vile.

Let me know when someone says that, cupcake.

emblem-man posted...

? You do know the policy is race neutral right and isn't actually going after white people specifically?
It's going after rich people, and those rich people might happen to live in neighborhoods that have more white people.

Removing "white" from the bolded title does nothing to water down the actual policy.

The rich is the only important part.

The reasons why the richer, whiter neighborhoods arent paying their share in taxes arent race neutral. Ignoring that element of his statement is whitewashing and that would be a huge error for someone running for NYC mayor. Maybe, just maybe, the guy who just won the primary and is in position to win the office knows more than you.

But IM the obtuse one. Oh brother

darkknight109 posted...

Sure it can! Here, watch this:

New York City's Democratic mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani has said he wants to "shift the tax burden" to "richer neighborhoods" if he secures election in November.

Done. Hey, that was easy!

Youre not separating them, youre just ignoring one of them. Very white of you.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

They already pulled their final trump card of anyone disagreeing is a white liberal so thats to be expected

literally a caricature of what a non-leftist believes a leftist to be down to the purity testing. I dont understand how so many fall into this trap

Youre the one doing the purity testing in this scenario, I hope you realize. You can run as a socialist, but dont say white! I wonder what the black and Latino voters in those other neighborhoods would think of your hedging.

Tmaster148 posted...

I'm not sure which is dumber. Mamdani saying this in the first place or the people rushing to defend the statement.

Whats dumb is giving a fuck.

Enclave posted...

I'd be more worried about moderates going after him for doing that, you know, statistically speaking.

Aint this the truth.

BakonBitz posted...

ModernPost's still making the error that people in this topic were offended by Mamdani's statement.

Baffling that you could still come to this conclusion. This has absolutely nothing to do with being offended. This has to do with giving an inch to people that will take a mile. Race cannot be separated from these issues. Whitewashing his politics, policing his tone, those are things that corrupt his message. Very common white liberal L.

DodogamaRayBrst posted...

I see that your intentional ignorance about the Ethan Klein case wasn't just a case of cringey fanboyism. It's your political identity.

Feel free to engage with any one of my points in that thread, because up to now you have not.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

You literally said this topic is so white which implies you think white people in this topic are personally offended by the statement. There is 0 other way to interpret your intention there.

Its mind boggling that you cant possibly see that this might not have been his best move. Its not on the level of Betos gun comments in Texas, but looking at scenarios like that should show how gaffes can fuck up a campaign even if theyre not wrong

That is not what I implied. I mean this thread is too fucking white because yall want to blush and wag your finger over this. This is nothing. Beatings will continue until morale improves. This would be a good opportunity to find your backbones.

DodogamaRayBrst posted...

Maybe he shouldn't have said whiter then.

"But what he meant is...!"

He said richer and whiter and Im sure he meant richer and whiter.

I may be a white hillbilly from Bumblefuck Georgia but even i know that if you precious daisies want to call yourselves leftists, if you want to put on the beret, then its time to lock the fuck in.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

I feel like him being an actual leftist politician has people overcorrecting to thinking he cant make mistakes. Someone with policies like this finding success in a high profile race is not common obviously

Nobody here is saying hes morally wrong for making the statement, just that its a very risky one and apparently that cant even be conceded. I want him to win, I just dont know how making a statement like this helps rn

Im not saying that youre saying its morally wrong, Im saying your politically wrong.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

If you think a single person in here is offended or thinks hes morally wrong for this statement youre not reading anything.

Like genuinely this is almost troll-esque if this is your actual response to the idea that maybe this wasnt the smartest move to make rn

I'm still not sure where this consensus that it isn't a smart thing to say is coming from. People care about race, especially minority voters in NYC, and it would be weird for a brown immigrant running for office to not mention it ever, especially when talking about different NYC neighborhoods and their socioeconomic demographics.

My point is, most of you aren't really tapped into the experience of the average brown or black NYC voter. Mamdani is. The media and politicians alike are already hanging on his every word, misrepresenting him and just straight up threatening him and lying about him every chance they get. If you think it matters one bit of difference whether he says "richer and whiter" or just "richer" then you need to get your fucking head in the game right now.

