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Jen0125 posted...

Adjl I'm not reading it. I never pegged you as one of the self important but I'm glad you showed your true colors finally after all these years

My "true colours" of caring about the semantic content of an argument instead of resorting to ad hominem attacks? I don't think I've ever particularly kept those hidden.

I'll say it again: Pro-life men do indeed have a less valid opinion than pro-life women. Pro-choice men, however, are on pretty equal footing with pro-choice women because the primary basis for that position doesn't rely on personal experience. That's not an effort to diminish the value of women and their voices, it's the simple reality of the situation and the logic involved. If you disagree, feel free to answer the question I just asked about how not being able to get pregnant makes it any more difficult for somebody to arrive at the opinion that nobody should be forced to carry a pregnancy, because explaining that logic is the only possible basis for changing my understanding of the situation.

Far-Queue posted...

So we need to account for the biases inherent in our flawed system. We need to lift women and other marginalized groups up so that their voices can be heard. Loud, and crystal-f***ing-clear.

Accounting for those biases, however, means pointing them out specifically, not in such broad terms as "everyone in this group has a less valid opinion." Telling somebody that their biases prevent them from understanding the situation without telling them what those biases are or why they're interfering accomplishes nothing (if not less, by fostering resentment and animosity).

People with valid opinions should make those opinions heard whenever possible and relevant. That doesn't mean steamrolling conversations and not letting anyone else express themselves (which men do indeed do pretty often), but if somebody's doing that, call them out for being rude, not for having an invalid opinion (that being outright false). If somebody's expressing an invalid opinion, challenge it by pointing out specifically why it's invalid, not by trying to tell them they shouldn't have a platform for some seemingly-unrelated reason.

DirtBasedSoap posted...

Ive never understood why multiple posts in a row is seen as bad. Its just a posting style

It generally conveys the implication that you're in a rush to make each of the posts and hit the "post" button so quickly that you forgot to include something else. Editing is also generally just a tidier way to append afterthoughts to a post, since it makes sure the information is all in one place instead of potentially being interrupted.