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benjamin3740 posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

masterplum posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

I honestly doubt Sheep is going to show up again.

Dude... Don't go accusing me of throwing, please.

I'm Mr Ushimaru, Vanilla.

Oh.

Well hold on that vote might have been premature. This post is awful. Im going to iso sheep and see what we got

Why was that post awful?

"Dont say I am scum, just dont question my scum effort"

Oh, I read that as null like he would be throwing the game as town too by disappearing and letting himself get lynched.

Yeah, that's what I was saying. I've been putting in as much effort as possible whenever I've been available this game so it irked me a tad.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

That's a hard misrepresentation of what is going on. I also think you're scum so why would I vote with you?

For one, making scum vote each other and/or getting a scum/scum lynch would be a smart move as town. Also, DYL is currently voting me. If you think he's scum, why would you vote with him?
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Sheep007 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Neablis posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Neablis posted...

Sure IGCD i'm glad to talk to you.

I was reading a bit into DYL in the past bit, what do you specifically think about him I know you posted that on the Ed lynch you have "Death, Sheep, DYL".

Could you speak more on DYL and what you think about him, and also give me some thoughts if you would about how he is approaching sheep here today?

To be honest, I feel his activity is on par with mine at best. He was a player that Han had picked as scum. The way he is going at sheep feels like it lacks conviction.

Do you think DYL v Sheep in this situation is scum v scum?

I think so.

Then I assume you'll have no problem with joining me on DYL, given he's under relatively little pressure compared to what I'm sure you'd like for someone you think is scum.

Meh.

"Come and get content"

"Okay then let's do this thing which would help us produce content on your scumread"

"No"
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Neablis posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Neablis posted...

Sure IGCD i'm glad to talk to you.

I was reading a bit into DYL in the past bit, what do you specifically think about him I know you posted that on the Ed lynch you have "Death, Sheep, DYL".

Could you speak more on DYL and what you think about him, and also give me some thoughts if you would about how he is approaching sheep here today?

To be honest, I feel his activity is on par with mine at best. He was a player that Han had picked as scum. The way he is going at sheep feels like it lacks conviction.

Do you think DYL v Sheep in this situation is scum v scum?

I think so.

Then I assume you'll have no problem with joining me on DYL, given he's under relatively little pressure compared to what I'm sure you'd like for someone you think is scum.
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masterplum posted...

So this is a weird post from both directions.

Sheep makes one unremarkable post, then Corrik asks sheep to claim, then sheep says he could claim under no pressure day 2?

But sheep just claimed vanilla...Why?

This feels scum/scum

There is no downside to softing power as vanilla town
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benjamin3740 posted...

Oh well at least you never did actually vote for Neab. What was up with the brief Terra stint? You went OFF of Ed to Terra and back to Ed again

I thought Terra had a good chance of being scum and Red vocalised being more likely to lynch Terra than Ed iirc, but then Reg unvoted and I decided it was unlikely to gain any momentum from then on.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Sheep, you say you were leaning town and not particularly feeling a lynch on Neab, yet you felt the need to say he was the most scummy as if he was the only option for you for the day. Of course you ended on Eaed, so why drop him from your list during this phase? Sounds like you just really needed to give a reason to vote Neab, and didnt even account for Eaed

I just wanted to discuss the best option of the top 3 lynches (aside from Reg) at the time. Ed was at that point low down on my list, so I was thinking of what I'd do if push came to shove and I had to vote one of them
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Hbthebattle posted...

I honestly doubt Sheep is going to show up again.

Dude... Don't go accusing me of throwing, please.

I'm Mr Ushimaru, Vanilla.
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htaeD posted...

what did you read wrong, sheep?

That Ed was no longer on Han's scumlist. He kept ignoring it and then snapped which made me look back and check because he seemed genuinely annoyed
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Hbthebattle posted...

Sheep is scum. He was attempting to gaslight Han all yesterday for going after Reg before Eaed, despite Han saying multiple times he suspected both.

