Current Events > Ex Vice-President Joe Biden calls men who don't stop sexual assaults 'cowards'

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Former Vice President Joe Biden has strong words for men who don't help end sexual assault.

As part of his anti-sexual-assault campaign, "It's on Us," Biden recently released a text messaged-themed PSA tackling rape culture, and in a recent interview with Teen Vogue, he had frank words for bystanders who don't intervene on behalf of potential sexual assault victims.

"Bystanders who see something happen, in my view, if they don't holler, scream, pick up the phone and call and intervene, they are complicitous in the commission of a crime. They are complicitous. Look, if you see a brother taking a drunk freshman co-ed up the stairs to his room and you do nothing, you're a coward. You are a coward. You have an obligation to step up. You know that she's not able to give consent. And so, I went on campuses, we put together this program, and more than 400,000 people have signed the pledge to intervene. That's how you change attitudes — get a critical mass of people beginning to speak out so that the attacker or the bystander is the pariah, not the woman being assaulted, whether she's drunk or sober."


In the interview, Biden also helped define affirmative consent. While most people have heard the phrase "No means no," states like California have moved to an affirmative consent model of "yes means yes."

"If a young woman is drunk, she cannot consent," he said. "She cannot consent, and it's rape. It's rape. It's rape. It's rape. I wanted them to see because it's clear what the subtext is. It's not OK. It's not OK unless she can affirmatively consent."

Biden also spoke to Teen Vogue about rape culture, which he called a "fundamentally cultural problem."

"There are a lot of young men who come up because of that culture that they were raised in and think they have to be tough guys," he said. "They think, if you go to kiss her and she doesn't want to kiss you, pull her tight and kiss her anyway."

Biden has made a career of trying to stop sexual assault. Aside from dedicating his private life as a citizen to bring men to the table on the issue, he also drafted the Violence Against Women Act in 1994 while a U.S. senator.

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I wonder if he considers sex with drunk men to be rape.
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Is this Angry Joe?

Not my job to run around instilling vigilante justice.
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He's not wrong. The only people I see protest this are the type of people that have a complex and need to be perceived as tough. Any secure man would step in.
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jenningsnash313 posted...

He's not wrong. The only people I say protest this are the type of people that have a complex and need to be perceived as tough. Any secure man would step in.

For fucking real. Biden is absolutely correct.
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jayj350 posted...

Is this Angry Joe?

No his presidential pitch of nuking Canada was rejected
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-Gavirulax- posted...

He's not wrong.

jenningsnash313 posted...

He's not wrong. The only people I say protest this are the type of people that have a complex and need to be perceived as tough. Any secure man would step in.

You do realize millions of people have sex while drunk every day?

Millions go out drinking with the intention to have sex.

Are you saying they are all rapists?
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Biden also spoke to Teen Vogue about rape culture, which he called a "fundamentally cultural problem."

lol. Rape culture is not a thing here.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

-Gavirulax- posted...

He's not wrong.

jenningsnash313 posted...

He's not wrong. The only people I say protest this are the type of people that have a complex and need to be perceived as tough. Any secure man would step in.

You do realize millions of people have sex while drunk every day?

Millions go out drinking with the intention to have sex.

Are you saying they are all rapists?

When my wife goes out with her girlfriends on occasion and drinks, typically the first thing she wants to so when she gets home is bang.

I don't buy the "if she's drunk, it's always rape" thinking. Sometimes, people just want to get drunk and have sex.
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Esrac posted...

When my wife goes out with her girlfriends on occasion and drinks, typically the first thing she wants to so when she gets home is bang. I don't buy the "if she's drunk, it's always rape" thinking. Sometimes, people just want to get drunk and have sex.

Your girlfriend sounds gross.
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Wow Biden is a piece of shit.

Why does he single out the men? Why aren't the women cowards too for not stepping in? He specifically singles out men bystanders. Women are empowered now, Joe. If you are going to compel a bystander to do something, you need to apply your moral grandstanding equally across the board.
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HippopotamusRex posted...

Wow Biden is a piece of shit.

Why does he single out the men? Why aren't the women cowards too for not stepping in? He specifically singles out men bystanders. Women are empowered now, Joe. If you are going to compel a bystander to do something, you need to apply your moral grandstanding equally across the board.

If a guy doesn't respect a woman enough to take to take advantage of her, do you think he is likely to respond to another women who is trying to get in the way of what he wants?

