Lurker > Sheep007

Also I am against the always kill red policy but he's yet to do anything that proves it's a bad option in this game!

I'm not sure "you berate me as scum teammates" is as good a defence as you think, Plum.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Ben skimming over my posts feels weird.

I shall act as a temporary Ben substitute and address some more of your wall for your amusement: I'm a little concerned about Red, because he's had strong D1s lately and the vote wasn't great, but it's early days yet. As you said, decent target right now. I also like the point about BCT just disappearing after that single post. Not sure why, but I thought he'd said more than just that.

BCT, thoughts on MZero and Ben? And how much mafia have you been watching recently? I think you've commented a few times in recent postgames, so it's definitely curious that you'd say something that seems so oblivious.

I do, however, fail to see what you mean with Plum. I think I kinda did what you do with IGCD and assumed that if he's talking nonsense he's probably town, but I'm also not half as good at reading Plum in the first place. Mind pointing out where you feel the outside looking in stuff?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I more meant they are null and don't matter at this point.

I think we're saying very similar things to Ulti at this stage and it's interesting to me that he stands out as scummy, but not myself or MZero.

also as I was typing this I refreshed and noticed Death asked the same thing as me. Town points for Death. He did, however, disagree with my thoughts on Red, so that's a net neutral, I'm afraid.

Han coming in with the IGCD townread makes me feel reassured cause I'm gonna be real and say I had no idea what to make from what I've seen of him so far, aside from disagreeing with the majority of it. I advise anyone who is not used to IGCD to trust Han's judgement here, because he's either probably correct Town or scum who has enough ego to not get IGCD's alignment wrong.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I haven't had any thoughts on it because it hasn't felt relevant to me.

I think it's relevant now! Mull it over a tad.

PunishedBen posted...

I will say on quick re-reading page 2 I did not like Mzero's triple posts from #52-#54. Looked there like he was realizing one post a time they next post he needeed to make to make his thought process conclude believably so that he could move on from this "crush Ulti" issue he had trapped himself in. Anyone have thoughts on these posts?

Honestly, I kinda townread MZero based on the Ulti triplepost. The dude lurked like hell at times last game as scum and didn't post if it was unnecessary. I think as scum he just lets it sit and assumes nobody'll ask rather than constructing an obvious thought process, whereas it feels like he's having more fun this game and just posting what comes to mind.

Regardless of this minor disagreement, I look forward to destroying the poor scumteam with you, Ben. Just post your notes in our mason chat and I'll keep track of em x

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Ulti willing to confirm both Ben and Lea town over what they have posted is asinine

What're your thoughts on MZero and myself also feeling good about them, though? If it differs from your view of Ulti, why might that be?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Its less about what I think Scum lea would do and more about what I expect a town lea not to do, and I don't expect a town lea to completely throw their role away like she does in her first post.

I agree, actually. I don't see much of a reason for Lea to reveal her actual role so early. I also don't see much of a reason for scum Lea to claim that so early. Scum never wants to lock itself into a claim quickly (especially one that looks so bad), they don't want to draw a ton of attention to themselves, and they don't want to generate a ton of discussion. We can't rule out her being scum, but to me the simplest and most likely explanation is that it was just a town play to kick the day into gear. I will be surprised if Lea is what she claimed, so I agree with you there!

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Its only Ben that I expect to change his behavior so drastically due to a lack of Chris.

I don't agree, but I see where you're coming from. We can reasonably expect Ben to act differently based on Chris being in the game regardless of alignment. Let's put Ben on hold for now, though.

What do you think the scum reasoning for Lea claiming on that first post is? Let's also put aside whether you believe her claim or not - what does she gain from it?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

The difference in behavior is solely because Chris is not in this game.

To what extent would you apply this to others, or is it mostly Ben's behaviour you expect to change based on Chris' presence?

htaeD posted...

Quite a leap to see my post about me feeling something is off about Bens 1st post and assume I want to lynch Ben already.
Almost like you are putting words in my mouth here.

I didn't get to see Bens play as closely as you did last game either. Though I did take a quick look to compare the two Bens and you are at least right in that Bens a bit different here. He was a lot more fluffy and jokey in the last game's start and here its less so. Though now I want to look back even further because I swear Ben always started off jokey before now.

