Lurker > Sheep007

masterplum posted...

I kinda want to lynch death.

I feel like his immediate belief of a an odd claim either means

1. Death knows sheep is town and therfore didn't immediately recognize the claim was weird
2. Death knows sheep is scum because they are teammates

Death is scum either way

I really want to trust other players and think you're Town but I cannot for the life of me understand how you read Death's posts over the last two topics and think he's Scum if you're actually trying to solve the bloody game.

PunishedBen posted...

You really didn't need to claim that sheep. I would have saved you ):

I can save myself. I'm sorry, Ben, but you aren't my knight in shining armour this time.

htaeD posted...

I did lean town slightly on Sheep... I dont know why you being scum would make him town tho

I don't want to speak for Plum, but I did kinda spend the first half of the day wanting to lynch him!

Obellisk posted...

only thing I'm confident about is that I'm not getting lynched today frankly. Yes I have some good town reads but I'd honestly feel better if some of you would try to effing lynch me... I almost feel like scum is afraid to get into that tussle seeing how it did NOT work out for them last game.

also, I hate you for claiming (but I'll get over it)

Scum should be afraid of you tbh. You were great last game, and it was you getting caught up with the scum that tussled with you that made you look bad in the first place.

htaeD posted...

Well to borrow a tactic from Chris

Sheep your response to all these questions about your claim timing?

I've had a shit game so far by my standards and I understand why a bunch of people wanna lynch me. The way things were going I was gonna have to claim eventually and I didn't want to give scum an easy option. Right now there's sod all else going on and I want to get some activity going on others.

Hbthebattle posted...

I like how sheep says he's trusting Chris and then claims, something Chris said explicitly not to do even if you were power

What can I say, I value my life more than Chris does, clearly.

masterplum posted...

I don't buy it at all, but not sure I want to lynch a tracker claim

Also super convenient Sheep wants to lynch the only other person in consideration

Hey, I'm perfectly willing to put other people in consideration! Who else're you thinking, Plum?

I've had a bunch of irl stuff pop up, apologies for my prolonged absence. Thoughts on the latter half of topic 2 incoming.

I'm a little paranoid about Ben saying I have him right. It feels like he's buddying up to me cause he knows we look like two of the better votes and I'm very hesitant to vote someone I think is Town even when it's my head on the line. Like, I know myself I've not played well this game, and I find it odd that I'm that high up Ben's Townlist. Also, Death being scummier than average is... something, as well as Sultan. Not a great look.

SBell feels pretty confident this game and I like it. Much more reminiscent of the end of last game when he stopped being targeted by Scum, so I'm leaning towards him being Town.

Death's analysis keeps being excellent and if he's scum I'm beyond impressed by the improvement. Under no circumstances kill him. Ever.

Lea's vote on me is shite. I don't even remember her expressing an opinion on me, frankly, and I'm still irritated after her absence of any content in topic one.

Chris' lynch list involving Scare? Not a huge fan of that, considering I feel like he should be able to read Scare well enough, but there we are. If we're picking from his choices, Ben is always the correct one, but I'm usually hesitant to let Chris dictate the lynch to such an extent because I know he's good enough as Scum to control a whole game. That said... I honestly do think Chris is Town. This is, in his own words, Chris trying to bring his Mafia Champs game. I've not been as responsive as he wants so better to kill me than have my uncertainty floating around - he says himself he doesn't really give a shit about killing unproductive town for info, and I'm fairly sure he thinks Ben is more likely scum. That said, he's noticed that I'm underperforming, which is a more than fair statement. My scum-radar has barely been firing on anyone, he's tried to kick my arse into gear all game, but decided it wasn't happening. I can't blame him, but I'm gonna prove that wrong. Fuck it. Trusting Chris, we're catching scum today.

##Vote: Ben

Cassian Andor, Tracker, at your service.

If I wanted Sultan to claim I'd be voting him. I outlined he was a town lean two posts prior.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Sheep I am going to be blunt. If I have any sort of killing power on my person that allows me to target you tonight I am going to use it the second day is over at this juncture. I may or may not have this action, but wow.

I fail to see how the posts you highlighted relate to this. My finding you forcing claims scary regardless of your alignment has no relationship to a shitpost about wanting Sultan to claim and you know it.