I think you know that men respect other men more than they respect women, in general. Hence the whole "I have a boyfriend" defense to get away from guys. Don't play dumb, you know this is the case, and why he is speaking to men specifically about this.

UnfairRepresent posted...

You do realize millions of people have sex while drunk every day?

Millions go out drinking with the intention to have sex.

Are you saying they are all rapists?

I interpret as if the girl is pretty much unconscious and the guy is clearly taking advantage of her.

but its a slippery slope when you got people going vigilante trying to figure out if a girl is too drunk for sex.
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If there's one person I'd trust to physically stop somebody from being sexually assaulted, it's Joe Biden.
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I agree with Joe Biden.
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Fam_Fam posted...

HippopotamusRex posted...

Wow Biden is a piece of shit.

Why does he single out the men? Why aren't the women cowards too for not stepping in? He specifically singles out men bystanders. Women are empowered now, Joe. If you are going to compel a bystander to do something, you need to apply your moral grandstanding equally across the board.

If a guy doesn't respect a woman enough to take to take advantage of her, do you think he is likely to respond to another women who is trying to get in the way of what he wants?

I think you know that men respect other men more than they respect women, in general. Hence the whole "I have a boyfriend" defense to get away from guys. Don't play dumb, you know this is the case, and why he is speaking to men specifically about this.

I have no idea what 'I have a boyfriend' means in terms of a respect gap between men and women in your example. Are men hitting on other men as to where you can draw this comparison? Last I checked these men are exclusively hitting on women, and that's because women don't approach men so the species dies if men don't initiate. If there's any respect gap, it's because of apologists like in the above example are unfairly placing the burden of responsibility on some, and giving others a free pass. And nobody respects people like that.
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HippopotamusRex posted...

I have no idea what 'I have a boyfriend' means in terms of a respect gap between men and women in your example.

A guy won't take no for an answer from a girl up until she drops the boyfriend card, then and only then he steps off.

So if it's a single girl, she's just playing hard to get, but if there's another guy in the picture it becomes an honor thing or whatever.

That's what they mean.
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jenningsnash313 posted...

He's not wrong. The only people I see protest this are the type of people that have a complex and need to be perceived as tough. Any secure man would step in.

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...human beings pair bond. As in a relationship has two people. If a relationship is being initiated, and the response is "I'm already pair bonded" that answers the inquiry to the initiation. Why is this so hard to understand?

This indoctrination and idiots like Biden pandering to it is really sad. You don't see women doing this and men using "I have a girlfriend" because women. don't. initiate. Call it 'privilege' where they can just sit back and let someone else do that hard work, you flat out won't see an example of this pair bond response on the other side because they essentially have it so easy it doesn't exist as a risk for them because they don't initiate.
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He's not wrong although I don't agree with the drunk sex part

I mean if you're in a party full of horny college students and get drunk anyway, you're asking to be picked up.

I'm not saying it's right to take advantage but you knew the risks and yet you got drunk, that gives you no right to cry rape imo
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HippopotamusRex posted...

...human beings pair bond. As in a relationship has two people. If a relationship is being initiated, and the response is "I'm already pair bonded" that answers the inquiry to the initiation. Why is this so hard to understand?

Because women have to make up a boyfriend as literally the only way to get a thirsty dude to back off.

Why is this so hard to understand?
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awesome999 posted...

He's not wrong although I don't agree with the drunk sex part

I mean if you're in a party full of horny college students and get drunk anyway, you're asking to be picked up.

I'm not saying it's right to take advantage but you knew the risks and yet you got drunk, that gives you no right to cry rape imo

yea, it is too much to ask that men don't rape girls when they're drunk. I mean, they shouldn't drink period if they don't want to get raped.
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awesome999 posted...

He's not wrong although I don't agree with the drunk sex part

I mean if you're in a party full of horny college students and get drunk anyway, you're asking to be picked up.

I'm not saying it's right to take advantage but you knew the risks and yet you got drunk, that gives you no right to cry rape imo

Hey, dont go to a party to have fun. If you get raped it's your fault!

This is how the college swimmer and other cases like this get off so easily. "Well your honor, she drank around my client, he couldn't control himself!"
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

awesome999 posted...

He's not wrong although I don't agree with the drunk sex part

I mean if you're in a party full of horny college students and get drunk anyway, you're asking to be picked up.

