I don't disagree and I think that he could have been way more specific. On that note, I think a certain sentiment is being conveyed that is not so vague. There are certainly grey areas, but I feel like what's being conveyed is speaking out about the more obvious incapacitated people.
I'll use a male instead of a female for a scenario. If I go to a house party and I see that there a very incapacitated young man (barely awake, can't walk, etc.) being led to a bedroom by a group of girls, I would certainly ask what's going on. Probably wouldn't be accusatory and would ask something like, "Hey, are y'all taking him to a safe bedroom go lay down since he's passed out?"
All in all, I think that some users are being purposely coy and trying to think of very specific scenarios that make what's being conveyed (in general) mucky. Not saying those scenarios don't happen, they do and we should talk about them, but let's not dismiss the general message of "yo, that dude can't even stand, I should make sure he's going to be alright."
Darkman124 posted...
some people got expelled from university for putting the garbage in the wrong place
WTF?
the problem is university tribunals were expelling male students accused of rape with the evidence being 'female had consumed alcohol'
not 'female was incapacitated by alcohol'. the situation was so obviously not rape that the title IX director had to weigh in and call them out for applying a discriminatory standard and directly stated he would have ruled differently from the tribunals had he been the one running the case.
that's how it dovetails into your analogy and i think it is why people are harping so much on the importance of being specific ---
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