Obellisk posted...

Additional thoughts to put on the page:

red is town
corrik is town

don't lynch them today.

How'd you arrive at Red being Town from ~10 posts?

While myself and Chris have been on the topic I think this is most relevant now, and I didn't specifically ask earlier. Isquen, why did you put me in your "scummy" list? I'm nosy and a little self-centered so I'd love to know exactly where your opinion comes from. All the rest of them would be nice too! But I'm mostly interested in me. And hell, let's take your one on Plum while we're here.

Obellisk posted...

I can usually sort him out before a claim. and while I agree with you here I'm just not sold based on what I've seen. would I lynch him today? definitely not. But he's on my watch list till I've confirmed it for myself.

We could always skip the being mildly suspicious of him and just get a claim?

I can't say I've played with JC much, but I'm re-reading the start of this topic and wondered with his little Scare interaction: what's his play typically like?

Obellisk posted...

Sultan, as Ben stated, he town clears himself. I know his play pretty well. I am not convinced Sultan is town this game, yet. could it be he's riding the wave of victory still from last game and it's influencing his posts? perhaps. well see.

I think Sultan's alignment becomes most clear when he claims, so I do kinda agree with the clearing himself thing. That said, I think his abrasiveness this game is more typical of Town Sultan, whereas his Scum self hid a little more.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Apologies. I meant the first post of this topic when I asked that question.

Putting myself in your shoes, I get the concern. I'd be rightfully worried if Chang or someone turned around and started trying to lynch Scare. That said, I'm gonna vote if a particular post catches my eye. Sometimes you're gonna think that vote is wrong, and sometimes my instinct is gonna be wrong. That's mafia for ya.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Hm. Very well. I expect better of you and I am concerned for your alignment because of it but there is plenty of time to find your footing and either confirm my suspicions or assuage them.

What in particular made you unvote plum at the top of your post without explanation if it was the thing that has stood out the most to you? Why did you say with certainty that he wasn't being lynched? You are a formidable and trusted player. Do you feel for some reason less confident in your ability to push back against others?

You're both right that if I had a strong scumread on him I'd have stuck about. As it is, it's gut that I'm shaky on, coupled with one really, really damn bad vote. My initial vote was primarily based on the crappy Kirby vote from him (post #330 last topic, if you're interested, and the interaction starts from the top of that page). As I believe I said at the time, I think it's a lazy read of Kirby's post at best, but my first instinct was that it's scum jumping on after the Lopen post.

I have multiple players who I would consider good at reading Plum saying he's Town, and Kirby himself thinks that vote was in character, so I think my instinct was likely wrong. I'd rather listen to strong reads from players whose abilities I trust and try adjust my own rather than falling into potential confirmation bias. If I had stronger feelings on Plum than I do, or more come up in future, I'd adjust my read and push accordingly, but as it is I'd rather take my vote off to signal my intentions.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Do you think it tracks that a town Ben who stated that he was waiting for me to suspect him like I often do day one as the reason why he hasn't engaged with me more would stumble over himself when the stated expected suspicion comes? If so, why do you believe that follows?

I do enjoy suspecting Ben early I confess, but his reaction has struck me as off. Most of the time I will interact and be able to let go of my thoughts but here it only makes me want to grip them tighter to me.

Notably i feel as if your response to me is very... measured. Is that truly all you have to say in the case of Ben right now? What in this game is particularly of issue to you at present? Other than an admitted tired man in isquen getting lazy and hitting post before checking his work.

Frankly, I don't think Ben is great under pressure. He usually jumps all over the place a lot before landing on something that makes everyone go "oh yeah he's Town". I think his reaction isn't great, but nothing about it makes me wanna go "fuck fuck kill it with fire" either. We're in a position where I feel like your questioning of Ben is very pro-town and I'm content to let it flow as it will unless something that makes me wanna full-on murder him or say he's Town comes up.

I'll admit I'm struggling a fair bit to find scum reads this game - I feel decent about the most active players, and nobody has caught my eye so badly as to make me wanna murder them. I think the only post all game that made me think "yo wtf is up with that" was Plum's vote - probably not helped by my being asleep during highest activity rn, since I get a lot of my reads from interaction. I'm happy with my little collection of townreads so far, and I'm hoping I'll be able to build some strong scumreads when we get more info towards the end of the day.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Hello sheep. I voted for you for a bit and while I raise my eyebrow that apparently every person I question about plum seems to back down as if struck, I will now simply ask for your thoughts on what Ben had to say when I prodded him.