Man if I say something's off with someone in my first post it usually means I do wanna lynch them >_>

Ben typically does start off as jokey and it's rare that I feel great about him until later in D1 for that reason. Hell, I'm pretty sure I've voted him D1 in every game we've both been in since Mafia came back. It's not the jokes or dislike of fluff that make me wanna do that normally, but the recognition that Ben's not putting out productive content. Ben and Lea both started off this game with very strong intent to generate pro-town content and we've gotten to the point where we're actually discussing the game within the first few pages in part because of it. Scum does not want that. What's the incentive for them to start the game the way they did as scum?

Obellisk posted...

I will take what you said under advisement. I see the inconsistencies in play you are referring to in both Ben and Lea, but it's too early for me to accept as just town. Ben is a good enough player to adjust himself. Lea in general I just have trouble trusting.

I agree and I'm willing to listen to any good arguments even if I disagree with the conclusions! But right now, I'm more interested in the people who're shading them.

Also, regardless of whether I believe her claim or not, Lea took over 400 posts to make a single game-related message last time out as scum. This time she did something to generate real discussion within the first damn post. That goes against everything I witnessed from her last D1.

Obellisk posted...

morning sheep.

igcds brain walked into this game echoing exactly where my brain wants to go off the cuff. I however, am being a bit more open minded this game compared to last.

And death, one of the few people I feel I can read town quite well has not made me doubt that feeling yet.

I gather you feel differently though?

IGCD has been echoing the exact opposite for me in that I disagree with everything that comes out of his mouth. I want to know how he came to a conclusion where he scumreads three players I've townread so far because I'm not seeing it.

And I also feel the opposite to you about Death! That first post twigged my Deathsense quite badly. IGCD often varies wildly from me in reads and I'm not so worried about him because of that alone, but Death opening to such a horrid (and noncommital, at that) take on Ben makes my gut scream. I don't know if the feeling Ben is different this game comes solely from being on his team last game and feeling he's different, but no chance we're even considering lynching him today and it's alarming that Death of all people thinks otherwise.

To clarify my thoughts on Ben: within the first ten posts dude just fuckin walks in and starts bossing the place around. Last game he just went with the flow, occasionally tried to be a bit clever, and ended up getting walked over himself. Like, I don't understand how people who watched the last game intently come to the conclusion he's scum again. If this game had Chris in I'd already be at the point where we just murder anyone who tries to kill him because no way there's such a dramatic difference so soon. As it is, it's possible that the absence of Chrisfear gave him a shot in the arm, but I think the more likely explanation is that Ben is just TownBen who wants to fuck scum up after getting curbstomped last time out.

masterplum posted...

Oh no, I think Mzero is scum again.

This is really contrived logic for 100 posts in. I dont think town Mzero attempts to make these sort of far flung connections as town so early.

Bad take. Plum's probably Town.

Heya SBell

Why're IGCD and Death on the town list for you?

htaeD posted...

Also I didn't say anything about the vote being early?
I just dont agree with it since Mzero is giving me a good feeling right now.

Sure, but MZero didn't do anything to generate a good feeling before Ulti showed up, and Ulti has already unvoted. He doesn't appear to be currently trying to attack MZero either (after some posts from MZero that admittedly give me good vibes too), so I find it curious that you say you don't agree with something Ulti doesn't appear to agree on either right now.

htaeD posted...

Oh and since Mzero reacted, I can say that Sheeps reaction to Mzero's point is not the one I expected.
I expected more of an explanation.

I just wanted to come into the game voting MZero tbh, I didn't read far into the rest of the post. Given recent games I think it'd be interesting to figure out the dude's alignment sometime before the PoE lynches start and I think Ulti's vote has gotten us close to that stage already. He's way more relaxed than in last game and it feels to me like he actually wants to be playing the game, compared to the recent scum games where he just kinda wanted to not die for as long as possible.

23 minutes after a claim is not a rushed reaction. The amount of good players who are apparently not seeing the same Ben I am is worrying.

What about Ulti voting MZero early do you not agree with, Death?

MZero posted...

but if you won't believe I'm town until I flip, why am I getting town points without flipping??

Good point! Would assuming you're town but lynching you anyway be a good compromise?

Ben, I feel I've seen a kindred spirit in you in the few posts of this game so far. Do you have an inexorable urge to demolish a scum team yourself after what happened last game, perchance?

