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I trust Red, but I do not trust Plum (or his slot) whatsoever. The only thing stopping me from scumreading Chris instead of being mixed on him is that he's apparently very busy given the time of year and stuff, and that Terra was on the Reg lynch and had a few non-staged looking arguments with him (although he's certainly not incapable of that as scum). Chris himself has done nothing to show he's town and the only game of his I know where he was anything approaching this was his most recent scum game.

Corrik is probably not scum but I'm not 100% sure. Don't really like this development.

##Unvote til someone comes forward with more info.
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Ashethan posted...

I think it's dangerous to assume the anonymous vote was one-use. I mean it could be, but until it flips I think we should proceed as if it weren't.

That's fair, but frankly I think and thought both are scum regardless. Scum aren't going to choose which one of theirs to kill via anonymous vote because the other will just be killed instantly upon flip anyway.
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An anonymous scum vote is really strong and would likely be one-shot. And yes, I was skimming through what happened while I was asleep. I'll read back through properly when I have the time this evening.
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Ryujii and Taiga
Holo and Kraft
Han and Leia
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Neablis posted...

Sheep why did you really hop off confirmed scum in this situation?

I thought Ashe and Death were potential scum and the fact that they both voted DYL very quickly along with Scare (who I trust) being on Plum and very vocal about a likely scum save happening convinced me.

Also Neab throwing shade at me for not being on the DYL lynch at EoD... I was pushing him the entire day and only switched onto my other scumread at the last second. I'm still rather convinced that Plum is scum, too. Do you really think yesterday was a scum/scum/scum lynch? Even the most incompetent scum team can avoid that.
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Also Death's role is really damn cool.
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Plum is scum. Didn't even vote for DYL when it was obvious the day was between them, and he was still around. Probably a good thing Corrik switched though regardless since that extra kill woulda been pretty big for scum. Corrik is likely town.

##Vote: Plum
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MetalmindStats posted...

Welp, there goes the only two characters I cared about at all, as the first two out of this batch.

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Mac Arrowny posted...

But did you understand what the themes were? What is it trying to present?

Don't become reliant on/just follow someone else, be yourself, move on from people when you have to and don't hold yourself back to please others. Honestly fairly generic themes. I think it was great for the directing alone (as per usual for Kyoani) and some of the more arthousey touches. It was also a nice small-scale conflict which is pretty rare in most media. Although that does make it a bit of a struggle to get into and I'd agree it's less entertaining than Hibike itself. Plus the necks were wrong.
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Ugh oh man I like the people on the plum lynch way more than the DYL one but the DYL slot going is probably more helpful overall

##Unvote ##Vote: Plum
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What're votals
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Hbthebattle posted...

Remember how Chris said not to lynch someone off the Ed lynch

I would agree that DYL is a better lynch than Plum partially for this reason, but don't hold Chris up on a pedestal. He can be wrong and can be scum.
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masterplum posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Sheep007 posted...

masterplum posted...

So shad obviously is implying he has a scan on me at this point.

There are two options here.

1. Shad is scum who is trying to imply a scan to try to save himself
2. Shad is town and is either leaping to conclusions or got bussed or something.

I dont think 1 makes very much sense here. He is playing it too hard.

But then again he isnt playing it hard enough if he thinks he actuslly has a scan. It feels like the Mike Birbiglia skit. Im right here bear, come and get me

##unvote

Might just have to wait for his next move

This is the post that people think is one of the most individually damning iirc. Plum basically saying he thinks Shad has a scan on him (without too much to make him think that way, imo). This is classic scum paranoia, and obviously the assumption someone is trying to claim a guilty scan on you isn't really the first line of thinking for town in most situations where it isn't blatant (which this wouldn't be).

Come on Plum. Explain this.

It wasnt. This was after he pressed me like a thousand times and claimed phantom theif

But the leap from being pressed in that way to them softing a guilty scan on you seems completely bizzare to me
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masterplum posted...