I'm not saying it's right to take advantage but you knew the risks and yet you got drunk, that gives you no right to cry rape imo

yea, it is too much to ask that men don't rape girls when they're drunk. I mean, they shouldn't drink period if they don't want to get raped.

I guess it's one of those things we're gonna have to disagree on. I mean I would never bang someone who's drunk but even after realising that there are bad people in the world who will take advantage first chance they get, you leave yourself vulnerable, then i don't know what to tell you other than "you don't get to cry rape"
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awesome999 posted...

I guess it's one of those things we're gonna have to disagree on. I mean I would never bang someone who's drunk but even after realising that there are bad people in the world who will take advantage first chance they get, you leave yourself vulnerable, then i don't know what to tell you other than "you don't get to cry rape"

Yes, we should all just live in fear instead of expecting men to control themselves.
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Joe Biden can go fuck off. He's not the vice president anymore. What, he wants men to be vigilantes now? Fuck that shit. Every time I turn on the radio, watch a Youtube video involving feminists, or watch a Star Wars movie, there's a woman telling me she don't need no man.

Go get Beyonce to fight Biden's battles. I'm already doing my part by not raping anyone.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Joe Biden can go fuck off. He's not the vice president anymore. What, he wants men to be vigilantes now? Fuck that shit. Every time I turn on the radio, watch a Youtube video involving feminists, or watch a Star Wars movie, there's a woman telling me she don't need no man.

Go get Beyonce to fight Biden's battles. I'm already doing my part by not raping anyone.

Yes, expecting men to be decent people and do the right thing. How dare he.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Joe Biden can go fuck off. He's not the vice president anymore. What, he wants men to be vigilantes now? Fuck that shit. Every time I turn on the radio, watch a Youtube video involving feminists, or watch a Star Wars movie, there's a woman telling me she don't need no man.

Go get Beyonce to fight Biden's battles. I'm already doing my part by not raping anyone.

Imagine being this bitter. How would you feel if your sister or mother got raped despite there being someone around who could have stopped it? but turns out they purposely didn't because he was feeling spurned by feminism promoting female independence.

How heartless. I mean, I'm a feminist, but I'd certainly do whatever I could to stop a guy from getting raped too. Any person that would stand by and do nothing has some sort of adjustment issue.
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He's absolutely correct. If you have time to pull your phone out and record a fight or something going down then you have time to call the police or help someway.
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awesome999 posted...

I guess it's one of those things we're gonna have to disagree on. I mean I would never bang someone who's drunk but even after realising that there are bad people in the world who will take advantage first chance they get, you leave yourself vulnerable, then i don't know what to tell you other than "you don't get to cry rape"

if you get raped then, yes, you quite literally get to call rape

bad things happening and bad people existing doesn't excuse them, nor does it it create an expectation of defense that people should be expected to follow, those are problems that you address and work to diminish rather than let fester

allowing those people to go unpunished is what tips further people into believing they can do it to strictly their benefit and no repercussion, and that's the thought process that allows them to abandon considering the humanity of the person they are hurting, strictly teaching defense and safety, though beneficial, doesn't attack the root issue
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Joe Biden can go fuck off. He's not the vice president anymore. What, he wants men to be vigilantes now? Fuck that shit. Every time I turn on the radio, watch a Youtube video involving feminists, or watch a Star Wars movie, there's a woman telling me she don't need no man.

Go get Beyonce to fight Biden's battles. I'm already doing my part by not raping anyone.

Best post in the thread.
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"bitter bachelor backs feminism by not raping women
still not being asked out though? women, do your part!"
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jborgan posted...

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Joe Biden can go fuck off. He's not the vice president anymore. What, he wants men to be vigilantes now? Fuck that shit. Every time I turn on the radio, watch a Youtube video involving feminists, or watch a Star Wars movie, there's a woman telling me she don't need no man.

Go get Beyonce to fight Biden's battles. I'm already doing my part by not raping anyone.

Yes, expecting men to be decent people and do the right thing. How dare he.

Did I not already say that I don't rape? If you and he want to play policeman, be my guest. I'm not going to go around inspecting what's in everybody's drink and who they are hooking up with. And what is this "right thing" that you are talking about? I'm an atheist. There is no book of right things that we are obligated to follow.
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Drunk sex is not rape

Biden is a criminal.

