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Topic	Finally caving and getting a COVID booster today
adjl 06/03/22 5:05:40 PM #14:	Count_Drachma posted... I looked at the overwhelming number of results, all of which pointed to Janssen having a far lower impact -- and I thought you even acknowledged that the time, then justified it by suggesting it meant the Janssen did less good. The overwhelming results now (that is, based on a year and a half of data, including the entirety of what pertains to the now-dominant strain) indicate that it's considerably less effective than alternatives. I don't have to infer anything about Janssen doing less good. That's been exhaustively measured. Count_Drachma posted... AZ was ALREADY noted as having those issues abroad and the two were being produced in the same facility when Janssen started getting going. Considering you had something with a known health impact being produced in the same, it wasn't much of a leap. It's absolutely a leap. For there to be any chance that the cross-contamination was to blame, all of the observed blood clots would have to be from the contaminated lots. These things have been meticulously tracked, with correlations between lot numbers and side effects being one of the biggest things people look for. If that had been the case, those tracking side effects would have noticed that correlation and announced that as the most likely cause before the blood clot issue were even reported in the first place. You had zero reason to jump to the conclusion you did, as I've explained to you on multiple occasions. Count_Drachma posted... but laughably suggested it was a non-partisan move when it clearly benefited one side and hurt the other Quite the contrary: Releasing the vaccine before the election would have been a partisan move, because that would have specifically benefited Trump (whose bungling of the Covid response was a major factor in his defeat). By releasing it afterwards, they didn't benefit anyone in particular because the election was over (or if anyone did benefit, it would be the yet-undecided victor of the election, and that variability means it was a non-partisan benefit). Count_Drachma posted... Bear in mind Pfizer scored massive points with the Biden administration The Biden administration has little to no influence over other countries' drug regulation agencies, and other countries' drug regulation agencies have also been finding that Janssen is considerably less effective than mRNA options. Pfizer's also not the only one the FDA is recommending, so... Count_Drachma posted... If I do another booster down the road, I'm definitely not trying a mRNA one. Again, personal experience is pretty useless when it comes to analyzing risks. Especially if this is only your second shot (I can't say I remember if you ever had one beyond the first J&J), since as variable as they are, the most consistent thing about Covid vaccine side effects has been that the general malaise is usually quite a bit worse for subsequent shots than the first one. There's very little reason to believe that the choice of an mRNA option is the reason for your current state, rather than other factors (including plain dumb luck). But yes, I do recommend getting it on a Friday afternoon/Saturday morning, unless you want the sick day. I've made a point of scheduling all my doses like that. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:965521619] in Finally ca... [t:80042526]...</cite> <quote>Count_Drachma posted... </cite> <quote>I looked at the overwhelming number of results, all of which pointed to Janssen having a far lower impact -- and I thought you even acknowledged that the time, then justified it by suggesting it meant the Janssen did less good.</quote> The overwhelming results now (that is, based on a year and a half of data, including the entirety of what pertains to the now-dominant strain) indicate that it's considerably less effective than alternatives. I don't have to infer anything about Janssen doing less good. That's been exhaustively measured. Count_Drachma posted... </cite> <quote>AZ was ALREADY noted as having those issues abroad and the two were being produced in the same facility when Janssen started getting going. Considering you had something with a known health impact being produced in the same, it wasn't much of a leap.</quote> It's absolutely a leap. For there to be any chance that the cross-contamination was to blame, all of the observed blood clots would have to be from the contaminated lots. These things have been meticulously tracked, with correlations between lot numbers and side effects being one of the biggest things people look for. If that had been the case, those tracking side effects would have noticed that correlation and announced that as the most likely cause before the blood clot issue were even reported in the first place. You had zero reason to jump to the conclusion you did, as I've explained to you on multiple occasions. Count_Drachma posted... </cite> <quote>but laughably suggested it was a non-partisan move when it clearly benefited one side and hurt the other</quote> Quite the contrary: Releasing the vaccine before the election would have been a partisan move, because that would have specifically benefited Trump (whose bungling of the Covid response was a major factor in his defeat). By releasing it afterwards, they didn't benefit anyone in particular because the election was over (or if anyone did benefit, it would be the yet-undecided victor of the election, and that variability means it was a non-partisan benefit). Count_Drachma posted... </cite> <quote>Bear in mind Pfizer scored massive points with the Biden administration</quote> The Biden administration has little to no influence over other countries' drug regulation agencies, and other countries' drug regulation agencies have also been finding that Janssen is considerably less effective than mRNA options. Pfizer's also not the only one the FDA is recommending, so... Count_Drachma posted... </cite> <quote>If I do another booster down the road, I'm definitely not trying a mRNA one.</quote> Again, personal experience is pretty useless when it comes to analyzing risks. Especially if this is only your second shot (I can't say I remember if you ever had one beyond the first J&J), since as variable as they are, the most consistent thing about Covid vaccine side effects has been that the general malaise is usually quite a bit worse for subsequent shots than the first one. There's very little reason to believe that the choice of an mRNA option is the reason for your current state, rather than other factors (including plain dumb luck). But yes, I do recommend getting it on a Friday afternoon/Saturday morning, unless you want the sick day. I've made a point of scheduling all my doses like that. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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