Man it's pretty fucking white in this thread, I know that.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

You dont see why the dude already under heavy fire for existing making this comment could be used against him?

Have you not noticed that literally everything he says gets reported this exact same way and do you not realize that they're going to keep doing it in perpetuity? You need to smarten up a little if you want to blush at every lie the media throws at Mamandi.

ssjevot posted...

Are we playing pretend that optics don't matter again? We going to pretend most people just vote rationally based on policy? That's not a winning strategy. This shit needs to stop.

Are we talking about the guy that just won the mayoral primary not even 4 days ago?

I do still hate Gavin Newsom but if he wants to be a thorn in Fox News' side then go for it. Fox News is probably one of the greatest threats to this country.

Both protagonists of the Prototype games are pretty unlikable. Good games but miserable main characters.

K181 posted...

Sure, but any competent politician should be able to not do such unforced errors.

I'm sorry, what is the error here?

LightHawKnight posted...

As far as I can tell, he is suing those who said out loud that they are streaming his content and to specifically take views away from him. Which breaks a part of fair use.

Thats my point. Ive been watching Seans steam, what I could find anyway, and have yet to find any evidence that he ever said that. Maybe he did, but the transformative clause is bullshit then. Glad we cleared that up, so we can stop saying that then.

It looks like to me that hes only suing people who were critical of him and who are much smaller creators who would feel more financial pain from defending themselves in court.

Seans stream of the content nuke video did have commentary and had lots of additional, transformative content. Why is Ethan suing him? Doesnt that undermine the idea that A. hes only suing people who claimed to maliciously steal views, and B. hes only suing people who didnt add any transformative content or commentary?

Kain_Highwind posted...

Didn't it come out that Jobst is a weirdo nazi person

wtf no

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

It's like they don't even get us, man.

A_Good_Boy posted...

That's a pretty cool proverb. How about in 4 years you tell it to your transhomies and see if they think it's just as impressive.

I'll be on the front line of any trans rights movement. Always have been. See you there.

Tmaster148 posted...

You spent the election shitting on Harris and downplaying the threat of Trump.

I most certainly did not. I have only ever expressed my sole intention of voting for Biden and then Harris in any presidential election from the moment Biden ran in 2020 and onward. Frankly, you don't know the first thing about me. I've been critical of Biden and Harris in a way that is consistent with my morals and my politics, but I have always been firm that I would support them in an election. I'm just not naive enough to think that an indeterminate but tiny contingent of lefties had their finger on the scale of the election in any real way.

Think about it for one second. What kind of an evil monster would Kamala Harris be if she knew there was any possibility that she would lose to Trump, ushering in a thousand year reich of darkness unless she capitulated to a left-wing voting bloc that was demanding of her concessions on Israel-Palestine, and STILL decided not to do it? If she thought it WOULD make a difference and win her the election, she WOULD capitulate. Not even I have such a low opinion of Harris' morals. I don't think she believed those votes would matter, she did her best to win given the disadvantaged situation she was in, and it failed. Ever thought about blaming the people who put her there?

Tmaster148 posted...

Whether or not you voted for Harris, you've helped control the narrative against Harris allowing Trump to seem like a more reasonable candidate to those who don't spend time researching the issues.

I helped? You flatter me. Helped by doing what? Saying what? Expressing my frustration at how liberals often seem to facilitate fascism over socialism? Which in this country often manifests in blaming progressives for electoral failures. Stop me if you've heard this one before.

Trying to appeal to people who don't spend time researching the issues is a total crap shoot for obvious reasons. Pretending that Kamala is perfect and I have no reservations at all about what kind of President she'll be is a kind of dishonesty that is also likely to repel people who don't spend time researching the issues. My practical outlook is just as likely to attract in that case, just as long as we're entertaining the idea that I have any influence over anyone's opinion at all.

A_Good_Boy posted...

So do we get politics or do we not get politics?

If I'm being honest I'd go with the latter, but that is just my opinion, no offense.

A_Good_Boy posted...

You can talk shit and bash your supposed allies to exert political pressure but when they do it to you it's different and the sky is literally falling?