UltimaterializerX posted...

I will believe hes town when I actually see him flip town.

Ulti opening with the exact same first post I wanted to make. Town points to Ulti. Also town points to MZero for the response!

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Oh hey this started, whoops.

Uh... hi? Is this what you guys do on Day 1?

I'd mostly say yes, but I think a lot's happened for a usual D1 so far! What do you make of Lea claiming?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Ok so early indications are i don't like Lea, Ben or Ulti.

Can you give me some explanations on these, please? All of them would be nice, but in particular I'm led to understand that you don't believe Lea's claim? Why, exactly, beyond "she's too good to do this as town"?

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Is there a particular as of yet unused flavour that you'd love to see in a game one day?

I have quite a lot of reflections on my own game, but first of all, massive ggs to Chris. The BP shot was dumb luck, everything else was skill.

I'm very disappointed with my own play, for obvious reasons. I think I was both a bit arrogant and not confident enough in my own play in different ways: I was bigging myself up and thought I could get away without heavy bussing (which had been been my historic and successful strategy as scum, many years ago), while also not actually being comfortable making my typical type of posts. It was made worse by the fact I could feel myself making every single mistake that Chris and others pointed out, but couldn't think of a way to get around them while still posting with my own voice. Aside from the Ben one, cause that was just a blunder. I definitely need to sort my scum game out cause that was frankly embarrassing. I think I could have survived longer if Chris wasn't there, and Chris obviously orbitally nuked me, which won't happen in most games. That said... I also should not be a bad enough player that being scum means Chris can easily clock me D1 with little resistance and I pretty much doom multiple teammates.

Okay, little rant about myself over. I don't think anyone else actually played particularly badly! Chang definitely could have done better and Ben didn't have a great game, but that was caused by me flailing out and grabbing his ankle as I drowned and a Chris-shaped nuke, so no massive fault of his own. I will also begrudge IGCD for saving the SK N1.

I think Arti played pretty well for someone subbing in with such an awkward claim, and same with Ctes. Lea survived so long with a helping hand from Chris, but she did a great job recovering from the first two days, so major props there. Same for Isquen, who played a solid first scum game before getting caught out by a scan, and I think Death had a really strong game, and was probably the scariest town player in the midgame in terms of analysis. Chris is obviously the MVP, but HB is second, for catching out two scum and more generally looking like the towniest town that ever towned. If anyone else had counterclaimed me D1 I might have had more confidence to fight them on it, but that shook me more than it shoulda.

I think the setup could have been very swingy given how the roles pan out, especially if Chris had killed anyone at all before Scum died. That said, I can't imagine anyone balancing it much better. Han ran this impeccably, and the concept itself was really creative. Major props and thanks for putting this together:)

I said after I died I was gonna take a mafia break, to figure out how the fuck to play scum or something. However, I have decided that I am antsy and a month's break is more than enough. Next scum game I shall blunder and get myself killed D2 instead, and that's a promise.

I really don't associate Kanno with games. Great composer, but she's done way more anime than video games. Surely has to be Koji Kondo from this for me, most of these have a few bangers and great soundtracks in their repertoire but it's hard to compete with him.

Corrik7 posted...

It might seem weird to you, but shitty people can be on any part of the spectrum. Bigots and pieces of shit don't just hang out in one area of the spectrum. If you are going to contribute every person who is hateful as being on the right, then yeah sure, you have created your skew yourself.

It's like that liberal who threw bacon at Islamic churches and everyone was like this makes her on the right, when she was clearly a liberal. Sometimes liberals don't align 100% to all your beliefs and can be just shitty people. Being a racist isn't a right ideology or a left one. It's a piece of shit ideology.

I'm very aware that liberals can be shitty people and I'm not a liberal myself, although I will say that in my delightful experiences liberals are far less likely to be overt pieces of shit! They're normally more into condescension and dismissive ignorance than outward hate.

I think some of my point was lost in communication: calling him left-wing or right-wing from the shootings is based on a nebulous definition that's different for everyone, and I think it's a bit puzzling to say he's left-wing based on the evidence we have. While I would call him Alt-right, it's perhaps another fuzzy term. I'd be interested to know what your definition is, though, if it doesn't involve his brand of white supremacy, inceldom and misogyny, and 4chan culture war mentality. I also think regardless of my opinions on liberals, anyone who wants to ban interracial sex and enslave women doesn't quite fit under the modern definition, since we now broadly consider people who aren't white dudes to be human and have the associated rights.

