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Lol why is King of Tokyo so high on the list? I kid, but why is it higher than zombicide gah.

My fave dice chucker is Escape from the Curse of the Temple. No matter what the group there is hilarity to be had.

Generally, I feel that dice chucking is a means by itself, and if the mechanics that use it are sound, that's what makes it a good game.
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Zombicide is utterly broken and in some circles overrated. It's a nice game for kids I guess, but as a gamer kind of boardgamer it's exploitable. Although I have heard good things about Black Plague.

SeabassDebeste posted...

Bonus question - What is your favorite (or least favorite) game with loads of miniatures?

It's a toss-up between Kemet or Inis! The former for some good ol fashioned attack attack attack! And the latter for some modern chess action.
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How does it compare to paperback?
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Road Movies
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The Dirties
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Machi Koro is pretty bad imo. By the time you finish the first playthrough, you're going to get excited but you'll realize you've seen pretty much everything the game has to offer. You'll try to win another way but with each successive playthrough, you'll find it worse and worse for attention.
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The Evil Within (PC)

I can't believe I waited this long to play this game. I actually back then because I thought the whole game was just going to be stealth. It is good that it is a franchise of its own (and thus have its own liberties), even though it does take cues from Silent Hill 2 and RE4. This game may as well be a successor to those 2 games. I only started playing it when I found out it was already 3 years and the sequel had come out already.
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I know Catan is often the butt of several bgame jokes, but I can only relate to my one playthrough of it. I thought it was okay, but my friend really got shafted hard. He landed in some stupid resources and only those and for the rest of the game all he could do was ask to trade for those stupid rocks and not get anything else. And I kinda felt bad cos I put him in that situation. But after that the host praised me for my deviousness, implying thats hpw you're supose to play, that being shafted fpr an hour and a half was one of the inevitable options you can have in this game.

That doesn't sound like fun at all.
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Primer
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Kurt Vonnegut
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FF6 but I dunno, it just seems like the direction Square is going with remaking old titles is just to make them more like their modern FFs. I'm afraid that an FF6 remake would just become something like FF13's battle system
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Rip Hunter's chalkboard
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Here's my fave kirby cover https://www.levelupstudios.com/products/inside-me
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oh yeah sorry i mispelled

The Riddler getting amnesia and becoming a detective
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transcience posted...

maybe I'll rephrase - what makes hollow knight significantly different than, say, symphony of the night? they're both atmospheric and dark maze games. is symphony of the night a 2d dark souls

Plot-wise, Hollow Knight is more Dark Souls because you are dumped into an ambiguous situation and it's up to you to piece together the backstory based on artifacts you find and characters to talk to.

While Dracula's castle is indeed a house of horrors, the scary mood is significantly toned down for the emphasis on action. Hollow Knight while more eerie than scary, plays with this concept in a more serious and melancholic tone. By the time the game starts, whatever evil that's come had already come, and you're left struggling to pick off the scraps and solve the mystery of the disappeared kingdom.

Gameplay-wise while SotN lets you gather exp from creature kills until you level up, Hollow Knight instead has Soul. Soul is used for everything: Healing, Spell-casting, and sometimes powering up the trinkets you find. But unlike SotN if and when you die all your accumulated Soul disappears, forcing you to both return to the place of your death and acquire more Soul.

Hollow Knight also controls more fluidly and so do its bosses, which require a certain speed and the ability to react quickly.
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Chris Clairmont
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Ori is hard only in the early game, I think it's easier than Hollow Knight because its skill tree is passive whereas Hollow Knight only has limited slots for abilities
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When I play Tix, I just try my best to cockblock everyone's routes. At least for the first half of the game. Then people will assume that my blocking is actually my mission until its too late.
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Mac Arrowny posted...

Pretty good game. Starts off really slow, but gets to be pretty fun after a while. Has a nice complete feel to it.

Simoun posted...

The boss fights are more brutal than Cuphead, but are totally doable in time.

???

You're either really good at Cuphead or really bad at Hollow Knight.

I'm both? What's the issue here?

Cuphead is easy. I mean, it's hard yeah but most of the attacks are easily memorized and the hitbox is very generous. The only trouble I seem to have were the gradius levels, and that's because I hate shmups. Plus you get all those cool powerups and up to 3 health.

Hollow Knight requires even faster reflexes, even faster reaction times. And there's no health bar like other Metroidvanias so there's no way to tell if you're doing great. Plus there's that whole if you die you gotta run back every time schtick.
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I hate Dark Souls comparisons too, but trust me this is one of the few games that actually make sense to compare it to just because difficulty isn't the only similarity.

As Pirateking2000 mentions, the game starts you in an already dying world. I think you can pretty much guess what happens.
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Hollow Knight is my number 1 indie of 2017. Thoroughly recommend if you're into vastly explorative Metroidvanias with an added difficulty spike.