The only shit talking I've engaged in with you is that you just don't know what you're talking about. It's nothing personal. I've never said the sky is falling. I have a plan for what I'm going to do, it just doesn't involve litigating the blame for a failed election against a fascist regime for 6 months and onward. I'm a pragmatist which is why I ultimately decided to not just vote for Harris but also support her openly leading up to the election and I plan on dealing with the political reality I'm faced with. I do want a left-Democratic coalition. The blame game does not serve that end.

Tmaster148 posted...

So where was the pressure on Trump?

I addressed this in my post, you need to read better. Trump doesn't need a leftist's vote. To him, that vote doesn't mean much. There is no point in telling Trump "we won't vote for you unless you promise to curb Israel's lust for the blood of innocents." Conservatives are never going to accept that offer. But a liberal, especially that wants to appeal to progressives, might. You pressure the areas that are most likely to move. These are not difficult concepts.

Tmaster148 posted...

Oh that's right, you guys

Tsk tsk. I voted for Harris, and I only ever tried to influence people to vote for Harris. My politics are as pure as the driven snow.

Tmaster148 posted...

were more focused on keeping Harris from winning that you were okay with a outright fascist winning.

So the idea that liberals are sometimes okay with fascist politics is just completely lost on people like you and Humble Novice and other political illiterates. It's okay. It's not a big deal. There are just political realities in this world that you are not equipped to deal with. Honestly, I do not think any lesser of you for it. Humble Novice yes, I do, because he irks me.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Oh well, let's hope in 4 years Dems will listen and they'll rescue Palestine.

I got another proverb for that one. Spit in one hand and wish in the other, see which fills up first.

Humble_Novice posted...

Then maybe start convincing more leftists to stop saying things like "scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds"?

Oh no, someone said the bad words.

Why don't you ever actually engage with the idea behind the proverb? It's because you aren't capable of such depth of thought.

A_Good_Boy posted...

They wanted Trump and they got Trump.

You simply do not understand politics. Politics is about exercising power. Voters put pressure on candidates during elections. That's how it works. If someone is seeking office and you want to move them on an issue, you exert whatever pressure you can to influence what they do. Maybe that's money, through lobbying, donations, whatever. Maybe that's "if you want me to vote for you then you need to do what I want." If you want Israel to stop their terror campaign of indiscriminate bombing and mass starvation, why bother with conservatives at all, the people who love indiscriminate anti-Arab mass violence the most? You put pressure on the center, to move in your direction. Harris could hold the center, try to cozy up to the right, or work with the left. How she navigates that dynamic is up to her (or most likely the people giving her money for her campaign). It's up to Harris to decide if that exchange is worth it to her. In a quite literal sense that is a major facet of her job. She is just as responsible for the outcomes as any single person who decides to cast a vote in the election. That's politics, baby.

My point is, they didn't "want Trump." They wanted what they wanted. I personally don't even think it mattered in the end. If every single lefty, tankie, commie, demsoc, socdem, Antifa revolutionary, and Black Panther in the entire country voted for Harris, and every person they somehow influenced to stay home or vote for Jill Stein instead voted for Harris, I still don't think the outcome would have been any different. Which is, apparently, exactly what Kamala Harris thought prior to. Blaming the election on those people, which as an aside isn't an organized voting bloc at all, is folly. Better to learn the real lesson, whatever that may be. I would rather not make the same mistakes again by focusing on current events, resisting the current regime, dealing with the political realities we are in. The blame game doesn't do any of that, especially because most of you don't even realize that a lot of people blame you, too.

Humble_Novice posted...

You will never convince people to forgive left-leaning voters who deliberately stayed at home or chose Jill Stein. Absolutely never.

"People"

You know, Im not, like, a psychopathic ax murderer, he said.

Give it time.

masterpug53 posted...

Though I give the movie a pass under the assumption that Heath Ledger's passing might have resulted in some missing scenes.

Pretty sure the filming was finished before Ledger died. It released in theaters only a few months after his death.

-Unowninator- posted...

This is EXACTLY how my sister feels. From what I've been told, she basically changed who she is just to date someone.

She didnt change her entire personality, she just put on some different clothes. And then she realized she didnt need to because Danny was willing to change for her, and theyre both excited to be together.

Sometimes yall cant see the forest for the trees.