Corrik7 posted...

He followed the left, but because he was also an incel and falls into "manosphere" people lop him in with the right. The fact the alt-right rallied around his actions and manifesto is irrelevant.

...the alt-right rallied around his manifesto because it aligned with their beliefs. He was literally against interracial marriage and wanted women to be enslaved. I think throwing around left-right like it means anything here is reductive when it's mostly social "issues" rather than economic issues that motivated him, but arguing that he's left wing is bizarre to me regardless.

Corrik7 posted...

See that likely lists someone like Eliot Rodgers as on the right, despite he was a follower of the Young Turks which is left extremism.

Thanks for the source. Which leads to my point after. This leaves out gun violence that is not mass shooting and that would typically lean left if demographics hold strong.

His point was leftists tend to not commit gun violence as much as others even if they have guns. Questionable and I would love to see a source on that.

Are we discussing violence here or just mass shootings? Do you want to root out just mass shootings but all gun violence under 3 dead in a single event is okay?

Two things, here. One, the shootings are regarding "political terrorism". I do think it's a bit simplistic to class all mass shootings as political alone, but the Rodgers shootings were, in his own terms, because the dude didn't like that women were having sex with people that weren't him. I think it's a stretch to call that left-wing extremism based on him following a specific left-wing group.

Second, this is also explicitly around mass shootings. The US is a massive country and shootings are incredibly common, so the study chose to focus on mass shootings. You are going to struggle to find anything which explicitly looks at every gun-related homicide in the country and categorises the motivation of each of them.

I adore Celeste. It's possibly my favourite game of the 2010s. I honestly think most people who got the platinum didn't cheat! It's amazing at ramping up the difficulty slowly but surely, and if you're finishing every level of the game you'll get almost all the achievements naturally - I don't know many people who carried on playing after 7A who didn't finish it all. It's a very difficult game, but not in the 80s platformer way of being tedious and punishing, nor is it anything to do with questionable design or jank controls. It's really hard to blame the game for yourself being bad, and the game doesn't try to make you feel bad or punish you for dying a lot, and that gives it the license to put out levels that look like something a kid made in Mario Maker when trying to get their level to stay at 0% completion. It's also in literally every itchio charity bundle ever (and Humble for like $5) and can run on a potato, plus it's on most consoles for $20. This is not a sales pitch I promise.

Also, the physics engine is so much fun, and the game is amazing for speedrunning because of that, the lack of punishing you for mistakes, the phenomenal movement and the amazing soundtrack. I'll chill now.

9 is definitely the hardest level. I spent almost two hours on the damn comb room (if you played it, you know the one I mean), which was more than the very final room and the end of 7C combined.

I'm considering going fully in for the grind on the golden strawberries. I'm currently sitting at a total of 196 berries. I dunno if I'll ever manage 3 through 8B (although I've somehow done 5B) and I applaud anyone who has the time and dedication to manage Farewell, but I'm very happy having finished up both the A and C sides for good.

I never thought I'd see us qualify for a World Cup in my life. Euro 2016 was one of the few bright spots in a horrible few years for me and I still don't know if that beats this. Almost seventy fucking years since we got to a World Cup. We were dragged through that game by a bloke from my hometown and my club. Couldn't be prouder and I just wish my dad could see it. Cymru am byth.

I'm absolutely shitting it for tonight. Not been back to Wales for a few years and I'm missing it badly for this one, Cardiff is gonna be absolutely bonkers. Looking forward to crying in a few hours regardless of the result.

I hate being the villain against the plucky little team with the inspiring story, especially if that team is probably better than us. I'd really have preferred playing Scotland, and I think Scotland are probably the weaker team too.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

The VERDICT is a different thing. The fact that the victim triumphed over the abuser will give confidence to others to go forward. If they aren't going forward because of this trial, it may be because they don't have evidence and they now see how it works. But they still shouldn't be afraid to speak up like Johnny did.

