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Starks posted...

The base isn't large enough to win elections. If you want to go into every election planning to barely skirt by on a single viable path that is already closed or will barely win you maybe one more election if at all, go ahead.

You're hoping for voters that may never show up instead of the ones that always do without fail regardless of how shitty the choices or political climate is.

I really don't see how you're taking this message away after 2016 and 2024. Those ARE elections with just the Democratic base, the people who would vote for any Democrat and the few conservatives who hated Trump enough to win. THAT'S what's been proven to be not enough to win. The current plan is already to barely skirt by and never win enough to do anything, when we do squeak a win. Unless you're trying to sell us the idea that the Clinton and Harris campaigns were insurgent leftist failures?

The only wins we've had since most of us here could vote were: 1. Biden after Trump botched the response to a global pandemic and society seemed to be fraying at a rapid pace. And 2. Obama who was definitely a moderate, but ran as and was perceived as a non-coronated change candidate running on universal health care.

We can't win without energy, a perception that the candidate is a charismatic outsider who will come in and change things. Who is left enough to make third parties irrelevant and crate excitement, without being so left that moderates can't stomach them or we get tarred with everything anyone weird has ever done.

You're telling us to move to the center without explaining how that will get the people who stayed home in 2016 and 2024 to come out or the people who switched to Trump to come back if they've decided they like conservatism now. Our problem is we don't define the narrative or defend our stances, I don't see how essentially saying "conservatives are actually right about most things, we'll just do conservatism better than the Republicans" is supposed to work. If both parties are going to do conservatism and we're expected to support it, what's the point of politics at that point?