Shad is another person I think is fairly scummy. The guys vote is one of the most suspicious and he also was questioning Han about Reg. After Sheep, he stands out the most to me.

"Gaslight". I read something wrong. There's a big difference.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Also sheep is scum because sheep was right. All the big players are town this game lol

I'm confused
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masterplum posted...

Why do people want to lynch sheep over shad or Death?

Because I was vocal about being wrong. Nobody else was really going for Ed/defending Reg. I'd say, with admittedly some bias, that the quieter votes made up far more of the Ed lynch. There's definitely scum among them and they have slipped somewhat under the general radar, at least a little more than myself. I'd also like to add DYL to your list in particular because I feel like he's not really at the front of anyone's thoughts. Also, far as I remember he said the least about Ed/Reg and has done very little elsewhere.

##Vote: DYL
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Just on break so can't reply in detail but will be on about 4-5 hours later and I'll definitely be here most of tomorrow.
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Sheep007 posted...

MZero11 posted...

Sheep007 posted...

I vaguely remember liking a John post but that doesn't say a lot. Some pressure there might be nice. But, MZero, I gotta say you kinda fall in that category as well with everything I can remember from you being about John.

well I posted several times about John and was ignored every time so I'm going to keep beating that drum

just like in that Game of Thrones game when everyone kept ignoring my posts about dowolf being scum for like 3 days and then lynched me... and dowolf was scum of course

I didn't ignore it but he was tunneling me and managed to get me lynched so I was also ignored >_>

Also Plum is not a great lynch imo and chances are Corrik is scum
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MZero11 posted...

Sheep007 posted...

I vaguely remember liking a John post but that doesn't say a lot. Some pressure there might be nice. But, MZero, I gotta say you kinda fall in that category as well with everything I can remember from you being about John.

well I posted several times about John and was ignored every time so I'm going to keep beating that drum

just like in that Game of Thrones game when everyone kept ignoring my posts about dowolf being scum for like 3 days and then lynched me... and dowolf was scum of course

I didn't ignore it but he was tunneling me and managed to get me lynched so I was also ignored >_>
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I vaguely remember liking a John post but that doesn't say a lot. Some pressure there might be nice. But, MZero, I gotta say you kinda fall in that category as well with everything I can remember from you being about John.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Do not fear sheep I am just honoring han for the moment since no one ever does. My Thursday is slammed but Friday afternoon I can go in depth day 1.

And I just realised you replaced Terra rather than Gareth so my non-voting point against you was invalid ._.

I'll have to go through the end of yesterday again as I said, but at the time I felt like Death and Shad had the better progression towards voting Ed when compared with DYL and IGCD. IGCD was on my townlist for his start of day though and that's before the votes became a big factor so I'll stick with that.
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I'm gonna have to do some serious re-evaluation now because I thought that lynch was town-town all night and I was wrong on Han. Scare and Neab are both confirmed and we have Chris for a day at least so that's nice. Since it was a close lynch, chances are there actually were quite a lot of scum on Ed as well. Doubt I'll be around much til late tonight and I'll try and read through everything again with a more correct perspective. I agree that we should be looking at the people on the Ed vote primarily, although I also want to look at the ones who weren't voting either at the end That means Corrik and Chris, who're funnily enough wrong about me, and considering them being wrong is a sign of them being scum... Though Chris does have the excuse of following Han and that the dude he replaced was completely inactive. I would say Red as well but I still townread him, although I don't know if that's gonna change with re-reading.
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Honestly I feel really good about the Ed train and think it could be pure town which leaves a lot of inactive or reg voting scum
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7-5 or 6 Reg-Ed.
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I was rereading through Terra's posts to see if anything stood out. Dunno if lynching the unclaimed was worth the risk and DYL/Neab at least don't seem to be here to switch over anyway.
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Well then, never mind...

##Unvote
##Vote: Ed
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Apparently the Ed wagon isn't taking off. I'll risk a Terra special. Fairly confident that Reg is town so a neutral-to-scummy player is a decent vote. Plus I feel like I've played with him enough to at least get some town vibes if he is town, although it's been a while and he's not posted a ton.