I think he stumbled over himself a fair bit and got caught up in semantics, but I don't think I can take much from that other than he felt he was under pressure from you. I haven't thought Ben was highly Town once in early D1 since mafia restarted, and that's not changed this game, but I don't take particular issue with any of what he said.

Corrik7 posted...

I could care less about the game right now because it is still literally in the joke phase. The reason it is in the joke phase because Mr. I AM PREPARING FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP SO OBVIOUSLY I COULDNT HAVE ROLLED SCUM scumbucket Chris has dictated the game will be in the joke phase. A serious game by now would have pushed significantly at someone for scum reasons or putted claims of some sort to draw out information to make an educated guess. You are just under 18 hours left in this day, and nothing of note has happened.

You have IGCD sitting here thinking he is actually doing something of not by trying to lynch someone because they are town.

Chris is egging it on from the background while trying to also direct a power role into town as well from the background. Chris is actually doing shit this game besides making the game have nothing of note in it. Har Har everyone make me 38 lists of 57 people of 16 alignments with 0.00000% information besides bullshit so I can sit here and say vibe 389337 times like I am a 12 year old on Tik Tok.

Har Har.

Thats why there is no point to do anything. The game is so filled with nothing so far that the only lynch being tried to be pushed right now is by someone saying the person they are pushing is town.

Sad.

Maybe meltdown is too dramatic. I think rant covered it better, but I do love my hyperbole.

I'm willing to admit I might well be wrong about Plum. I still don't feel great about him, but he's definitely not being lynched today, and I'd rather my vote not be wasted.

##Unvote

I like the little Corrik meltdown after some needling from IGCD. Makes me feel good about both of them, probably more so Corrik. It feels like a strange rant to go on as scum, even for Corrik, although I can imagine it in fear of a Town Chris. I don't have Han to lean on for my solid IGCD read this game, but he seems to have done several IGCD things overnight. While I normally feel those as null, these particular shenanigans are giving me a gut Town feeling, though I can't place why. Gonna stick them both as slight town leans for now, cause hell if I'm ever gonna figure out their alignments D1.

I feel good about Chris early in a game, for once? It's disturbing me slightly. Just about everything he's done in this topic has been pro-town, and his lines of questioning are getting answers without the potentially pro-scum claim-forcing which often makes me wary. But I am now paranoid that we've got a Scum Chris who just wants to grab the game by the neck early and thrash us. I've resolved to pray it is indeed Town Chris and re-evaluate tomorrow.

Something that also particularly caught my eye while catching up was the Isquen/Lea/HB interaction. I like Lea's point in a vacuum well enough. Isquen having no thought process at all behind half the reads kinda sucks, and I'm puzzled as to why a few players such as Scare, JC, MZero and SBell are entirely absent from the list, but a large chunk of others are shoved on there with no reasoning before or after. Hell, even why some are put in the inactive pile and others are ignored. Abacus sticks out there as a weird one, possibly because I'd expect Isquen to remember those he's actually played with more.

I do, however, also like HB's criticism of Lea a bit more than hers of Isquen. Even more Town points for HB. I did a little bit of wall on the whole thing myself, before realising that HB was just making the same point from a different angle upon a bleary reread of page 4. What I caught onto initially was that she voted Isquen but not Kirby - her explanation was satisfactory, but the particular Isquen vote feels off, even if I agree his post sucked.

Also, I'm a bit weirded out that I haven't remembered an SBell post yet all game. I can understand why he was missing from Isquen's list. I might want a talk with him before deadline, although I'm not thinking it's alignment indicative as of now given I've noticed him well enough as both Town and Scum in the past.

SBell, what're your thoughts on Lea, Kirby and Sultan?

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Curiously in the post in response to Mzero he doesn't say Mzero is town for having a read this early, but after Ben says Mzero is town Sheep responds with this. If you had the thought someone was town, why wouldn't you say it initially? Hm. Go ahead and respond to this please, Sheep.