It's Dark Souls in 2d form if its focus was more on the fast-paced maneuvering as opposed to the deliberate resource management and exploration of Salt and Sanctuary.

It has a beautiful albeit melancholy world that just makes you question it, great music, interesting characters although some of them feel incomplete due to not reaching a pledge goal in the kickstarter, Buuut, if you didn't know that (don't worry you won't notice until you look up the character in a wiki), the game's environs are perfect for worldbuilding. You'll often come upon a setpiece with a vaguely familiar feeling and think to yourself "What must have happened here, I wonder."

The boss fights are more brutal than Cuphead, but are totally doable in time. The writing is okay. And a few things you encounter in the game sometimes subvert expectations in a I Knew You Would Do That kinda way.
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My opinion on Euros: My Arkham Horror upbringing means that I am more of a Theme man. I enjoy randomness. I enjoy Chaos. I enjoy people surprising people using underhanded or brilliant ways. It is possible that some mechanics may overlap such as Argent which is a worker placement but uses magic spells to mess with each other. Plus, you can't go wrong with the theme of Graduate School Hogwarts.

But if like I were invited to say Terra Mystica or Trajan? I would play those if asked but honestly I don't get into games for the brain burning engine building aspect. I'd be half bored with the nigh abstract pieces and half obsessed with building an engine which while intellectually stimulating, a part of me feels like a waste of a perfectly good Saturday afternoon.

I guess its just how Carrot and Stick something appears to be; how the euro aspect can be downplayed to a point that I'll see the potential fun it can bring to my group. Take Iki for example, it just looks BEAUTIFUL like an authentic Japanese painting. I'd play the shit out of that.
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azuarc posted...

Simoun posted...

I never said I hated Fluxx or Tix to Ride. I just think that there is more to boardgaming than these 2. I hate people who love these and refuse to play anything else.

That's fine, and I understand that. But you said Fluxx was bottom of the barrel and Ticket was "gay ol' Ticket to Ride." How am I supposed to infer anything other than that you're pissing on the games themselves, rather than the people who enjoy them?

I have a weird choice of words :D

Bottom of the barrel just means its easy peasy to teach and play (though I'll admit shallowness, it is mindless fun). Gay as what I thought evidenced by the ol' English refers to Gay as in 1900s gay and not homo gay. It's fun, non-confrontational (unless you mean it to be), and just winds the clock back to when I started the hobby...for other people. What really got me started was playing really heavy ones and then doubling back for the rest of the casual crowd to catch up.

SeabassDebeste posted...

Bonus question - What would you say was your gateway game? Or first eurogame? Do you still like it?

I actually had a very complicated start. I and my friends were one of the first boardgamers before it became a thing shortly after. Our first boardgame ever was Arkham Horror. We played the shit out of it for 2 years before we started looking for lighter stuff. So if I had to answer, I would say Arkham Horror got us into boardgaming, but it was Bang the Card Game that got us into boardgaming in general. Which I still love btw, much to the chagrin of the rest of the world. Bang! used to be amazing but is now horribly obsolete despite that I still enjoy it for its tabletalk-ability and variant powers. It's slower pace and potential player elimination are often cited as weaknesses which annoys me.

My first eurogame hahahah. Well, I won't beat around; I'm a very hardcore Ameritrash gamer. My first and only Euro was a curious acquisition from Japan. It's called Iki linked below:

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/177478/iki

and it is AMAZING, one of my Top 3 in fact (alongside Argent). Also one of my first impulse buys; I saw nothing but the cover and bgg rating and dove in. It's beautiful and I thoroughly recommend if you can find it. It's like a more japanese looking monopoly with better mechanisms. I can go into detail if you want.
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Spider Island
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SeabassDebeste posted...

Bonus question - Do you enjoy games where you can form temporary alliances? What factors make you more or less likely to enjoy that?

I'll enjoy a game like that if the game was made with the purpose of having crash and burn alliances. Lots of my examples that I enjoy are usually in 3 player games where you're going to have to ally and betray your mates at one point: Three Kingdoms Redux, Kemet, and Arctic Scavengers. For more than 3 though it would have to be a pretty quick game like Cash N Guns or one that encourages mini alliances like Tigris and Euphrates.

But for games that encourage you to betray someone at a moment's notice? I don't particularly like it, even though I'll admit I've won a few games that way. The problem is there aren't alot of thick skins where I am so the games that do that usually break friendships.
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azuarc posted...

Simoun posted...

I've fallen into the common trap of being very interested in 2 bottom-of-the-barrel boardgames Fluxx and Munchkin back when there really wasn't any other option save for gay ol' Ticket to Ride. Fluxx is fun for awhiles and Munchkin is just broken once you realize how stupid it really is a few games in.