##Unvote
##Vote: Terra
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Red is very likely town and should probably be protected tonight. Just a thought.
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Scumteam killing Gareth to prevent Chris replacing in would be the highlight of this game.
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Terra was last here 15 mins ago

This makes me think more town on Reg because it feels like he's annoyed at Terra even though an Ed vote would probably give him a better chance of survival.
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Specialing Terra is an acceptable alternative but Ed is still better especially given he's claimed vanilla

Also DYL and Death are both probably Town especially if Ed is scum
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Neablis posted...

Reg posted...

Neablis posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

But what Reg doing right now isn't even scum hunting. It's voting and dashing which amounts to nothing. If you want a vote someone you commit to it. Especially if it's such a low profile player with so little info to gather from. When deadline is this close time is of the essence, and weak pressure isn't going to take you very far, especially when the player can easily just hide behind one of the head lynches.

I feel like Reg has committed to it, though. He's been asking questions and looking for answers, and he's currently the top lynch by some margin. There's better targets out there if he's scum looking for an alternative lynch.

This isnt right though sheep,

What scum hunting questions is actually being discussed. Hes asking leading questions that do not make people scum?

What question has he asked me points to what you are saying?

Reads and content.

Provide them or so help me, I will end you.

I almost feel like playing chicken here just to spite you, however if you would allow the exchange I am attempting to have with sheep continue...

I think I answered your question in post #39. I don't see why having a discussion with me should mean you can't also have one with Reg.

Ben is scum.

That's quite a leap in logic based on just post #39
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Neanderthal is a new one

I misread that Ed was no longer on Han's scumlist in one post and I jumped on it, that one is my bad. The amount of hostility as a reaction though... yikes. Not unbelievable from town Han considering I've seen him get very frustrated before but it's not exactly given me a townread.
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masterplum posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Sheep007 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

masterplum posted...

Thinking right now that Han is scum with Ed. Han is running the play where he suspects ed, then makes it seem like ed is the sure thing and railroads someone else, hoping that people forget about the early vanilla claim when a b8 town player inevitably says something that sounds bad but isnt inherently scummy

Seen it a million times

I'll make you a deal then - we're 100% lynching eaed today, and in the penultimate hour of the game (I'll be gone for final hour) I'll scream and shout at everyone who says anything otherwise.

That way, you can keep your paranoia and eat it too

Reminder that this happened AFTER HAN VOTED REG AND SAID ED WAS SUCH OBVIOUS SCUM HE WASN'T WORTH SPENDING MORE TIME ON

Huh

For context, Ed is no longer a scumread for Han at all and he's refusing to say why. Only reason I'm not voting Han is because I would likely lose to him if I made the last half hour between us and because an Ed lynch and scum flip would be pretty bloody damning against him in the first place.
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Sheep007 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

masterplum posted...

Thinking right now that Han is scum with Ed. Han is running the play where he suspects ed, then makes it seem like ed is the sure thing and railroads someone else, hoping that people forget about the early vanilla claim when a b8 town player inevitably says something that sounds bad but isnt inherently scummy

Seen it a million times

I'll make you a deal then - we're 100% lynching eaed today, and in the penultimate hour of the game (I'll be gone for final hour) I'll scream and shout at everyone who says anything otherwise.

That way, you can keep your paranoia and eat it too

Reminder that this happened AFTER HAN VOTED REG AND SAID ED WAS SUCH OBVIOUS SCUM HE WASN'T WORTH SPENDING MORE TIME ON

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It is a real question though. I am asking why Ed is no longer on your scum radar. What changed? I genuinely do not understand what is so difficult about it or why you think it's unimportant.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

masterplum posted...

Thinking right now that Han is scum with Ed. Han is running the play where he suspects ed, then makes it seem like ed is the sure thing and railroads someone else, hoping that people forget about the early vanilla claim when a b8 town player inevitably says something that sounds bad but isnt inherently scummy

Seen it a million times

I'll make you a deal then - we're 100% lynching eaed today, and in the penultimate hour of the game (I'll be gone for final hour) I'll scream and shout at everyone who says anything otherwise.