I don't have many thoughts on the verdict itself, because I frankly don't wanna make myself miserable by looking deeply enough to get an incredibly accurate verdict on an abuse case. That said... I think it's very naive to think this will make abuse victims more likely to speak up. The only thing that most people know about this trial was the absolute farce that was the news coverage of it. The vast majority of people and media are not poring over the evidence to find out what the precise truth of an abuse case. They are finding a narrative and running with it for engagement: whether that popular narrative is correct or incorrect is almost irrelevant in its wider meaning.

if a celebrity claims to have been abused and it is as messy as most abusive relationships are, they must now be incredibly aware that the whole world will swarm on it. Regardless of whether Heard was the abuser or not (and to be clear, I wouldn't look particularly kindly on either before or after this, and there's also something to be said for the garbage that is celebrity and Hollywood culture which led to this shitshow), there is absolutely no guarantee that the target of the most ire is not going to be the abused the next time something like this comes up. The biggest impact here was in the court of public opinion. If a celebrity is genuinely the victim of abuse in future but doesn't have an overwhelming amount of evidence or it is messy as is the case in abusive relationships, they'd probably think harder about reporting it. The sheer amount of gross coverage around the trial (particularly the body language "experts" and misogynistic under and overtones in some circles) would make anyone second guess whether it's worth it. The systems for dealing with domestic abuse are fundamentally fucked and one verdict, whether accurate or not, won't change that.

MoogleKupo141 posted...

Lechonk is normal type
Smolive is grass/normal
Pawmi is the electric one

Not watched the video yet, but how are these names not from crappy 4chan fakemon leaks that everyone brushes off the possibility of within minutes?

Mac Arrowny posted...

lots of post-Madoka magical girl shows are good imo. Hugtto Precure probably the best of them? There's also Heartcatch Precure, which ended after Madoka started, but started before Madoka, so I guess that doesn't count. Prisma Ilya's pretty good too. Demon Girl Next Door is great and currently airing, even

I do mostly mean more plot focused/darker stuff (I think I was spoiled because Utena was my introduction to the genre as a teen and I seriously cannot recommend it enough to anyone else who may read this), but I might check out Demon Girl Next Door! I honestly categorised Precure as pre-Madoka in my brain since I remember older series of it being out in the 00s, but I remember I enjoyed Hugtto. Never got round to any of the others after it since my free time kinda died but I'll check a newer one out.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Bluray/home video release is what you want optimally. The movie versions look the best but it's obviously been condensed for film. Home release has everything and also looks better.

As for the movies, 1 and 2 are just the recap movies. Movie 3 Rebellion is indeed the actual sequel.

Blu-ray or DVD isn't an option for me rn and I think I'm just on TV release, but I guess I'll just run through the show normally and check out Rebellion afterwards. I'm not too bothered with a lot of visual stuff, I'm just there for the art rather than image quality and my laptop screen isn't giving me high-res either way.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Which version of Madoka are you watching?

Asking since you mention the visuals specifically and they got a huge pass for the home release versus the TV airing, and then again for the movie versions. Especially the backgrounds.

Every version is gorgeous, of course.

I feel like I'm a lot more tolerable of Madoka ripoffs than most, but none of them leave an impact that stands the test of time at all. Yuki Yuna stands out as the exception, but other than that...Magical Girl Raising Project is probably the only one I think about at all? And that's a distant 3rd.

The TV airing I think, I've actually never watched the others or the movies although I think I'd been told to watch Rebellion on a few occasions. I'm always wary with anime movies because it's often an effort to figure out what's recap or a soft reboot or canon if you've been out of the loop for a few years *cough* Eva *cough*. I'll probably watch up to episode 3 of the TV release regardless, but would another version be particularly worthwhile?

UshiromiyaEva posted...

I thought the Odd Taxi ending was stupendous. It totally makes the series, an all time standout amongst anime endings as far as I'm concerned.

And the first half of WEP was DAMN good, AotY material pretty consistently until it wasn't.

I seem to think the opposite of a lot of people in Odd Taxi - I think the slowness and the weirdness of the start made me think it was gonna become something it was never trying to be, and I was more interested in the alternative than what it actually did.