Oh and then Sheep does the most Sheep like unvote ever. Literally less than an hour after... I don't know if I love it or hate it. Like... death questions him and he is like 'nope!" which does line up with his curiosity about red's inkling but man that was quick. I'll file that away for later and still want the Mzero point answered.

It was more the surprise at MZero giving a clear read on Chang so soon that made me respond to Ben, and "woah, MZero has a solid read!" probably didn't occur to me as a worthwhile post by itself.

Also, re: Death stuff, I was waiting for stuff irl and staring at my phone, wanted something to happen, realised that timezones meant it was unlikely, and decided to just say shit rather than ignore it when he responded. I tried to brainstorm a case even if I didn't believe it to encourage biters, but his posts indicated he's too much of a precious innocent lil gem and I failed.

Speaking of timezones, I'm a bit messed up on sleep right now and gonna head to bed for today, but I'm gonna come from Turkey time and use the adrenaline rush of deadline to swing to Alaska or some shit. Force my eyes open if you must.

Kirby321 posted...

I mean, I'm gonna be honest, I don't have any strong scum reads one way or the other. So although you are my top read so far, it's not a strong one, and I'm willing to be convinced if a scummier candidate pops up. But so far, I'm just not seeing anything that strikes me as overly scummy, including Plum's behavior. And that's why I'm concerned about you pushing for his lynch.

I'm willing to give Plum the benefit of the doubt for not reading my entire wall posts. I was miffed that he just dismissed everything I said as fluff, and his justification for it by using my posts from last game is faulty. But his opinion isn't a minority one. Lea and Lopen also seemed to share Plum's thoughts that my posts were inconclusive and felt like filler. I, of course, disagree, but clearly there must've been some miscommunication on my end that a non-negligible number of players believed I was just fluffing it up.

But I also don't recall Plum being this aggressive last game until he was cornered as scum. He is being lightly suspected this game, but his play this game (or I guess more specifically how he's interacting with me) feels way too on the offensive compared to his passive, playing-it-safe scum playstyle from last game. "No Lynch" was a silly idea last game, but it's safe and non-committal. Plum didn't have to point the finger at anyone, just propose an idea that may have seemed logical given the wacky mechanics of that game. Plum this game is committed to believing I'm scum and letting everyone know that. It feels like two completely different sides of the same coin.

I get where you're coming from that it might be a communication problem - I think it's partially that people just don't like walls. One problem in addition, though, is that I don't feel good about any of the people who did. Lea has definitely set off some red flags, possibly because I don't think she posted anything game-related other than a princess claim before page 8. I also don't particularly like Lopen so far, but as with Plum I tend to just think he's Scum in a lot of games, probably even more often. And Lopen just lurches at anything that he doesn't like the look of sometimes, so jumping on that doesn't feel out of character regardless of alignment. But it's not just Plum who look dodgy on that wagon, imo.

Also, just a bit of game theory because I can't resist: I'm personally of the opinion that if you're gonna push someone, push them hard. I think Plum should be voted a hell of a lot more, despite not being entirely certain on him, because if he's Town it'll probably come out with more information, and if he isn't we need more pressure to uncover him. Especially so early, with enough decent players that I can trust a few of them will be Town and will try and steer me right if they think I'm barking up the wrong tree.

Hell, you partially agree with me on this one, since you're voting me while admitting you don't particularly think I'm scum. And you called JC out on the D1 info-gathering. How're we gonna get much more info without proactive play?

I like Chang a lot more after the interactions with Plum.

Kirby321 posted...

I don't like your interactions with Plum. I don't believe you're making the right call here.

He's my top scumread so far, even after the Chang business. The vote stays until that changes. I'm not stuck on Plum or anything, so if you have a better option for me, I'm all ears.

Or you could convince me Plum is Town. It's early on, none of this is set in stone!

I don't feel like Plum was more passive last game, particularly in the first half of D1. One of the main things I remember as an observer was Plum trying repeatedly to convince everyone why bloody NL of all things was a good call. I also don't like him completely ignoring that you did provide several decent reads in your walls, and repeatedly asserting that you didn't. It feels like he saw a wall, realised that some of it was "idk one way or another" and overreached for an argument based on those parts.

You have a vote for a reason!