That way, you can keep your paranoia and eat it too

Reminder that this happened.
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htaeD posted...

I will confess something about a past game
When sheep was town, his confident townreads annoyed the hell out of scum me. So its a good way to get reactions.

I feel vindicated, thanks.
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Dark Young Link posted...

Actually...

Sheep007 posted...

As someone else has mentioned a bit further down, I always rather to come across as confident. It's cause it puts more pressure on people and makes my reads clear. Scare is my top Town read and the difference between scum/town Scare feels like night and day so I'm very sure on that one. Activity levels, how much he's created discussion, etc. I still feel moderately confident on HB as town as well, though to a lesser extent when compared to before. Unlike just about everyone else, apparently, I think Reg is town. The only person I feel is town on his lynch is HB and Reg's been active and attempting to scumhunt more than just about every other player. IGCD is also a town lean for his start to the game but that's mostly gut.

Scum... Not so many. Ed's a pretty big scumread still but there's nobody else I'm confident enough to call scum yet. Will probably start paying more attention for the last few hours since I should be available from now til about deadline.

So this explains your read on...

Scare
HB (Kind of)
Reg

But if I'm not mistaken, you also mentioned you felt the following were town.

Red
Neab
And Plum, if Ed flips scum.

Did any of these change or...?

I'm less sure on Plum now considering he jumped off Ed and onto Reg. Still think Red is town, and Neab I've also explained earlier on.
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Corrik posted...

ScareChan posted...

To be honest I have thought sheep scum for a while since corrik said to shoot him but I just dont want to listen to corrik at end of day when he had done nothing today

"hey I think sheep is scum too but I won't vote who I think is scum because I am too egotistical to do it because someone else said to do it."

Several people think I'm scum but apparently none want to vote with it. Scare, Han and most recently DYL (who proceeded to vote the guy I just voted).
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Hey, Han, I remembered again and you didn't answer earlier. Why is Ed no longer even on your radar?

This right here is why I think Sheep is Scum. He's defending himself by attacking me with a strawman he created.

I fail to see how this is me defending myself or particularly attacking you, and you still haven't answered the question at all as far as I'm aware. It's a pretty important question as well.
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Neablis posted...

Then who do you really want to lynch sheep? If not reg def and me probably not who?

Ed would probably my top choice. There's a lot of people I'd be okayish with lynching (basically everyone I put in my not-townread list except Corrik, Death and Ben) but none I particularly want to push for. Probably a good time to lay down a vote if Ed is going to get a solid wagon on him.

##Vote: Ed

Hey, Han, I remembered again and you didn't answer earlier. Why is Ed no longer even on your radar?
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Ok yeah Sheep is def Scum.

This attitude is way too rude to be Town Sheep.

Sheep007 posted...

Johnbobb posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Reg/MZrro/Sheep/Scare scumteam?

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Book of Confirmed Scum
Eaed

Thanks, John. I was kinda wondering if anyone else was going to bring up the fact that Han said he would probably go back to Ed and that he seems to have completely forgotten about him now.

This is way too aggressive of a defense. Sheep is mad I fingered him. No reason to get this ready in arms about a simple placement on a list.

Which means Scare is likely Scum with Reg and Sheep.

Han... you've never seen me as scum. I am, believe it or not, capable of being rude as town.

Neablis posted...

Sheep007 posted...

The question thing is actually fair, I'll admit I was looking less into what he was saying than the fact he was trying to get people to vote Neab and actually tried to initiate discussion, which is still always positive (although perhaps less than I thought).

So were you just not reading our exchanges and decided I was the better lynch over reg? (I know you had me as a town lean).

And now that you are saying the questions were not necessarily helpful, what was so positive about trying to push the game into someone you think is possibly town? Doesnt that generally make you go wait that's not right?

No, I wanted more from you. I wouldn't vote you unless it was a two way lynch between you and someone I was more sure on being town. Reg hasn't played with you before and so having a scumread on someone who I only gut townread because of past games isn't a red flag for me.
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Neablis posted...