Agreed on WEP though. Gorgeous first episode in particular and a great first half, before jumping off a cliff towards the end. This conversation about it actually made me wanna go see some good magical girl shows. I've gone to rewatch the first few episodes of Utena (which is nuts and everyone should watch even if it's pretty old now) and Madoka (which is still utterly beautiful despite coming out a decade ago and even better than I remembered. It's made me wanna go finish the Monogatari series for that direction alone). Just about my only issue is Madoka ensured everything in the genre after it would pale in comparison. The only post-Madoka ones I remember being decent are Yuuki Yuuna and WEP (which have their... issues), and Revue Starlight (yes, it is a magical girl show. No, I will not elaborate.)

Finally got round to watching Odd Taxi after SMFAS. It's a good show, and it has the most engaging beginning I've seen in anime for a long time. The characters are interesting, the atmosphere is weird, in a good way. The art and sound design are mostly good, albeit with some minor gripes anyone that's watched the show will know about, and the plot, pacing and especially dialogue is solid. It just kinda feels like there was something missing? I don't know how else to put it, but it feels like a good show that's a puzzle piece or a bit of creative flair away from being something genuinely special.

(Non-major spoilers)

Maybe it's that it's always a balance between being totally surreal and very grounded. It doesn't quite lean into the utter absurdity I felt it might have been going into after the first episode, nor does it turn into a genuinely tense thriller, mystery, or even an in-depth character study, all of which it felt like it could have done at some point. Not to shit on the show because it's still very good, but I think it could have been something more.

Gripes aside, the OP and ED fuckin slap.

(Major spoilers)

I wrote the above just before watching episode 12 (which I thought was the last before starting) and 13, and I feel all that even stronger than before. I think most of the last two episodes were satisfying and I liked the animal reveal. It felt clever without being forced or pretentious, adequately foreshadowed but not too obvious. But then the rest of the final episode feels so lacking in closure to me, and the very ending was kinda... safe? I don't know how else to put it. If I had tried to guess the ending plot points beat by beat aside from the murderer, I feel like I would have nailed it, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it felt simultaneously too happy and not happy. Most of the main characters appear happier and the yakuza are less of a problem, but literally nothing else is resolved or even really discussed. I'm kinda frustrated because there's almost everything here for this to be one of my favourite anime and I was waiting for about ten episodes for that one thing that makes it click with me, but it never came. As is, I have really mixed feelings, and I enjoyed it, but less than I could have.

Also, the way the Dodo dude was handled irritated me. I liked his focus episode and the episodes leading up to it were really strong, which made me really hopefully especially considering how much I struggle with the starts of shows. Unfortunately, they decided to just... kinda do nothing with him? He sometimes shows up to create conflict and tension, but he might as well be a husk with no personality for most of it. It felt pretty obvious he was a red herring given he was also a black cat, but as a lover of mystery media, it irritates me that he was set up in such a way and receives almost nothing else for the rest of the show? There's not even anything approaching a payoff at the end of the show which makes it all the more frustrating. He's a plot device with almost no agency or impact, not a character. When you have an ensemble cast and use about 1/10 of your screentime on a character with no personality, it might be worth just rewriting stuff. It's frustrating because even though the episode was good, it hinders the overall story, which could have sorely used that extra runtime. Almost every other character in the story exemplifies his themes in some other way to the point that he wasn't necessary. It just feels like some focused script editing could have made this a masterpiece.

You can probably tell from typing up all of that how badly I wanted to love this show, especially after what I thought was a strong beginning. Everything looked to be set up and just... kinda fell flat. Based on the buildup, I thought what it aimed to do was cleverer or more creative than in actuality. It's like I came in late to watch it play archery, and I saw it shoot two bullseyes to start. When I waited for it to shoot the third arrow, it shrugged and showed me that it already dropped the first one in its own foot.

This probably seemed very negative and I still enjoyed this show a lot! I just can't help but wonder what it could have been with some changes.

Congratulations! Hope your day went well!

Those lil Lego dudes are very cute

I got it before any vaxxes but I had a really high fever and pretty much constant fatigue, aching and headache. Literally no smell or taste except salt, although I could sense hot spice through the burning (I ended up eating plain carbs and veg loaded with chillis, sriracha and salt every meal for about a week, to save money and time). It was very surreal, not just the dulled taste you get with illness but a complete and utter absence of the sense. I could taste stuff again after the week I had proper symptoms, but certain things (particularly sweet and sour tastes) were still awful for over a year (I had it in October/November 2020, and only started being able to eat fruits and chocolate again the last few months). Mint was the worst one, and it took throwing up several times while brushing my teeth before I clocked that it was probably a covid thing and I found one with baking soda instead. I also had a cough, though it wasn't awful and I had minimal breathing difficulties, and the first symptom I got was a constant running nose. I think I had it worse than most people since I'm on a lot of medication and very physically unfit (although underweight rather than overweight, which I think was the bigger risk factor), and got it just before I was due to have my first vaccine, but even then I never felt like I was gonna die or anything.

