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averagejoel posted...

I know that hollywood is still very racist.

society in general is still very racist.

I don't know if hollywood, or the film industry in general, is more racist than any other industry -- it might just be more overt

Very racist compared to what? It's all relative right? Are you actually saying its as racist as it was before?
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gloBal enemy posted...

I don't dispute the source of the material, but merely calling out that the only movies which make it to Western screens are those which play to some kind of preexisting notion of what movies from that region/culture should address. As someone who lived in Asia (and I'm Chinese), there's a whole film industry which is largely unnoticed by most Westerners and there are plenty of other themes/genres whether it be comedy, thriller, horror, etc... but the ones which get the big budget release in the West are the ones which are defined by those stereotypes.

I don't argue that any movie about rich or poor Asians is racist - I'm arguing that the core themes in those is rooted in what are common Western perceptions which are only reinforced by these films.

EDIT: Changed lives to lived to be accurate since I recently moved back to Australia after living in Singapore for a couple of years.

You're literally calling authentic Chinese culture sourced from authentic Chinese literature "preexisting notions" and "stereotypes". It's no different than saying that the only reason the Chinese people spoke Chinese is because it was meant to "reinforce common Western perceptions"

Culture isn't a stereotypes or a perception, so you're wrong there.

And you're also ignoring the fact that the details you've cherry picked are just that, cherry picked details. Kung Fu isnt the core theme of CTHD, being poor isn't the core theme of slumdog millionaire. Sure they're aspects of those movies, but they aren't the core themes. It's be impossible to make a movie that didn't include a single thing that you couldn't twist into a stereotype.

I'm sure there's a booming film industry in Asia and other parts of the world as well, but only the absolute best movies from those places are going to have a chance of making it in Hollywood, which is the cinema mecca of the world. Again Hollywood is purely about the bottom line,they don't put nearly as much thought into perceived racism as you do.

Finally, you're also dead wrong about the last things you've said about these movies. They arent the only ones to hit Western screens, and both crouching tiger hidden Dragon and slumdog millionaire had paltry budgets of $15m.
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gloBal enemy posted...

Veggeta_MAX posted...

Very much so. Movies like Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Hero and Slumdog Millionaire were all great movies and were hugely successful in America.

I feel like those movies all played on Western perceptions/stereotypes of Asians though (kung fu, poor) and essentially turned what people expected into a movie. Crazy Rich Asians is playing on a 'new' stereotype of 'new money' but if you think about all the possible movie themes/plots/etc out there eg romantic comedies, space exploration, etc..., how many of those which are not based on a racial/cultural stereotype would actually have such diverse casting?

Crouching tiger hidden Dragon was based on a series of novels written by a Chinese author nearly a century before. It isn't dealing with Chinese "stereotypes". It's literally dealing with authentic Chinese culture. It was written, directed, and starred Chinese people, was filmed in China, and had a Chinese crew. So the casting and hiring was definitely not "diverse" lol, you seem to think that word means "not solely white people.".

Then you go on to argue that any movie about rich Asians is racist, and any movie about poor Asians is racist.... Lol forget the fact that they were accurate representations of Indian and Chinese culture, you will literally say any movie is racist because you're a virtue signaling PC vulture who is incapable of having an honest discussion because you always have an agenda. It's really embarrassing and something you should try to grow out of.
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No. Hollywood used to be legitimately racist back in the day. But nowadays Hollywood is much more of a business and the forms of racism that Hollywood gets blamed for is actually a reflection of the racism of the general public. Yeah sure movies get whitewashed, but that's because whitewashing movies will typically cause the movie to make more money. It's all about the bottom line people.
So do me a favor and quit trying to stir the pot
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Heineken14 posted...

Except Bernie was proposing ways on how to pay for his "free things" while Donnie was just going "uhh.... they'll pay for it... yeah, yeah that's it. Another country will pay for it!"

Yeah, they were a bit far fetched but at least he wasn't letting some ad libbed nonsense literally dictate his actions. Trump came up with that bullshit on the spot and it's now costing the country billions of dollars. For nothing. That said, Bernie didn't really have a realistic shot of pulling off what he was promising either.
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Sucks that what gets a presidemt elected is completely irrelevant or even detrimental to what it takes to actually be a good president.
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"Durr I'm TheBlueMonk_ and im soooooo much better than everyone else."

You're gonna die cold and alone.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

vigorm0rtis posted...

Outlawing one firearm isn't outlawing all, but... yeah, that was dumb. I don't think realizes the scope of what he's saying.

they propose wild ideas already KNOWING it'll be shut down. this way they can be like, "hey guys, I tried but they said no."

Bernie Sanders was doing this in 2016 with his "free everything" campaign.

Kinda like the whole "Mexico will pay for it" thing yeah? Seems to be a pretty common tactic for politicians to promise things they can't possibly deliver.
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Man people like TC are so absurd with partisanship it's no wonder the country is so divided. That said, Beto should be smart enough to realize how absurd this idea is.
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