Hbthebattle posted...

really dont like that Lopen has jumped on every single new train thats popped up

Lopen started this train. Plum's the one who hopped on after Lopen called Kirby scum.

Also idk if you saw it earlier, but I asked why Plum looked bad from the Isquen interaction, if you remember?

Yeah screw it I'm not letting that fly

##Vote: Plum

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Princess is a banned role and Han would not put it in a game. I don't think he would use it even if it wasn't. Can we please stop seriously considering that claim?

The Kirby post(s) are odd but the contents are fine, even if I don't particularly agree with them? Like, they have actually thoughts in them. Did everyone else just stop reading when they saw a long post?

Hbthebattle posted...

It's mostly the latter, but its possible that the former is also true. I generally don't have much confidence in my early day 1 reads though, so I couldn't say for sure. I guess plum would look the worst from that, though, if I go down that logic to its conclusion

Why would Plum specifically look worst?

Hbthebattle posted...

Frankly, I felt uncomfortable about the train/dogpile on Isquen. His posts were mostly null alignment to me, but seeing a bunch of people pile on a relatively new player on day 1 makes me feel a little bit... skeevy, I guess. I'm always suspicious of that sort of thing.

Plus I put him as top of the good vibes so I'm obliged to defend him

Do you specifically think that some of the players who jumped on Isquen have a decent chance of being scum here, or is it more of a general discomfort with jumping on newer players?

ViolentAbacus posted...

Who is Obellisk? I know an alt/another account of someone, but who on the player list?

Obellisk is SBell. Assuming someone hasn't already answered this since I started typing this without refreshing and cannot do so without ruining my quotes.

Also I think your hair is beautiful and I would love some pointers, Lea, but I like you for your Mafia abilities, not your looks. Right now I'm concerned that we're seeing only the latter, and it's giving me an increasing urge to abolish the monarchy.

ViolentAbacus posted...

Ah yes, the scummons - also called having to get up at 7:30AM Central Time for work.

I have played twice total. Twice with Sultan, once was town and once I can't remember, but I think was town. They always seems to ask a bunch of questions, and and can get a tad angry sounding.

Once was with Chang. He is playing differently this time, but they also have more experience than previously. And as for Lea's "Chang may be suspicious", I'm not sure how much more you want/need when it's the morning, and has only been 12 hours of posts. Especially from me, who is honestly not very analytical.

Right now, I'm taking Chris's lead.

Sheep seems to be putting a lot of pressure, but as of right now I feel that's a good thing & is mostly trying to gauged how people respond.

I was thinking the fact that you responded to a question almost instantly yet only said a single word unprompted was the scummon part. Idk your timezone and I don't like to take too much of a read from activity, but that sorta lurking is a tad curious. I appreciate critical analysis is hard, especially early in the game and day, but trying to just piece ideas together from interactions for yourself is handy, and it's difficult to expect people to engage with you from one word.

If you're Town, I'd really rather you know you can think for yourself rather than being stuck with no clue in endgame. Or potentially following Scum Chris to our demise (something that we all live in fear of).

I mean, hell, I hate to praise someone for thinking good of me, but you managed an original thought on me at the end of this post!

...boy, was that a scummon.

I appreciate the quick response! Although your lurking has been noted.

How much have you played with Sultan before? What is "seeming like Sultan" exactly?

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

How does this confim me town?

Too late. Your chance has gone. If only you'd voted, we would have had three confirmed town rather than two, and we could sail into the sunset, hand in hand.

masterplum posted...

So sheep, to clarify you are thinking that if I was town I wouldn't be thinking about how I looked compared to previous games?

I'm thinking that town doesn't typically try and cover their arse with a cheeky "oh but I pointed out the similarities so I can't be scum tee-hee" wifom.

ViolentAbacus posted...

This.

Is this (literally) all you have to say? I know we're early in the game, but I was hoping for a little beyond one word and a disappearance. Maybe we need a bit of prompting.

What are your thoughts on Chang and Sultan?

I don't think that's a Pokemon

masterplum posted...

Spoilers: I know that is how I felt in kingmaker. As I was posting that I noticed it and chuckled because of it

Also spoilers: I wouldn't do it as scum because I noticed it.