LeonhartFour posted...

also choices "mattering" or not doesn't bother me much because I realize there's an inherent limitation to how much choices actually can matter in most games

to me I just enjoy making the choice I would actually make, as well as seeing the unique dialogue each choice provides, more than the actual consequences of that choice

This is a really interesting perspective to me, because there's not much that irritates me more than choices that appear genuinely relevant which have no impact when the game advertises that your choices matter.

I don't really care if my choices matter in Mario games or Pokemon dialogue (don't get me wrong, it'd be nice if they could and the latter might be better for it, but having funny flavour text is good enough and it's not something you go into them expecting). If something presents itself as a serious story or world driven RPG where my choices matter, though, I'm gonna be a little peeved if there's not a good reason for my choice to have zero impact on the world. Like, I'd rather a game just straight up not give me the illusion of agency if I have no say in it. The only time I'll excuse this is when it's very thematically relevant, or when the game is emotionally manipulating me through forcing me into a choice because dammit I'm a sucker for that.

ExThaNemesis posted...

neither is inherently sexist and viewing media through these lenses is so fuckin' stupid

Gonna piggyback on this a bit and say I think viewing media through a gendered/feminist lens is incredibly valuable. We'd get way better media (and media criticism) if more people did it well cause god knows most popular media doesn't have a bloody clue how to treat gender. But that would require actually thinking about something and trying to understand it. Going "[thing] happens in this media so it's sexist/not sexist!" misses the point at best, and is a shameless and lazy grift at worst.

I think an above post kinda sums it up. Most things aren't inherently sexist, but there's very good reasons to be uncomfortable with what MOM conveys and how it conveys it - even if a similar basic idea can be communicated in a far less sexist way.

I feel like Red may not like horror movies much.

Fortunately, I also don't like horror movies much, so I am taking his writeups as how I'd feel about them if I had seen any bar the Conjuring, Train to Busan, Get Out and IT. I will definitely participate in the next non-horror ranking. Probably.

htaeD posted...

Two of anything hasnt happened in... how long?

There were two millers two games ago!

Corrik7 posted...

Indeed is a curious word. It means you read my post first before coming to that conclusion. Weird

I did. I did indeed, some would say.

...my first instinct is indeed two trackers because I have a strong townread on HB and I don't see any reason for Scum to counter there.

If you want something bigger we can maybe do an orchestral rendition calling me Town in response to Plum's little song from earlier? Like, a duet?

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Sheep a question. Are you being 100% truthful about your current claim? If say someone was I don't know random name Luke Skywalker and they had the ability to detect certain things would you be able to pass that. You have until han unidles to answer

Yep.

ViolentAbacus posted...

That's what I am wondering. After reading the topic it seemed Chris had just asked about the inconsistency, and then went on a tirade against them. I would really like to know, just so that I learn what other people look for. Especially since Ulti is doing the same thing above, after Chris's whole "don't claim" thing (which I'm skeptical about).

Right now I'm heavily suspect of Lea, but that's based on most of the same stuff HB has said. She has attacked anyone who appeared to be an easy target/vulnerable for giving their opinions on the game - for altering reasons (except for one person). Not only that, but from what I can tell, hasn't really done anything except complain how others are playing the game. Which is fine, but just as useless (in my eyes). Like HB said it seems more to stop people from thinking.

My second reason for Lea is very flimsy since she admitted it was a fake claim (I believe), but I feel like she did the fake princess claim to get people scared to throw votes on her just for the "it may be true" aspect.

I'm also suspect of Plum, but that's mainly for being in association of Lea (everytime I see Plum do something, Lea appears & supports them).

Ben, I'm iffy about. The one game I remember with him, I feel as though he was much more focused as scum so I could believe he's town.

I like this post a lot. Basically just goes for three of my highest scumreads rn, and I'm interested to have a look at these Plum/Lea interactions. Town points for Abacus.