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Topic	To circumcise or not?
Zonbei 03/08/24 6:05:13 PM #143:	ai123 posted... My information on neonatal deaths is from here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/240804903_Lost_Boys_An_Estimate_of_US_Circumcision-Related_Infant_Deaths Every medical procedure carries risk for a variety of reasons. That's precisely why you don't do them without very good reason. Slightly easier washing and looks nicer to some are not very good reasons. Penile cancer is vanishingly rare in men under the age of 80. The likelihood of circumcision saving you is less than the chances of death by complications. As others have pointed out, nations that do not routinely circumcise are not characterised by significantly higher rates of penile cancer and STDs. The link you posted is by Dan Bollinger, who is literally mentioned by name in what I posted as being untrustworthy. The only reason I didnt provide a link is because its paywalled, by the way. https://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/science/benefits-of-circumcision-outweigh-risks-pediatric-group-says.html not characterized by significantly higher rates. Correct. Slightly higher rates. Thats why this is an elective procedure with pros and cons on both sides, and thus a personal choice for parents. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8022379/#:~:text=The%20prevalence%20of%20STIs%20overall,vs%2015.5%25%2C%20respectively). https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0130396 --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded. <cite>Zonbei posted [p:979265136] in To circumc... [t:80716158]...</cite> <quote>ai123 posted... </cite><quote>My information on neonatal deaths is from here:https://www.researchgate.net/publication/240804903_Lost_Boys_An_Estimate_of_US_Circumcision-Related_Infant_DeathsEvery medical procedure carries risk for a variety of reasons. That's precisely why you don't do them without very good reason. Slightly easier washing and looks nicer to some are not very good reasons. Penile cancer is vanishingly rare in men under the age of 80. The likelihood of circumcision saving you is less than the chances of death by complications. As others have pointed out, nations that do not routinely circumcise are not characterised by significantly higher rates of penile cancer and STDs.</quote>The link you posted is by Dan Bollinger, who is literally mentioned by name in what I posted as being untrustworthy. The only reason I didnt provide a link is because its paywalled, by the way. https://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/science/benefits-of-circumcision-outweigh-risks-pediatric-group-says.htmlnot characterized by significantly higher rates. Correct. Slightly higher rates. Thats why this is an elective procedure with pros and cons on both sides, and thus a personal choice for parents. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8022379/#:~:text=The%20prevalence%20of%20STIs%20overall,vs%2015.5%25%2C%20respectively).https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0130396 --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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