The most convenient opinion ever

I've been expressing it for a few hours now, before any train formed on you. This is a convenient vote, too.
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I feel more confident with a DYL lynch so will be staying there for now but if I have to pick from anyone else I'm glad it's Plum.
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masterplum posted...

So shad obviously is implying he has a scan on me at this point.

There are two options here.

1. Shad is scum who is trying to imply a scan to try to save himself
2. Shad is town and is either leaping to conclusions or got bussed or something.

I dont think 1 makes very much sense here. He is playing it too hard.

But then again he isnt playing it hard enough if he thinks he actuslly has a scan. It feels like the Mike Birbiglia skit. Im right here bear, come and get me

##unvote

Might just have to wait for his next move

This is the post that people think is one of the most individually damning iirc. Plum basically saying he thinks Shad has a scan on him (without too much to make him think that way, imo). This is classic scum paranoia, and obviously the assumption someone is trying to claim a guilty scan on you isn't really the first line of thinking for town in most situations where it isn't blatant (which this wouldn't be).
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Do I now have to build a case on plum in 15 mins? I really wanted to clear up DYL's slot today but eh

Can we get votals?
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well there you go
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I'd love an extension but I think the game was planned around having a double night D3 for Christmas and that might screw with that.
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masterplum posted...

Sheep007 posted...

masterplum posted...

Ok, back for a bit. Whats the case on DYL? He just hasnt been around?

Also did a bad vote on Ed, suspected me vocally then followed me onto Ed anyway, had a few crappy sounding posts, and everyone else just generally looks a lot better to me. He has absolutely nothing at all that looks good (which is often my measure for finding scum).

Scare was apparently confirmed because he voted after Anonymous in the tiebreaker and wasn't modkilled iirc

Why would this confirm Scare? He voted the same way as the anonymous vote.

Because if he was scum he would've known the anonymous vote was going in and could've been modkilled for it, or wouldn't have needed to incriminate himself by voting Ed in the first place.
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There's probably others who've been around little enough to have possibly requested replaces. Terra was around at deadline yesterday yet still requested a replace.
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masterplum posted...

It was announced we are looking for 2 replacements?

In the signups.
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masterplum posted...

Ok, back for a bit. Whats the case on DYL? He just hasnt been around?

Also did a bad vote on Ed, suspected me vocally then followed me onto Ed anyway, had a few crappy sounding posts, and everyone else just generally looks a lot better to me. He has absolutely nothing at all that looks good (which is often my measure for finding scum).

Scare was apparently confirmed because he voted after Anonymous in the tiebreaker and wasn't modkilled iirc
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Shaduln posted...

Sorry just had a much longer nap than expected.

No one is thinking about moving to plum it looks like?

I obviously would if it was to save myself but if it's between lynching Plum and DYL I would definitely pick lynching DYL
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Blaming D1 is kinda meh. It's one of my favourite days when it goes well especially around EoD, and it's often got the most potential info to look back on because the good and active players (and everyone) is still alive and able to give their opinions without as many past biases.
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Johnbobb posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Johnbobb posted...

I'd rather hear some arguments for and against sheep while he's here

wish DYL would show up; B8 specials on people that aren't around to defend themselves end up helping scum 99 times out of 100

This would not be a special. This would be someone not turning up to defend themselves and fairly getting lynched. Refusing to lynch someone just because they aren't around just sets a bad precedent and allows scum to idle.

would you still be saying though if you weren't one of the ones on the chopping block?

For starters, I like to be around enough for inactivity to not come into play unless I'm almost completely checked out of a game mentally. Plus I try to be around for EoDs unless they're at completely unreasonable times for me, especially if I'm one of the potential lynches.
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Gareth presumably hasn't been replaced because nobody is willing to fill the slot. It's probably a scum one, since my PoE and experience with newer scum would indicate he's just bailed. His replacement needs to claim first thing if there is one at all.

MZero is currently fine with me as it fits with my town interpretation of him. As usual, would love more contribution from him.
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Johnbobb posted...