Reg posted...

Neablis posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

But what Reg doing right now isn't even scum hunting. It's voting and dashing which amounts to nothing. If you want a vote someone you commit to it. Especially if it's such a low profile player with so little info to gather from. When deadline is this close time is of the essence, and weak pressure isn't going to take you very far, especially when the player can easily just hide behind one of the head lynches.

I feel like Reg has committed to it, though. He's been asking questions and looking for answers, and he's currently the top lynch by some margin. There's better targets out there if he's scum looking for an alternative lynch.

This isnt right though sheep,

What scum hunting questions is actually being discussed. Hes asking leading questions that do not make people scum?

What question has he asked me points to what you are saying?

Reads and content.

Provide them or so help me, I will end you.

I almost feel like playing chicken here just to spite you, however if you would allow the exchange I am attempting to have with sheep continue...

I think I answered your question in post #39. I don't see why having a discussion with me should mean you can't also have one with Reg.
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Hbthebattle posted...

...Sheep, other than Death and Ed, are all your scum reads just inactives?

Death isn't a scumread. Most of those are neutral or fairly close to it. Hard to townread someone when they don't have a lot of posts which are alignment indicative.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

As soon as I mention Sheep possibly being Scum, he goes on attack mode instantly.

Scare has been acting in a way I really don't like. That set me to think of him working on things as if he is Scum playing set-up... ends up with Sheep being on that list.

Was going to say I didn't like JB, especially with how quick he was with that quote of me. But Sheep got aggressive real quick as soon as I mentioned him.

Define go on the attack and actually back it up with something, please.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Sheep, who exactly other than ed and plum do you NOT read town on at this rate?

Ashe, Terra, Han, Corrik, Shad, Ben, MZero, Gareth, Death and DYL.
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The question thing is actually fair, I'll admit I was looking less into what he was saying than the fact he was trying to get people to vote Neab and actually tried to initiate discussion, which is still always positive (although perhaps less than I thought).
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htaeD posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Neab is a better vote than HB or Reg imo but I'm not particularly feeling a lynch on him and the fact I've already said I lean town on him would make a pressure vote redundant.

....so how is it a better vote in any way?

Because I think Neab is more likely to be scum than HB or Reg.
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Neab is a better vote than HB or Reg imo but I'm not particularly feeling a lynch on him and the fact I've already said I lean town on him would make a pressure vote redundant.
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Terra-enforcer posted...

But what Reg doing right now isn't even scum hunting. It's voting and dashing which amounts to nothing. If you want a vote someone you commit to it. Especially if it's such a low profile player with so little info to gather from. When deadline is this close time is of the essence, and weak pressure isn't going to take you very far, especially when the player can easily just hide behind one of the head lynches.

I feel like Reg has committed to it, though. He's been asking questions and looking for answers, and he's currently the top lynch by some margin. There's better targets out there if he's scum looking for an alternative lynch.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Driving, give me a few.

Sheep probably Scum.

I really wanna hear this one
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Johnbobb posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Reg/MZrro/Sheep/Scare scumteam?

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Book of Confirmed Scum
Eaed

Thanks, John. I was kinda wondering if anyone else was going to bring up the fact that Han said he would probably go back to Ed and that he seems to have completely forgotten about him now.
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Terra-enforcer posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Should people just ignore inactives and go for more active players when scumhunting, then? Never going to find anything out if there's no pressure.

That wasn't the implication whatsoever. But you're only going to get so much info dashing for an inactive two days before the end of day. Doesn't come across as the most viable target for scum hunting, especially when those kinds of outs rarely turn out well if said player continues to remain inactive. That kind of turn is what hurt us day 1 last game, and I've seen similar cases plenty of times before.

But Neab is here. Jedi wasn't, I think. There's a massive difference
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htaeD posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

I'm getting vibes of Chris's train on Jedi here, Scare.

Scare didnt exactly lead the lynch on Reg though

It's also kinda calling Scare and Neab both town in a roundabout way
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