DodogamaRayBrst posted...

This is an example of your contributions being nonsensical gibberish just for the sake of being anti-Ethan.

Just because you disagree with something doesnt mean its nonsensical. Dont be lazy.

Crayon_Lover posted...

How can he be lying when he uses clips from those content creators detailing all of their plans to steal views? I'm guessing that you haven't watched that video because that's what the point of the whole thing is.

I mean that he might be lying about why hes suing those individuals. Hes already vowed to financially ruin Denims weeks ago, and then had to ignominiously retract his other accusations against her. I dont think its a stretch to say that he probably has ulterior motives. I dont think he gives a fuck about fair use, something hes also being sued for violating. Why does nobody want to talk about that? Very suspicious.

Crayon_Lover posted...

Yes, it was all laid out in the video Ethan posted. Did you watch it?

https://youtu.be/3yAiuEyJF-I?si=P8FZgim4eIFgzahN

Did you even consider the possibility that he might have ulterior motives? Or that hes lying? Hes been known to do such things.

DodogamaRayBrst posted...

The point more so that your arguments are terrible and its obvious that your role in this thread is to argue against Klein even if you have no argument.

I dont think my arguments are terrible. If they were terrible, someone would refute them. That hasnt happened.

Humble_Novice posted...

Which is why we can't exactly count on you to be unbiased when it comes to this lawsuit.

Ive provided my reasoning. None of you can be trusted to divorce your opinions from your own biases either.

Humble_Novice posted...

I think we all know why ModernPost seems very invested in this conflict despite their denial.

Ive already explained why. I havent exactly hid the fact that I despise Ethan Klein. Its not some grand mystery.

Crayon_Lover posted...

Because he reacted to the content and it wasn't malicious intent?

Is that even true? Do you even know?

Crayon_Lover posted...

I thought it was because they explicitly said they were trying to take views away from Ethan and they made no attempt to even 'react' to the content.

So why not go after the bigger streamers who did that to a greater degree. I guarantee you far more people watched Asmongold stream his content than these other three combined

Humble_Novice posted...

Have I said anything offensive here?

Im just concerned for your health, thats all.

DodogamaRayBrst posted...

The idea that youre sexist for selecting all women of a sample size of three is beyond dmstupid.

Its just that there were a number of other big streamers who did the exact same thing as the three women he sued andtheyre not being sued.

I dont think its the fact that theyre women, I think its more likely that he picked them because theyre smaller streamers who dont have millions of dollars to fight this in court like xQc or Asmongold. Klein is also probably cynically courting their audience.

Im all for some good-natured heckling at a baseball game, but personalized insults like this have no place. Im glad the fan was banned from every stadium. I hope its permanent.

Rika_Furude posted...

Part of helping them is punishment. Part of prevention is punishment. Helping them is good but theres only downsides to not punishing them

Who is saying they shouldn't be punished?

We as a society really need to nip this image-manipulation-based-harassment-thing in the bud. The problem is only going to get worse as technology continues to improve.

Bishop9800 posted...

give it time, he'll be back on there.

Yep. Hows he going to keep up the grift without any social media presence. Some GOP operative will get to him, tell him to slim down a bit, then hell start up the whole confidence game again.

Not my favorite FF, but its a wonderful game for sure.

Zikten posted...

I saw him say what I explained. He looked into the camera and he said that he doesn't think she personally called CPS or that she told a fan to call them. He had to avoid HER suing HIM. I'm trying to see if I can remember where the clip was
But I know I saw it

He also vowed to financially ruin Denims at one point in retaliation. Thats what this is really all about. He doesnt give a fuck about fair use or any of that shit. Hes also being sued for doing the exact same thing hes going after them for. Ethan Klein is pure scum.

ai123 posted...

I don't use wearables myself because I find the micromanaging and obsessing about personal data distracting and unappealing.

That's why I don't like them. I'm enough of a hypochondriac already.

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

"I have no problem with X people, unless they do something that let's me know they are X, in which case Im totally validated in being a piece of shit to them".

Doesn't it matter what "X" is? Seems like an important variable.

She's embarrassed because Trump isn't anti-Semitic enough for her, not because she's come around on anything. One can be right for the wrong reason.