I'd rather hear some arguments for and against sheep while he's here

wish DYL would show up; B8 specials on people that aren't around to defend themselves end up helping scum 99 times out of 100

This would not be a special. This would be someone not turning up to defend themselves and fairly getting lynched. Refusing to lynch someone just because they aren't around just sets a bad precedent and allows scum to idle.
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DYL has posted about 10 times max today by my count. Did absolutely nothing of note D1 except for his vote and a few posts on me. Calls out inactives D1 a few times while essentially being one himself. Not even enough to build a proper case on, to be frank. I definitely feel like he was more active as town as well although activity is going to be a bit wonky for most people this time of year.
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I would ask what everyone else thinks of John after all that but I feel like the only one here to answer right now is John himself .-.
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1 hour left til EoD, I'm fairly sure.
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John... I know you feel you're onto something there but I just think you're completely wrong with most of your points, probably wrong on Red's alignment regardless and going down an utterly fruitless road especially with how late in the day it is.

On the plus side it does make me think you're town so that's nice.
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Corrik posted...

Has dyl claimed

No

Even if Plum won't claim, we can at least lynch DYL today or make him claim. Then we'll probably be able to make Plum claim tomorrow and with more backing given most people on the DYL lynch are also suspicious of him.
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Johnbobb posted...

did you just have a stroke

He managed to write another sentence and hit post message so I'll assume he's fine
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Johnbobb posted...

what I'm saying is that Zero wasn't hunting for 3rd parties. He pointed out that we shouldn't make assumptions about the anonymous vote, which, sure, fair

but red immediately took it as hunting for a 3rd party, which seems weirdly defensive in combination with his insistence that there's absolutely not a SK

I don't agree with your point but I see where you're coming from
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Johnbobb posted...

red13n posted...

MZero11 posted...

Are we even positive the anonymous vote was from scum

Could have been *gasp* third party

I don't think anyone is cleared by it

Only scum has reason to hunt for third party.

red again trying to hide talk of a 3rd party

That's a generic null comment on 3rd parties. The meta is that there's usually no discussion of them until it's obvious one exists, to stop pointless and potentially misleading discussions.
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Hbthebattle posted...

1. Sheep - See my earliest post. Suspected by Han, attempted to gaslight Han into voting Eaed, Attempted to lie low throughout day 1 by not suspecting anyone except ed/plum

Everything there is wrong except me being suspected by Han. Gaslighting and misreading at every different things and I said at the time that I misread it. I had some of the most posts D1 especially towards the end and I voiced far more opinions (and strong ones at that) than almost anyone else especially during that time. Like, I'm actually a bit pissed anyone has accused me of lying low this game because I think I've said rather a lot and I'm a generally fairly vocal player. I suspected far more people D1 (and said it all, as well) than I currently do but have had to re-evaluate after the flip. The case against me is basically "Han said so", and that I was on the wrong side of a town/scum lynch. Now, I can't say those are bad points, but I would say there are far, far worse looking people than myself, even amongst my townreads.
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Ohh, makes sense. I didn't really bother reading the flip PMs
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htaeD posted...

also detective is more powerful for town than scum, but the way Regs role was worded it didnt seem like he had control over what power he could use each night

Err what? Thought it was just detective with godfather as a passive?
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Got any names beyond plum for me?

I feel uneasy about your slot and did yesterday but the argument thingy Terra had with Reg around when he voted him gives me a bit of pause. Ashe's vote looks a lot better with it being on scum considering he did almost nothing else yesterday that I recall (and voted Reg way before deadline, when he was on a moderate amount of votes but not so many he was a near sure lynch). Ben hasn't quite given me the same vibes as usual but he's had town games before where I've read him as scum because of that, and his actions have been solid on paper.

My reads are kinda annoying me right now because I only have two serious scumreads (DYL and Plum) and an assload of town leans or even fairly strong reads. Hell, John and MZero are both very consistent with their town games so far though I admittedly don't remember a scumgame from either.
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ScareChan posted...

death the mason post wasnt what I was talking about

you talked about dyl and a double sided coin about reg and it read like you forgot to include a second person to compare it to

I'm fairly sure it's comparing me to DYL. That's how I read it anyway.
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I mean obviously losing any scum member is bad but I'd rather that to a roleblocker or strongman.