And this is why I'll never be able to follow topics like these. Fluxx isn't my first go-to by a longshot, but it's enjoyable for a quick finisher, and Ticket to Ride is great. Next, you'll say Settlers is terrible because you're hipster like that. Meanwhile, Qwirkle is the first game on the list that I've so much as seen in a store, let alone played.

Agree completely on Munchkin, though. The designers created it with making silly cards in mind more than actually achieving game balance.

I never said I hated Fluxx or Tix to Ride. I just think that there is more to boardgaming than these 2. I hate people who love these and refuse to play anything else.
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Huniepop (PC)
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Cosmic Encounter is a game that makes its own fun, but I have to agree that you need a very specific kind of backstabby group to play it with. And with all those alien powers, you have to realize this game was never made with balance in mind.
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Woops sorry! I meant the top 3 on the boardgame subreddit! Sometimes I equate both as similar haha
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bumpo
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LetterGreep looks pretty 90s. I dunno, but I love it personally
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SeabassDebeste posted...

Bonus question - What is your favorite food-themed game?

What else but Food Chain Magnate from which it currently sits at #3 on BGG. I still have remorse sometimes for not buying it just for the collection quality but meh, to each his own.

EDIT: Sorry I meant the boardgame subreddit, not bgg as a whole!

Always wanted to try Sushi Go. I keep hearing it alot around here during the boardgame boom in my town as a sureshot gateway game. Unfortunately, my first boardgame was way heavier so playing Sushi Go felt like a step back so I never got into it.

SeabassDebeste posted...

Bonus question - Have you ever been really fond of a game, then had your tastes move on from it?

I've fallen into the common trap of being very interested in 2 bottom-of-the-barrel boardgames Fluxx and Munchkin back when there really wasn't any other option save for gay ol' Ticket to Ride. Fluxx is fun for awhiles and Munchkin is just broken once you realize how stupid it really is a few games in.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

Simoun posted...

SeabassDebeste posted...

Bonus question - Do you like any games that feel like regular card games

Cockroach Poker and Kobayashi. You might as well use 2 decks of playing cards to play them. The former is a bluffind game where you try to pass cards to a designated loser (there's only 1 loser, everyone else wins). The latter is a maths game where you juggle pairs of values and face off with the only open information being the card in the center.

I reccommend both :)

I really want Cockroach Poker! It looked incredibly fun. But it seems like a ridiculous expenditure of money, on principle.

Tell me about it! What I did was, buy 2 cheap decks of cards with the same backing and remove numbers 9 and above. They work perfectly. I added in some creepy crawly pics later for flavor.

You can even do it with a single deck if you're that much of a cheapskate. Make 1-2, 3-4, 5-6, 7-8, 9-10, and J-Q as 1 "Number" and have King be a Royal (for the Royal version of Cockroach Poker).
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NioraptH posted...

1/8... My relatives celebrate it so I help out.

But yeah, the malls around here kinda downplayed Valentine's day in favour of CNY

Same for me.

But I'm actually Chinese
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Lol sorry, I meant Kobayakawa, not Kobayashi
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SeabassDebeste posted...

Bonus question - Do you like any games that feel like regular card games

Cockroach Poker and Kobayashi. You might as well use 2 decks of playing cards to play them. The former is a bluffind game where you try to pass cards to a designated loser (there's only 1 loser, everyone else wins). The latter is a maths game where you juggle pairs of values and face off with the only open information being the card in the center.

I reccommend both :)
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Tag
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Ooh nice! Have you also backed Temporal Oddyssey?
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Oh and my favorite 8bit game is actually 16bit. The Battle at Kemble's Cascade is Gradius the card game. Complete with scrolling boards, achievements and multi-part boss battles. My only gripe is that is has pvp which can be easily houseruled.
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FL81 posted...

American box art Kirby

This was my first choice but I thought someone already nommed it haha
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LXG Century
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Boss Monster is so boring and a bullet dodge for me thank god. I had planned tp surprise the guys with it but when I played it at an LGS, it fell so so flat. I would even dare put it alongside bears vs babies for just pretending to be strategic when it is in fact shallow. But I guess theres that dank video game art and oooh references. Great.

Never played Colt Express but have been told its a programming game by far. Maybe I'd play to try it once but programming games dont really appeal to me unless its a bit shorter and has something more interesting going for it.

I'm also a big level99 fan. One of my top ten is mill blades and one of my top 3 is Argent.

To answer your just go with it question, I would go with Crossfire. It's like a faster cheaper Coup that gives a little room to be goofy. But you absolutely need about 6 or more people.

I've only enjoyed one programming game but its name eludes me. It's about robot arena combat and your goal is to kill or push each other off of tiles. No its not robo rally, this one's shorter and your game board is a personal controller arcade style.

No idea on the UNO as all I've played there is Fluxx. Could it be Red7?
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Batwing
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Millennium Blades?

or BattleCON?
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