I would like it known that post 45 is bad. Plum is one of the few players I wouldn't be voting instantly after seeing something that sets me off like this so early, cause I think that's just how he is with overthinking? Gonna kinda trust Ulti's read and not try to instantly murder him, since I always think Plum is scum, but this really stood out.

htaeD posted...

Is that a legitimate beef you have with me, sheep?

Nope. I feel good about you and wanted to fish for a reaction to see if I could make myself feel better. And to make you a lil paranoid if you're scum. Also, I kinda wanted someone else to hop on to decide my first target for me. I barely have any scumreads rn, just a couple strong townreads and a couple weaker ones. But it felt wrong not voting early after not getting to a single time last game. I missed my beautiful little double hash.

You came in very strong. More good analysis in the first post of this morning than an entire D1 from you as scum. And I agreed with practically all of it (the ultimate TownDeath tell, for the uninitiated), so I'm happy to just call you a solid townread for now.

##Unvote

We are not killing Scare or Death today please and thank you x

PunishedBen posted...

Mzero actually town for giving us a read on day 1

Town points to Ben for mirroring my thoughts

MZero posted...

chang has never been scum so I can't say I know what a scum chang looks like

but he seems like his town self to me

Agreed. I think this reminds me of Chris and Chang's interactions in D1 of FE Mafia.

I don't think the vote on Chris itself is great from Sultan, but it makes me feel good about him. I don't really expect Scum to go for Chris early unless their name rhymes with Borrik. It feels a bit of a carryover from last game where he's getting irritated because he thinks people are dumb, which seemed like a town tell from him.

Then again, I have underestimated Scum Sultan before. We need more evidence.

Sultan, vote Death. It will confirm you Town.

##Vote: Death

okay I'm really sorry Death but you weren't fast enough so JC has taken your confirmed town slot for this game

Chaeix posted...

JC, would you say your gut on Kirby is more along the lines of pinging that something is weird, or that something is scummy? I feel there's a distinct difference, and Kirby triggered the first a lot but avoided the second entirely in the single game I played with him.

Just pinged something weird for the most part but I don't see why it can't necessarily be both? Hard to know when I don't know him at all (I have in my notes that he could just be enthusiastically analytical) but I appreciate the input

It definitely can be both, I shoulda been saying there can be a distinct difference. Enthusiastically analytical about covers my read of Kirby's character here but I mostly wanted to figure which angle you were coming from.

I'm also wondering what you think of the Chang/Lopen/Chris interaction of the last page or so? I'd like to hear about that from Death too when he pops up, since it's coming up to his time.

Hbthebattle posted...

i have failed the vibe check and must now perish

I don't think this comes in on post #10 from a fairly new player after being called Scum by Chris, whether on vibes or not.

Also, I noticed that Red had some thoughts against Death. I would like to hear those at the earliest opportunity, because I consider myself to be the Death Whisperer and have gotten no such negative feelings yet.

If y'all try and kill Scare I will kill you harder. This is Town Scare. Nobody listened when I said this before I died last game, so I will repeat: this is Town Scare. Do Not Touch.

Light Side
SBell
MZero
Kirby
Red
Scare

Dark Side
Lopen
Ulti
JC
HB
Isquen

Kirby's solitary post which I remember also jumped out to me on initial read. It's very over-exaggerated in response to not very much, but that's in keeping with last game which gives me nice feelings. I assume that's just how he plays and given he was third party we might have to do a little poking, but I'm sure we can work something out.

JC, would you say your gut on Kirby is more along the lines of pinging that something is weird, or that something is scummy? I feel there's a distinct difference, and Kirby triggered the first a lot but avoided the second entirely in the single game I played with him.

Tidus, if you've got exams and might have to replace out by default it's probably best to leave this one be and just be in as a replace. There'll be plenty more games in the future and we aren't short of players.

Also, I'm not too big on a lot of unique names but Winry is good and I don't even like FMA.

Lopen posted...

I think the problem is I grossly underestimated my ability to roleplay and thought I was going to instantly die day 2 and didn't want to bus someone who imo had a better chance

Agreed, I think you also underestimated (and simultaneously overestimated) everyone else still alive. Overestimated their ability to read you, and underestimated their ability to read Plum. Like we saw with Scare, making a terrible lynch choice wasn't gonna get you killed by itself.

Finally done with adult responsibility. In.

