Current Events > Centrist Dems seize opening at the DNC: 'I don't want to be the freak show party

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Centrist Democrats are revolting.

I'm not exactly optimistic that Democrats have learned anything

I mean this sums up the Democratic party >_>

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/15/centrist-democrats-chair-dnc-00189933

I wonder how this party will look by the next election at this rate

Saw a good post the other day

"If a conservative has a choice between a conservative and conservative lite, they'll choose the conservative every time."

Trying to move to the center and peel off Republicans is a losing strategy. That was their tactic in the past 3 elections and it lost them two of them and barely won the one they did.

The base has gone left. Move left with them or join the Republicans.

Progressive policies are popular, the problem is marketing. Republicans praise the ACA but hate Obamacare and too many progressives see Democrats as the party of maintaining the status quo.

If they want to change just their front facing image then maybe it's not the worst idea. But if they think going from what they are now to being basically Republicans from a few decades ago then Jesus Christ we're boned.

Isn't the fact that Trump managed to win by popular vote means that the electoral base of USA is actually moving right? People were already going crazy for the sheer revelation that GenZ is far more conservative than anyone expected.

Isn't the fact that Trump managed to win by popular vote means that the electoral base of USA is actually moving right? People were already going crazy for the sheer revelation that GenZ is far more conservative than anyone expected.

I mean their base. And I wouldnt say the country as a whole is moving right. Remember, 20 million voters didn't show up. That's not an insignificant amount.

I think what happened is once again, the right were motivated and the left was not. A big reason the left is not motivated is because Democrats keep trying to appeal to the center-right and promising "nothing will change" when it's become increasingly obvious that people want change.

1. The overton window isn't a real thing.
2. It's not 1932 anymore. We're hyper polarized. fdr was also a capitalist who loved big business and preserved it whenever possible, who sacrificed civil rights and screwed over minorities to keep the Dixiecrats in the coalition. This is not replicable to 2024

What a coincidence that if only they had done the exact thing you said you wanted before the election they would've easily cinched it.

People keep telling us what they voted for and why. Maybe we shouldn't ignore them?

Not saying they would've cinched it, but it definitely couldn't have hurt as opposed what actually happened.

The base isn't large enough to win elections. If you want to go into every election planning to barely skirt by on a single viable path that is already closed or will barely win you maybe one more election if at all, go ahead.

You're hoping for voters that may never show up instead of the ones that always do without fail regardless of how shitty the choices or political climate is.

People keep telling us they voted because of inflation and "the dems aren't left enough" is one of the fringest of the fringe opinions

If both parties are going to do conservatism and we're expected to support it, what's the point of politics at that point?

OK, guess we just keep moving toward the center then, maybe it'll work after the 4th try, I guess.

Don't worry the people complaining about expensive burgers are going to be baffled when they're even more expensive next year

The republicans have had it for -decades-. And sure, they're lying, but it works.

Do they have effective messaging, or do they have a media committed to amplifying their messages?

Not to minimize the rest of your response, but this is how realigning elections work. You chase voters wherever you're forced to be.

If Dems have to Blue Dog their way out of this, so be it.

Nope, that's not how I view things. I'm not going to be a fascist because voters want fascism. If you're not in this to protect people, to improve things, why are you in it? Just to wield power, agnostic towards what that power does? I think we have too many people in politics like that already and that's how we got here. We cannot do anything worth doing with this view.

I also think this was an election largely determined by inflation and the anxieties that created. I don't see how tacking right on that would have helped. The campaign barely mentioned LGBT issues. They went far right on immigration, literally their only argument being that they would have signed the right-wing bill and Trump blocked it. On economics, I don't see how doing less would have helped energize the base or kept Latino men from switching to Trump.