I also feel like that's kinda beside the point. Perhaps more relevant to potential bussing, and something I forgot to mention, is that Reg was the top vote by quite some margin towards the end of D1 iirc. A scum vote on him would've looked really good (as evidenced by the fact we're having this conversation) and been somewhat low-risk.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Sheep007 posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Bleh I still have weirdly few (i.e one) scumreads on the Ed train even after re-evaluation. I dunno if I'm just off this game or scum were really ready to bus Reg/completely uninvolved in the main trains.

Why would scum bus their godfather detective?

Odds of godfather being used are moderately low, and investigation roles, while somewhat strong, aren't amazing for scum. I don't really think a role comes into scum bussing too heavily unless it's a wincon role regardless I'm definitely leaning scum on Plum too which means at least one was bussing, and I don't think almost all scum were off a train (I think Town on Red and probably Corrik, although I'm still very undecided on the latter, for example.).

What detective is super strong for scum. Stopped reading there. This post is just a hard no.

I think I'm thinking of some different role that's been called detective because the one I'm used to is kinda meh for scum. Actually, is it the one which gets three options for someone's role? I think Plum might've fakeclaimed ultimate detective which apparently did that in my scum game with him
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Bleh I still have weirdly few (i.e one) scumreads on the Ed train even after re-evaluation. I dunno if I'm just off this game or scum were really ready to bus Reg/completely uninvolved in the main trains.

Why would scum bus their godfather detective?

Odds of godfather being used are moderately low, and investigation roles, while somewhat strong, aren't amazing for scum. I don't really think a role comes into scum bussing too heavily unless it's a wincon role regardless I'm definitely leaning scum on Plum too which means at least one was bussing, and I don't think almost all scum were off a train (I think Town on Red and probably Corrik, although I'm still very undecided on the latter, for example.).
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I voted because I thought Ed was scum and Reg was town, Death. I held that view (and vocally so) for most of yesterday.
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Bleh I still have weirdly few (i.e one) scumreads on the Ed train even after re-evaluation. I dunno if I'm just off this game or scum were really ready to bus Reg/completely uninvolved in the main trains.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Plum could totally be scum. Not discounting it. But if not him claiming today let's scum have free info. Pass. We arent lynching him.

Death
Igcd
Dyl
Sheep

I think those are the four we want to hone in on. Everyone rank 1-4 with 1 being scummiest. Give reasoning. Give me data points to think on.

1 - DYL: Very poor vote, on reflection. Others have said what I want to say on that so I won't repeat. Fairly low activity (which I remember him being a stickler for) and little interaction with anyone that stands out for good reasons or that I remember.
2 - Death: Slight town lean, actually. Has been generally reasonable and I've agreed with most of what he said (which I tend to do in general for whatever reason, and tends to indicate him being town in my experience as the one time I've seen him as scum I didn't agree with him D1 and scanned him that night).
3 - God: Moderate townread, feels obtuse and not as helpful as I would expect scum God to be. Basically classic Town God, although the vote looks bad (didn't feel like it at the time, but with the benefit of hindsight with flips, obviously) which is what's keeping him from being a strong townread.
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Ninja'd a lot oof
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Is phantom thief in this context now actually thief or just flavour and why is Shad confirmed suddenly by it
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Sheep007 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

That's a hard misrepresentation of what is going on. I also think you're scum so why would I vote with you?

For one, making scum vote each other and/or getting a scum/scum lynch would be a smart move as town. Also, DYL is currently voting me. If you think he's scum, why would you vote with him?

But if you are both already voting each other how does my vote make scum vote each other.

It's way harder to find a reason to unvote if the other person has quite a few votes and you aren't going to change your read.

Also I kinda just wanted to see what you'd do
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