Asherlee10 posted...

donkeyjack posted...

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Joe Biden can go fuck off. He's not the vice president anymore. What, he wants men to be vigilantes now? Fuck that shit. Every time I turn on the radio, watch a Youtube video involving feminists, or watch a Star Wars movie, there's a woman telling me she don't need no man.

Go get Beyonce to fight Biden's battles. I'm already doing my part by not raping anyone.

Best post in the thread.

That was the dumbest post in the thread.

Sorry, that he is not Simps like the rest of you men in thread but he is right. Get those feminist to prevent rape cases not the man who isn't doing this.
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k darkfire posted...

Drunk sex is not rape

Biden is a criminal.

Uhhhhh, another 5 star post.
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Did I not already say that I don't rape?

Congratulations on doing the absolute minimum of what is expected of you. You deserve a medal for not raping any women.

I'm not going to go around inspecting what's in everybody's drink and who they are hooking up with. And what is this "right thing" that you are talking about?

Nobody expects you to play detective everywhere you go. You aren't expected to do anything. What Biden, and any other decent person hopes that you do, is if you see any sketchy behavior involving a woman (or man), make sure they're okay. If you're worried about getting too involved, you can make a phone call involving three numbers. I really don't think that's so difficult.

I'm an atheist. There is no book of right things that we are obligated to follow.

What is this stupid shit? Don't make atheists look bad by spouting this nonsense. You are obligated to be a decent person. Everyone is.
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The guy who makes every Woman he's around uncomfortable lectures the world on "rape culture". Kek
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Don't bother with Donkey. He's an awful person and a pervert. He has no respect for women because they don't want him.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

I'm not going to go around inspecting what's in everybody's drink and who they are hooking up with. And what is this "right thing" that you are talking about? I'm an atheist. There is no book of right things that we are obligated to follow.

this cartoonish play of active investigation is a misrepresentation of the actual argument of happening to "see something, say something"

you haven't been culled to participate in some anti-rape force, your humanity has been called on to not be so callous that you think preemptively defending fellow humans from being sexually violated is a job that should be relegated to and executed by officials only, so that people don't have to live that experience and merely hope justice follows afterward
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Asherlee10 posted...

donkeyjack posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

donkeyjack posted...

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Joe Biden can go fuck off. He's not the vice president anymore. What, he wants men to be vigilantes now? Fuck that shit. Every time I turn on the radio, watch a Youtube video involving feminists, or watch a Star Wars movie, there's a woman telling me she don't need no man.

Go get Beyonce to fight Biden's battles. I'm already doing my part by not raping anyone.

Best post in the thread.

That was the dumbest post in the thread.

Sorry, that he is not Simps like the rest of you men in thread but he is right. Get those feminist to prevent rape cases not the man who isn't doing this.

What the hell is a "Simp?"

Also, Biden is asking people to be decent humans. He's not asking someone to be some crazy vigilante. If you see someone (regardless of sex) damn-near passed out from alcohol, but looks like someone else (or even a group) may involve that person in sexual acts (without consent), then say something. Don't be a pussy and just be a bystander.

Grow the fuck up.

I am not a disposable man. Let these all jackasses stand in front of a gun to save a female who don't give a flying fuck about you. This is a simp.
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Ah, Donkeyjack, I see your and ex buddies are on opposite side but she is right about you though. Exposed!!!!!

I actually agree with Biden. Any dude who lets that to any woman might as well be locked up and put in the chamber.
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Vyrulisse posted...

The guy who makes every Woman he's around uncomfortable lectures the world on "rape culture". Kek

Being uncomfortable around someone = rape culture?

So Kanye West is like a global rape culture spreader?
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Asherlee10 posted...

k darkfire posted...

Drunk sex is not rape

Biden is a criminal.

He certainly should have specified a level of drunkenness. Don't be coy. We all know what is being conveyed and that is when someone has drank so much they cannot properly consent. We've all seen people that drunk.

yeah but let some people here tell it, if a drunk horny girl jumps on your d these days and you fuck her then you raped her

then again it is not something i've ever really worried about. i've never had a chick regret fucking me that bad that she said i raped her and i don't plan on it
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

The guy who makes every Woman he's around uncomfortable lectures the world on "rape culture". Kek

Being uncomfortable around someone = rape culture?

So Kanye West is like a global rape culture spreader?

these questions don't follow very logically
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