I think I agree that Scum was a little too passive once you were up. None of you ever looked great, but Lopen absolutely eviscerating Plum or even Han a bit earlier could have gone a long way. Once the claims happened it was basically down to MZero to close it out, and without swinging the Scare mislynch before, that was always an uphill battle.

Regardless, playing that from within, it must have been nerve-wracking and much more uncertain for all the kings. It's hard to emphasise enough how solid they were given their lack of info in terms of votals, and how terrifying Lopen roleplaying a supervillain is.
I will endeavour to townclear SBell as soon as possible in every game, from now on. Before and after his confirm was night and day.

Kirby Town MVP

and also SBell and IGCD and Sultan y'all knocked it out of the park. Just Town in general tbh, because four days straight of hitting scum after the disastrous first two was really hard.

I have more thoughts and am on mobile rn so will save them for later but man, why did I have to die on my first night? I had a whole speech planned out for my candidacy and a complex gladiatorial deathmatch and everything.

These ones are all much better. I like the original designs more, but a lot of that is probably nostalgia, and some of these are decent in their own right. Except Gardevoir. I don't even understand what they're going for aside from just... a bigger dress. Ampharos with hair is hilarious, and Pidgeot and Gallade are both great. I don't mind Beedrill, but it's a little overboard with the spikes as per usual. Less pointless feeling than the pseudos, though.

Ampharos > Gallade > Pidgeot > Beedrill > Aggron > Alakazam > Gengar >> Gardevoir

barreldragon88 posted...

Wonder why they didn't use Platinum as the base

Much harder to script and add assets to, and there's a lot less modding tools available in comparison to Fire Red. If you look at stuff like Drayano's Gen 4 and 5 mods (which are probably the highest quality using those gens as bases), they pretty much just use what's already in the base game but rebalanced and with massive QoL changes, because there's not many great tools available. Compare that to Radical Red, which adds dynamax, every move and ability (and a few more), megas, every Pokemon... Most of that stuff just isn't available for Gen 4 and likely won't be for another few years.

I despise all of these, design-wise. The only one which makes an attempt at an interesting idea is Salamence, so it gets my vote by default despite being hideous. I know Megas are intended to take a "more is more" approach, but Garchomp and Tyranitar especially look like they just gave a kid Pokemon models and glue and told them whatever they stuck on would be the new look.

Salamence > Metagross > Tyranitar > Garchomp

Azumarill only getting third yesterday is an absolute travesty.

It really is an excellent game. My main complaint is it's a little too stacked against you after the most recent updates, with a few mechanics I'm not fond of. Like, giving trainers overpowered legendary forms entirely unavailable to you and making dice rolls predetermined feels a little cheap. It's more a boss rush than anything, in all honesty.
Still, it's a brilliant balance between Kaizo hacks and stuff like Renegade Platinum, which is basically vanilla Pokemon but with reasonable difficulty as opposed to kids game difficulty. I think the latter is a bit more my style and has better balancing, but Radical Red is such an impressive game. It's a shame that the best Pokmon games of the last few years haven't even been made by Gamefreak.

Trade evolutions are basically by an evolutionary stone, now. There's documentation for all changes like that on a Google Doc if you wanna look for it, although I'm not entirely sure I'm good to link it here.

The final was really even about 3/4 of the way through, but Antarctica pulled away at the end. Great result! I started watching it because of this contest - I think Xeybozn unintentionally convinced me to give it a try after I noticed every other show they saved was one that I loved. I think it tends to be one of my second or third priority series, since I'm usually focused on keeping KyoAni shows going, but it'd always get enough votes to outlast them and I'd come back to voting it before the end (usually split with something else, admittedly). And this time it got to the finals, while I don't think I traded for it more than once! Shows how it's really grown in popularity over the years, while other cute girls shows like Non Non Biyori and Girls' Last Tour have dropped off a lot after high rankings in the past.

Next year I'll hopefully be back to human sleeping times and be able to reliably save more than once a round. I'm already wondering what I'm gonna back: I think I'll give Hibike and Tatami a break, just so I don't make things awkward again for Koala and Lefty in the cases I'm unavailable. Maybe Revue Starlight? Or maybe it's time for Madoka to have a proper run again.

Regardless, I'm gonna go finally watch Odd Taxi now.

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